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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:†††Lyotard Pedals posted by: Mike Patterson on 10/8/2003 at 12:40:13 AM
Just looking for a cap for the end of the pedal axle on a pair (well, on one of a pair) of Lyotard pedals. All the other pedals I have that could donate a cap seem to have internal threads as opposed to the external threads on the Lyotards. Anyone got a spare cap to trade or sell?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Lyotard Pedals posted by JONathan on 10/8/2003 at 4:22:51 AM
Hey, that is a good excuse for me to check my big box of pedals around back. I think I know what you are looking for. I'll let you know what surfaces.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Lyotard Pedals posted by Mike Patterson on 10/9/2003 at 1:38:32 AM
Yeah, if your the right JONathan I've got a Peugeot tailight lense to trade.....Mike

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Lyotard Pedals posted by JONathan on 10/9/2003 at 7:08:31 AM
Mike, I haven't looked yet. Seems I'm sidetracked too easily, but I'll get back.
Thanks, JONathan

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Quebec Peugeots posted by: Rob on 10/7/2003 at 5:39:35 PM
I wanted to pick up on Tom's mention of Peugeot in the Mikado post below...Tom mentioned that Peugeot was manufactured by ProCycle between 1978 and 2001, and I understand from other posts, and maybe other sources, that these Peugeots were for the NA market. First, I assume there would have been a transistion period...when would the last French Peugeot likely have been sold in NA...a year or to after, or would it have been a quick transition??...

I have an early 80's Peugeot UO-14 (Shimano Light Action der.; Rigida alloy rims; Shimano brakes,)which I've only used a few times, and never on a long ride...I don't think I've given it a fair test yet, but I had assumed it was some kind of second class Peugeot. I was discussing this bike recently with a friend, who is quite knowledgable about old road bikes...he said that the Quebec Peugeots were actually better built than many of the bike boom French Peugeots...that might not be too surprising as the demand was so great, that, I guess, lots of lower quality stuff was slipping through....hopefully with superficial issues, but...I recently pulled part a front hub on an old French road wheel...the bearing was slightly rough...on one of the cones, there was scoring across the bearing track, but the scoring was across the whole cone in a consistent manner, even where there couldn't have been any bearing action...I could only conclude the cone was like that at the time of assembly...terrific workmanship!!!

Does anyone want to comment on the newer Peugeots? And, how about the UO-14...where was it in the Peugeot line up?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Quebec Peugeots posted by T-Mar on 10/7/2003 at 8:24:41 PM
To clarify things for our USA brethen, Pro Cycle started manufacturing for the Canadian market in 1978. Exporting of Canadian made Peugeots to the USA did not commence until 1983. As Rob points out, there would have been a phase-in period. Most likely, Canadian manufacture started with the simpler,low cost, high volume sports models and phased into the the progressively more complex and lower volume bikes.

While the Canadian made Peugeots are generally considered superior, much of that has to do with perception and the technology used. The Pro Cycle manufacturing facility still used lug construction while the French models used internally brazed construction that appeared lugless. In those days, the visible lack of lugs was equated to a cheap bicycle. From what I've researched, the Canadian Peugeots didn't change the brazing technology until 1988. I think the other big factor in the favour of the Canadian Peugeots was the paint. Pro Cycle appears to have had a state of the art paint shop. The finsih on their other lines (i.e Velosport) was also very nice.

Based on the limited description, your UO-14 would appear to be 1986-1988 vintage, probably an intermediate sports model.

   1980s Peugeots posted by John E on 10/8/2003 at 2:25:51 AM
I can attest from personal experience that the traditional 1970s externally lugged UO-8 frame is significantly lighter and more resilient than its internally lugged Carbolite replacement of the early 1980s.

   RE:1980s Peugeots posted by lamont on 10/8/2003 at 4:49:20 PM
I have a made in Canada peugeot that is a U0-5. It is called a club Huret front and rear derailleurs, Simplex stem mounted shifters, peugeot badged stem and crank (appear to be Sugino). Great rilding bike, have toured Nova Scotia and Alberta on it. Yesterday saw a fellow U0-5 that is the exact copy down to the great blue paint job. It is carbolite tubes but lugged. Of course I have the U0-8 and 18's and an internal braze carbolite.

MISC:†††Mikado Sportster posted by: Joe on 10/7/2003 at 10:08:41 AM
I came opon a Mikado Sportster this weekend at a local flea market. I grabbed it I guess because it's a new name to me. It looks to be mid 70's, 25" lugged frame, made in Taiwan, with cottered cranks, 27"x 1 1/8" tires on steel Araya wheels, Shimano 333 quick release hubs front and rear, and Shimano derailleurs. I can find no sign of any serial numbers on this bike. I looked on the dropouts, seat tube, headtube, and bottom bracket. There is also no sort of tubing decal or description what so ever, I'm assuming it's regular steel tubing. The handlebars are narrow steel, with a Raleigh type of stem and clamp, short with almost no reach or drop. The bike is very clean and intact, otherwise I would have left it (looks to be a low end model by equipment). It has a small, brass looking, three dimensional headbadge and is a medium blue metalic with Gold lettering. Other than some dry rotted tires, a few usual nicks and scratches and some unraveled handlebar tape, the bike is ready to ride. It has a bike shop sticker on it from somewhere in Conneticut, almost 4 hours from where I found it. So that at least tells me it was probably some sort of shop grade bike in it's day.
Has anyone here had any experience with this make? Older lightweights are a rare sight in this area, let alone a Mikado. Quality looks to be on par with the older Nishiki bikes, the frame geometry is quite a bit different from most others as well, the seat tube and headtube are laid back on a far greater angle than any of my other bikes, making this a very well tracking bike on the road. I was considering using some of my spare parts to make a few upgrades to this bike, like a set of alloy wheels, cotterless cranks and some better gear changing equipment, along with an alloy stem and bars? Of coarse I don't really need another decked out road bike as far as vintage equipment goes, but I do have just about everything here already, from upgrades done to higher end bikes over the years in favor of even better equipment. Of coarse, leaving it alone and adding a set of fenders would make a good rainy day beater.
Anyone have any input on this?

   RE:MISC:†††Mikado Sportster posted by Gralyn on 10/7/2003 at 12:00:23 PM
I have a Mikado. I believe they are from Canada. Mine seems fairly low-end. I got it back when I was grabbing up any old lightweight I saw. It was on $5. I haven't done anything with it, though. It needs a cleaning and a tune-up. I mainly go it - just because I had never heard of Mikado...and I didn't have one.

   RE:MISC:†††Mikado Sportster posted by T-Mar on 10/7/2003 at 1:06:00 PM
Mikado has been been around since at least the 1970s. The early models were made in Taiwan. Since 1996, Pro-Cycle has been manufacturing Mikado in Canada. This is the same company that has manufactrured CCM since 1983 and manufactured Peugeot from 1978-2001.

An old comparison test test I have from the late 1970s rates tham comparable to the equivalent Azuki, Nishiki and Soma models. Of course, this could vary somewhat depending on the model, but it's probably a good, general indicator.

   RE:MISC:†††Mikado Sportster posted by Rob on 10/7/2003 at 5:28:37 PM
I have a Mikado that I picked up during this years spring clean-up week (can't remember the model name)...I haven't got to working on it yet...but it's a strange looking creature...it looks like a cross between a road bike and an MTB...small rims...26"?...a triple crank which actually looks pretty good...drop bars, road bike brake levers...I can't quite remember the other end...they might be cantilever...the fork as I recall is a typical road bike fork....I'll have to drag it out of the pile and take a closer look...

   RE:MISC:†††Mikado Sportster posted by Joe on 10/8/2003 at 7:49:57 AM
I spent a few hours on the Mikado last night, I swapped the steel bars and stem for a 110 reach alloy stem and a set of alloy bars, and rewrapped the tape. I temporarily swapped the wheels for a nicer nutted set, the bearing cones and axles needed replacement, and I already had a good set of nutted axel wheels ready.

I put a couple of pics up at http://bikepics.s5.com/

The bike looks good overall, and rides nice too. I was amazed at how well it rode for a lower end bike. What really surprised me is that it weighs less than my Raleigh Grand Prix or Super Grand Prix. It's probably 5 pounds lighter than the Grand Prix. It does have a very different feel to it than any of my other bikes, it handles and turns great. I'm sure alot of this is because of the longer wheel base.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††3 French bikes posted by: jon c on 10/7/2003 at 3:30:48 AM
I have 3 French bikes to get rid of, one 27" "Elvish" mixte type frame,no seat. 2 Roger Rivierre bikes, 1 mixte type and one regular 10 speed type bike, all 3 early 70's,foil
decals,fair shape. mafac,simplex,hutchinson tyres,
I live in the Seattle-Tacoma,Washington area,If someone in the pacific northwest area is interested and will pick them up,
they are yours! rainy season has started and they need a home. contact Jon C. held208@aol.com

MISC:†††GARAGE SALE PRIZE...... posted by: Fred A on 10/6/2003 at 11:56:28 PM
I was heading home Saturday morning from checking out the local garage sales. All kids cheapo bikes. Slim pickings lately, so I figured I'd head home. After taking a different route, I saw another sign and wasn't even going to bother but figured what the heck. Good thing I did! There on the front lawn was a NISHIKI SPORT road bike. Seafoam green and white with a big $20 sign on it. I figured it must be wreck because it was pretty dirty even from a distance, the white handlebar tape looking brown. As I got out of the car and got closer, I noticed it was a 25'' frame (my size!) and had the plastic bag attached with the ownwer's manual in it. 12 speed. Alloy ARAYA rims with QR on both wheels. Shimano SIS derailleurs, etc. etc. No damage. A few MINOR chips of paint. Heck, the wheels were even trued! Seat was even in perfect condition. I snapped it up like Homer Simpson at a donut shop.

When I got home & started to clean it up, the wax took the haze of dirt right off and the paint gleamed. Shifted and braked perfectly and the Sugino crankset spun effortlessly. I decided to open the attached plastic bag and to my surprise also found the original bill of sale!! Turns out it was bought here on Long Island new in 1992 for $220.

Well, from now on, I'll keep looking just a little longer. Winter is on its way and the sales will be coming to an end before you know it. Hopefully there's another little treasure out ther next Saturday morning!

How did any of you make out over the weekend?

Fred A

   Nishiki posted by John E on 10/7/2003 at 2:25:04 AM
This has certainly been the month for Nishikis! I did respect the company; when the seat tube lug broke off the BB shell after 20 years and about 40K miles, they were willing to give me a $150 (the new purchase price of my Semi-Pro/Competition in March 1971) credit toward any new Nishiki of my choice. I did not take them up on the offer, since I had already been given a Peugeot UO-8 by a coworker and had transferred most of the components across. I doubt anyone can afford to give a lifetime warranty on any of today's aluminum or TIG-welded frames.

   RE:MISC:†††GARAGE SALE PRIZE...... posted by Rob on 10/7/2003 at 3:41:53 AM
Always nice to hear about Nishikis...I'm totally sold on them...wonderful bikes whatever brand they were sold under...my current favorite is a Norco (CDN brand), but basically a Nishiki (Kawamura)...I have about a half dozen others...including an International....

   RE:MISC:†††GARAGE SALE PRIZE...... posted by JONathan on 10/7/2003 at 4:20:14 AM
I was doing OK with the Univega "Sportour" on Friday afternoon.
Saturday, there was this 1970 yellow Raleigh "record" at a fundraising event for a good cause, so I got it for $20.
It looks identical to the picture in Retro-Raleigh site. It is in very good condition. I passed on it and made a $5 donation and went about the day's business. I thought about how it was a good cause, so I went back later. It was upside down on the leather saddle with a $20 tag.
The rest is history. What to do with another Raleigh "record"? I have no idea. I sure have a soft spot for the older Raleighs, I guess. Thing is, the tires held air and I rode it around for a short while. Real nice ride.
The gum walls were blistered up pretty bad, but they worked.
One more big church sale this weekend and then it'll be slim pickins for a few months. Just as well, I got enough stuff to do with what I have snagged this summer. Junkers, but they're MY junkers!
Cheers, JONathan

   RE:MISC:†††GARAGE SALE PRIZE...... posted by T-Mar on 10/7/2003 at 1:46:03 PM
Warranites are an interesting issue these days and vary widely from manufacturer to manufacturer and even from day to day, so if you're buying a new bike, check the fine print!

Two big players, Giant & Raleigh have gone to 5 year frame warranties. Some manufacturers, such as Trek and Klein still offer lifetime frame warranties (according to their 2004 catalogues). Specialized recently reverted to a lifetime warranty from 5 years. Other manufacturers, such a Cannondale vary the warranty depending model and/or use. In Cannondale's case it varies from 3 years to lifetime. I saw a really interesting warranty from a Canadian manufacturer, DeVinci. Frames varied form 3-5 years, but paint, decals and suspension pivots were all one year. Hmm, I suspect this will be the trend for all but the biggest manufacturers.

Rob, did you realize that your beloved Norco bicycles have been made in Vietnam for the past several years? This stunned me when I first realized it, but according to the LBS they are happy with the quality of these bicycles. I don't have any first hand experience with them, but things look OK, based on the floor models.

JONathan, I know what you mean. That Super Course I picked up a couple of weeks ago is probably going up for sale. I have no room for it and I could use the profit to be made on the resale. However, I have to borrow a digital camera to get some pictures, as it appears all original (except for maybe the tires) and is really in very nice shape. I'll probably never come across another one like it again.

AGE / VALUE:†††Nishiki Olympic posted by: Gralyn on 10/6/2003 at 4:30:30 PM
I'm well into the Nishiki Olympic. It's been taken apart, and everything cleaned and polished except for the rear cogs and chain. I was trying to determine the manufacturing date. From the stem....looks like 73 (of course, that doesn't exactly make the rest of the bike 73). I'm keeping it all original - as much as possible. Everything cleaned up pretty well. The frame has minimal scratches and chips.

I took pics of it before I got started....for my "before" pics. Now that I have it apart and polished....I thought of taking pics of it all laid out together - dissassembled. ....but then, I had a thought....what if I took pics of the diss-assembled bike....and tried to sell it on e-bay in just that way? It would be interesting. I'll have to think about that one.

But also, so far as determining the date: It has the Randonnier bars, stem with 73 date code. Araya chrome rims with Shimano high flange hubs with QR front and rear. Stem Shimano shifters, 5-speed cluster with the large skip-tooth cogs (equivalent to 34t). (But the 54t large chainring makes up for that!). Very large chrome spoke guard on rear, Large Chrome chain guard on chain ring. Cottered steel cranks, Shimano Eagle rear der., Shimano (I think) Thunder Bird front der. The saddle has that diamond - padded - pattern vinyl on top (like my 72 Datsun 240Z has inside). There's actually still a small sticker under the saddle....something about safety or something....looks original. Dia Compe center pull brakes, Dia Compe levers with safety levers. There's a sticker on the frame - but I can't make it out....but I'm pretty certain the frame is constructed of 1020 tubing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Nishiki Olympic posted by T-Mar on 10/6/2003 at 7:13:43 PM
I have specs for the !973 Nishiki Olymopic. Your components match, except for the hubs which are spec'd as Sunshine. Given the date code on the stem, it's probably a 1973 or 1974 model. I don't think Shimano date coded prior to 1976. I've only seen one pre-1976 item with what MAY have been a date code, and that was a pair of hubs with a "Y" stamped on the barrel. However, there may be date codes on the cranks. Check for markings on the back of the arms. Some people have also reported date codes on the back of Dia-Compe calipers, though I have yet to see one. What's your serial number?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Nishiki Olympic posted by Gralyn on 10/7/2003 at 2:34:24 AM
The serial #: KS241814 (anyway, that's what's on the bottom bracket shell)

   Nishiki serial numbers posted by John E on 10/7/2003 at 5:13:05 PM
That S/N is very consistent with that of my late 1970 / very early 1971 American Eagle Semi-Pro, KS78091, and would indicate that neither the K nor the S refers to either the model or the date. If Kawamura's annual bike boom era production of Nishikis was comparable to Steyr-Daimler-Puch's 100K units per year, then the serial numbers might be simply sequential, i.e., "serial."

AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by: Birddog on 10/6/2003 at 1:44:25 AM
You guys were a wealth of info on the Mondia, now lets test you on a Takara. I already searched the archives and got a little info there. Here's what I have....57 cc seat tube 56 cc top tube S# 77 3 then 4 or 5 digits that I can't read as they are under a sticker. I think the 77 and 3 are year and month. The sticker that usually indicates tubing type says "TAKARA Guaranteed Special tubes forks and stays". Superimposed over that is what appears to be 10-11.
It has Dia Comp center pull brakes, SunTour Power Shifters (down tube), Gran Comp stem (80), Takara Sports handlebars, Kuwahara headset, Sugino Maxy 171 cranks w/52/42 rings , SunTour UGT Luxe R. der, SunTour SC F. der, SunTour GS dropouts, Mikishima straps and cages (the cage has a leather cover to protect your shoes),Wheels are Sunshine hubs and skewers with Araya 27X1 1/4 rims, and tires are IRC Road Lite, maybe even original. This bike is very clean w/ some paint scratches that appear to be mostly from poor storage. The components are in exceptional condition IMO. The color is sort of a burnt orange, or if you're a beer drinker, it might be called "amber ale".

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Dick in FL on 10/6/2003 at 5:37:32 AM
You don't live in central FL by any chance, do you? I reluctantly passed on this identical bike at my local thrift store. Someone else did come along and snap it up for $12.95 These well made 10/12 speeds can't be given away hereabouts. The market wants single-speed Huffys with balloon tires.

   †Takara posted by John E on 10/6/2003 at 3:27:21 PM
Given the leather-covered toe straps, SunTour VGT, and DiaCompe centerpulls (all original equipment on my 1971 American Eagle Semi-Pro / Nishiki Competition), I think your Takara predates 1977. As I mentioned in another thread yesterday, I have never figured out Kawamura's serial numbering, beyond the initial "K" for Kawamura; my late 1970 or early 1971 production frame (purchased new in March 1971) was #KS78091.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Gralyn on 10/6/2003 at 1:13:00 PM
I passed on a Takara also....at the time, they were asking what I thought was too much....if the price had been low enough, I would have bought it....but the price never got all that low. It was so similar in frame and components to so many other bikes I had....I just didn't feel I should spring for it. Eventually, someone bought it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by T-Mar on 10/6/2003 at 1:42:26 PM
With the exception of the crankset, this matches the Takara 860. The model 860 came with the NJX five arm spider, swaged crankset, which was above the Maxy. The tubing is low carbon, hi-tensile steel. 1011 would be the AISI number for the steel, though 1010 is more common.

Assuming the bicycle is a 1977 model, there should be a "51" or "52" stamped on the back of the crankarms. The cover plate of the freewheel, backside of the front derailleur cage and backside of the rear derailleur should be stamped "Rx" or Sx", where is a letter from A to L, representing the month of manufacturer.

Additionally, Takara vintage can be narrowed using the graphics. During the 1977 model year the graphics changed. Later models used a seat tube decal with two gold bands above and below a lower case, italicized "t". Earlier models had a more elaborate seat tube decal consisting of a wider middle band (usually white) flanked by two medium and several smaller bands. A shield or oval emblem appeared in the middle.

Takara bicyles were made to spec for an Oklahoma firm, Takara Bicycle Co. The company survived well into the 80's and possibly beyond. Though not confirmed, the bicycles were probably made by Kawamura, the same company that manufactured Nishiki. Ads showed base and immediate models. Road rests from the period vary in opinion from "average" to "outright bargain", depending on the model, though they had nicer than average paint.

Takara was probably most famous for their "i love it" ads. The early B&W ads featured a georgeous girl with dark, wavy hair. Her t-shirt said "i love it" above three overlapped, bicycle wheels. A red heart with "takara" printed on it was superimposed over the third wheel. By the late 1970s, colur ads and a blonde had replaced the dark haired girl, but the t-shirt remained. IMHO, the dark haired Takara girl was probably the best looking female to ever appear in a bicycle ad. Yes, she's was even better looking than the Crescent girls.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by T-Mar / Tom on 10/6/2003 at 4:28:24 PM
John E., I am not necessarily convinced that the K stands for Kawamura. It may have something to do with the frame model number, as the three samples with K prefixes that I know about are all the double butted frame models. My wife has an all original 1977 Nishiki International (made by Kawamura decals on the stays) with a CG serial number! It has straight gauge tubing, which is what started me thinking along the lines of frame model. Personally, I believe the second letter is a year code, but it appears to be non-sequential and I have little evidence to support his, other than a gut reaction. Maybe if other owners of Nishikis with known model years would post/e-mail the info, we could figure it out.

Suntour VGT derailleurs and Dia-Compe centre-pulls survived well into the late 70's on several models. The March 1979 issue of Bicycling has a 12 bike comparision test and four of them spec the VGT and ten spec the Dia-Compe centre-pull brakes. So it's very possible that the Takara is a 1977 model. However, well know better once we get feedback on the component date codes.

By the way, I have a little more info for you on the high end Nishiki models. I came across a 1978 ad which lists all the models in descending order. Top was the Supberbe (I assume SunTour Superbe components), second was the Comp (not Competition, just Comp), third was the International. Sorry, but there was no info on components, just a model listing. If you want the rest of the line-up , email me.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Birddog on 10/7/2003 at 2:06:04 AM
T-Mar, you nailed it. The seat tube has the lower case italicized "t" with the two gold bands above and below, although they look almost green. "G2" is stamped on the inside of the crank arms, and "mighty competition" is stamped on chainrings. It also has partial chrome on chain stays, seat stays, and forks. I'm pretty sure that it says "KUWAHARA CYCLE CO" on the head set, not the kawamura you guys are mentioniong. My eyes are bad, but I think I'm right on this, but will check again. I didn't notice the date codes you mentioned, but I'll check another time. I guess I scored a mediocre frame with semi decent components, is that about right?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by JONathan on 10/7/2003 at 2:46:05 AM
Kuwahara was sold in Canada as I recall. My brother has a MTB from those guys. Great bike. Been on some long tours.
The company is very respected for off-road and BMX racing. Can't say about the road-bike lines, but they have to be pretty good...very good bikes if anything like my bro's MTB.
The head-set is very interesting, but I can't remember the details of it.
Nice find!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Rob on 10/7/2003 at 3:48:38 AM
Kuwahara was the name behind Apollo road bikes which were a big seller in Canada during the bike boom years, but the name is now long gone...Kuwahara has MTBs and hybrids in their own name now. (Apollo was also sold in Australia and as I understand still is...I assume they are Kuwaharas) I have a few Apollos...one is nice, but not great, a Prestige XL...maybe Tom can fill us in??? Maybe there were some higher end Kuwahara built bikes in that era?? It sounds like Takara may be a Kuwahara...probably other brands in the US, too...The Japanese bike companies were very dynamic through the '70s and '80s...if they were in Canada and Australia...I can't imagine any of them would have avoided the huge US market...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by T-Mar on 10/7/2003 at 12:54:15 PM
Birddog, the G3 crank code would place this mid-80s which is in conflict with the stem. However, Takara was still around in the mid 80's, so it's possible. More likely, the crankset is a later replacement. However, to increase our confidence, check the the derailleurs and freewheel for two letter date codes. By the way, your eyes are probably OK. Kuwahara and Kawamura were two distinct entities. My mistake.

Rob & JONathan, I believe Kuwahara was distributed in the USA also. I vaguely recall some ads and road tests, but I would have to do some research to confirm this.

I assembled a lot of Apollo bicycles in the 1970s. They were our other Japanese brand, after Sekine. I only recall two sports bikes. One with cottered, steel cranks and the other with a Sugino Maxy. The Maxy model used Dia-Compe centre-pull brakes and Suntour derailleurs. The Apollo models did not sell anywhere near as well as the Sekine. The Sekine had a more robust construction and better finish and graphics. However, the Apollo were lighter and their SunTour derailleurs shifter better than the Shimano equipped Sekine. The only performance area where the Apollo really suffered was in braking, which perplexed me at the time because the Weinmann equipped Raleigh and CCM stopped so much better, despite the fact that the brakes were virtually identical. In retrospect, I believe the Apollo used a thinner brake cable, attributing to a mushy repsonse. In the past two weeks, I have come across two old Apollo and I had to ask the owners if I could turn them over and look at the bottom bracket, to see if they had my stamp on them. Alas, they were not any of my old jobs.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Birddog on 10/7/2003 at 1:39:12 PM
Just to clarify and it might not make much difference. The cranks have "G2" stamped on them not G3.
The Serial # is on the seat tube non drive side just above BB and reads like this 77 3 70188 Those first three numbers sure look like date code to me, but maybe not. I'll try to get a look for those other codes this evening. Interestingly, I live in the greater OKC area, so this bike has not wandered far from it's importer. I read in another post on some other board while researching this that the bike was imported by a local co, but I blew it off thinking it was erroneos. They even gave an address in the 1500 block of W Main. I'll have to check out the area, as I can't remember what's there just now. I think it is about where the city/County Jail is.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Rif on 10/7/2003 at 4:28:46 PM
They supplied the BMX bikes for the movie E.T. back in the early eighties and had a huge advertising campaign linked to the movie.
I was 12 or 13 ears old at that time and had moved away from my old musclebike and was very into the BMX bikes at that time. I think I still have one of their ads laying around here somewhere...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by T-Mar on 10/7/2003 at 7:44:37 PM
The differnece bwrween G2 & G3 is only the month of manufacture. Given the date on the stem and serial number the cranks are probably a later addition. Check those date codes on the dearilleurs and freewheel to increase yuor confidence in 1977.

My last know adress for the company (from the moi 1980s) is:

Takara Bicycle Co.
1537 W. Main
Oklahoma City, OK 73106

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Birddog on 10/8/2003 at 2:26:37 AM
Well, I took a peek at the back of the F der, and here is what it said "Maeda Industries Ltd Japan SK 4532" no other letters that I could see. The cassette lockring also had the "Maeda Industries Ltd Japan Pro Compe TB 8.8.8. " That's all I had time to find.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Rob on 10/8/2003 at 6:31:13 AM
Well, Birddog, the SK is almost certainly the date code...For SunTour SK most likely means Nov. 1976...which is consist with your idea the 77 3 would mean the bike was built in March 77. Check out this site:


   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by Birddog on 10/8/2003 at 11:21:25 AM
Using that system, does that then mean the cassette dates from Feb. 77? where t = 7 and B = 2 or Feb. Thanks for the headsup on that site. I'm learning lotsa new things.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Takara posted by T-Mar on 10/8/2003 at 1:48:46 PM
You've got it, Birddog! Three matching component codes in conjunction with the serial number would give enough confidence to says it's a 1977 model.

AGE / VALUE:†††Indian Scout I.D. posted by: Leonard on 10/5/2003 at 9:43:49 PM
I should be out riding on this beautiful Autumn Afternoon, but...Looking for some info on a lightweight Indian Scout frame, # on right side of neck I 87291. Also has markings on bottom of crankcase; a 5 over an I on the left, and a 3 over an I on the right. 1953? Made by BCC for Phillips? That's my guess, wondering what else is original equipment... Thanks!!!

MISC:†††CRAZY POST.OF LATE posted by: LUKE on 10/5/2003 at 9:11:05 PM

MISC:†††Campy BB posted by: David on 10/5/2003 at 2:50:38 AM
I took a Campy bottom bracket apart for cleaning and greasing and noticed that the spindle holes in the cups have threading in them. What's it for?

   RE:MISC:†††Campy BB posted by T-Mar on 10/5/2003 at 1:53:20 PM
This feature was introduced on the 1967 Nuovo Record bottom bracket. They are not threads, but spirals (some people refer to them as rifling). You'll notice that the two cups have the spirals cut in opposite directions. The direction of the spirals are cut so that the forward turning of the spindle would cause any dirt to be pushed away from the inside of the bottom bracket and be expelled from the cups. This one of the numerous patented features on Campagnolo product.

   RE:MISC:†††Campy BB posted by Keith on 10/6/2003 at 4:55:21 PM
FWIW Campy pedal axles had the same feature.

MISC:†††Viscount wheelset on ebay posted by: Jim on 10/4/2003 at 9:11:46 AM
Saw these eBay, I remember some talk here about Viscount bicycles, thought someone might have some interest.
Not my auction...

   RE:MISC:†††Viscount wheelset on ebay posted by Joe on 10/4/2003 at 12:38:18 PM
Check out the vintage Phil Wood Hubset by the same seller!
(Not mine) Low starting bid too.
This guy has all sorts of vintage parts listed.

   RE:RE:MISC:†††Viscount wheelset on ebay posted by Gralyn on 10/4/2003 at 1:02:58 PM
I recently bought a Viscount.....so this is tempting....even though the starting price is 3X's what I paid for the bike......still, it's tempting.....well, I'll wait a few days and see how it goes.

   RE:MISC:†††Viscount wheelset on ebay posted by Jim on 10/5/2003 at 3:25:54 AM
I'm not real familiar with Viscount bikes, but from what I've read and heard they made many of their own parts. It seems these were pretty decent machines in their day. The sealed hub part is what got my attention, considering what a good set of cartridge bearing hubs go for these days, the starting price doesn't seem that high. I wander how many Viscount parts are proprietary or made in house? If the wheels were their own, they may be hard to find if you happened to end up needing one. I was considering them for an early Trek I have, but I don't think the "Viscount" script hubs would look right on the Trek. I will probably have a set built with the correct components to put it back to original. The Phil Wood hubs are an option though, but I believe they are earlier than my bike. I had a set of those hubs on a bike years ago, they are tough as nails since they use an oversize axel and are super smooth with seemingly no rolling resistance. Besides, I already bought a set of new old stock Rigida 1320 rims for it last spring.

MISC:†††Univega "SportTour"; Shimano 600 posted by: JONathan on 10/4/2003 at 2:45:09 AM
The long awaited church rummage sale came and went with nary a bike. Oh, there were gadzillions of 10 and 12 inchers, but only two road bikes. A Miyata "912" was just leaving with its new master when we arrived on the scene, just a few minutes after the opening buzzer triggered the flood of "bargaineers". My brother spotted a vintage LW frame slanted in the middle of the vast herd of miniature bikes. The "pro" who snagged that "912", must have been too excited to notice a real nice Univega "SportTour" was hiding in the mix.
After I filtered through the jumble, I saw it was a nice machine, indeed superb. The leather Italia seat with forged alloy SR post was the first surprise. The Shimano 600 with downtube shifters, Dia-Compe sidepulls with finger clips and cable release levers; SR "custom" forged cranks with forged alloy pedals; Araya 27x1.1/4 in. wheels; Shimano hubs and cassette freewheel made it worth the banged shinbone to get the bike free.
The subtle blue paint job was like new! The hp tires had the garage-rot pretty bad on the sidewalls. This was about the nicest condition bike I have gotten. Chrome-moly tubes with the typical mid-'80's Japanese superb construction made me wonder why all this ever faded away. Forged dropouts with integral hanger, too. This is a NOS bike for $15; the teeth on the chainrings have that perfect parabolic shape with no wear on the bevels.
I'd guess it was taken on one ride and set behind the washer for 18 years...I think it is 1985/86 vintage which is my favorite period because I think that quality and design had reached its zenith at that time. What a bike! I'm stoked.
Univega is no more, so these have to be collectible, too. I now have three Univega road bikes (VivaSport and SuperSport are the other two) and one Alpina Uno MTB rigid-frame. These are Miyatas in every sense except name.
Cheers, JONathan

   RE:MISC:†††Univega posted by Gralyn on 10/4/2003 at 1:06:52 PM
The most recent Univega I saw was at a LBS. They had it built up as a fixed gear. It has that subtle blue paint. I believe they were asking like $250 for it.

   RE:MISC:†††Univega posted by Rob on 10/6/2003 at 1:22:28 AM
Sound pretty interesting...I don't know much about Univega...sounds like they are built by the same company as Miyata??? I'll watch for them...I have a Miyata 912...very small frame, too small for me, but a nice looking bike full Shimano 600...6207 gruppo...nice 700 Ukai anodized rims; "Spline" triple butted Cro-Mo tubing...I wonder where the third "butt" is, and what it's for???...:)... . I'm waiting for a suitable frame, but I guess I might let it go if I can make a good trade...small frames are not in great demand.

   RE:MISC:†††Univega posted by al on 10/25/2003 at 2:00:13 AM
During the summer I picked up a nice Univega Gran Premio 12 speed at a yardsale. It had a Jim Blackburn luggage rack and that was what first caught my eye and also had a Zefal pump, an Avocet seat and Blackburn Water bottle cage. When I got the bike home I noticed that all the componants were very well finished..."like jewelry". ("Copy-Campy" I mused) It has a fluted seatpost the likes of which I haven't seen before.

I fixed the flat tire and took it for a ride. It is wonderfully light but the frame is a little short for me horizontally so I will probably sell it on ebay in the next few weeks.
Best wishes,

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††BIANCHI PREMIO........ posted by: Fred A on 10/4/2003 at 1:25:42 AM
Would anyone know where the "Premio" model is in the Bianchi lineup? It's an older 12-speed and I'm contemplating buying it.
Also...what would a good price be for one in excellent condition?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††BIANCHI PREMIO........ posted by Randy on 10/6/2003 at 11:59:33 AM
I bought a real nice Premio for $65.00 Canadian this summer. The bike is in very good condition with a few decal wear problems. Other than that, it is very good and rides well. I am not sure where it falls in the product range, but I would bet near the bottom.

MISC:†††Free Spirit posted by: Rob on 10/3/2003 at 5:34:49 PM
I saw this 3-speed last night in a thrift...good condition...Sears Free Spirit...steel cottered cranks...The bike was made in Poland...that's the first Polish bike I've knowingly seen...I could not tell for sure the make of the three speed hub, but if it isn't a Sturmey Archer, it was cetainly intended to look like one...the name had a stylized "S", but I couldn't make out the rest of the letters...So Sears also sourced bikes out of Eastern European countries, too??? ...I'm in Vancouver, maybe it was just the CDN market??? If the hub is not an SA, what would it have been and would it be any good???

   RE:MISC:†††Free Spirit posted by David on 10/4/2003 at 12:57:27 AM
I pulled a 3-speed Polish bike out of the trash recently; Shimano hub.

   RE:MISC:†††Free Spirit posted by Dave on 10/3/2003 at 6:22:50 PM
The only US 3-speed Free Spirits I've ever seen,(I once had a 10 speed also), were made in Austria. Interesting find but you may be correct about only for the Canadian market. I found a ladies 3-speed Sears made in Austria on a commute ride home about 13 years ago with a "Free Bike" sign on it. I shouldered it home. My wife didn't want it so I sold it to a woman for $35 via want ad.

   RE:RE:MISC:†††Free Spirit posted by JONathan on 10/3/2003 at 8:04:11 PM
Could be a Comet or Torpedo (red or blue stripe) which are German. The Shimano 3-3-3 could be used if it is form the 70's or 80's.
Good find. The Torpedo hubs are very unique and they last forever almost.

   RE:MISC:†††Free Spirit posted by Rob on 10/6/2003 at 9:08:23 PM
I went back to the thrift on Sat....I dragged the bike under a flourescent light, turned it upside down and looke real close...the stylized "S" is part of the symbol "3S", and along the edge of the hub in very small letters I could barely read "Shimano Japan" , plus there was a bit more...so I guess these are pretty good hubs??...

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by: Oscar on 10/3/2003 at 2:17:57 PM
In an effort to create a more positive conversation...

I remember a few recent posts from friends noticing more vintage machines on the roads and trails. Today, on my commute, I must have been the only cyclist out there. Now that it's October, and the weather is less predictable, I imagine a lot of the bikes are locked away in the basement awaiting spring. At least that's true of the more modern bikes with no room for wider tires and fenders.

I find that older bikes rule the streets during the "dark months".

   ††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by John E on 10/4/2003 at 2:22:22 AM
As everyone predicted, the CyclArt paint job caused me to retire my 1959 Capo from commuter service. My current commuters are my 1972 Peugeot UO-8, with 27 x 1-3/8" knobbies, nice Sugino cranks, 45-42/13-26 12-speed gearing, SunTour ratchet barcons, aluminum rims, a Pletscher mousetrap rack with an LED "blinkie," a period-correct cylindrical Bellwether handlebar bag, and plenty of clearance for mudguards.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Don on 10/4/2003 at 2:46:11 AM
Another Northwesterner here in Olympia & the rainy season will begin soon. I see many vintage lightweights & Winter seems to bring out a lot of "beater" type mountain and hybrid bikes. I get by with good rain gear, a locker room with shower at work.. I commute most days & do a trip home & back for lunch. I usually average about 4,000 miles a year but will only have 2,000 this year thanks to a 6 week bout with bursitis in my hip right in the middle of the best Summer in a century! Riding in the cold, dark, wet months helps me appreciate milder days & encourages self contemplation. Lots of lights, reflective wear & wool helps & I'm not ashamed to drive when it gets really windy out. I have a dozen or so bikes but The Rainbike is a fendered Centurion Pro Tour 15, dynohub/lumotec light & blinkies front & rear. The backup is a Centurion LeMans, & on better days my Specialized Expedition touring Bike.
Ride On..........Don

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by John S on 10/4/2003 at 4:58:14 AM
Was lucky enough to obtain a Mondia Speciale frame for a song. Chrome was pitted, but paint a nice, wild fade from red to white to green, mostly green, lime green, lots of pinstripes, those nervex lugs. It's my commuter now!

Sugino triple cranks, Mafac Racer brakes, SCRAM rear derailleur, SUnTour Bar Cons, Campy hubs, 38c tyres, rear rack with left pannier, Technomic stem for high riding.

Is this my "Frankenbike"?! An awsome commuter, fun on fire roads, comfortable, oh no!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by JONathan on 10/4/2003 at 5:24:01 AM
Vintage lightweights bicycles are over-built machines, IMHO. This feature, combined with their unreactive ride characteristics, make these ideal choices for all-weather commutes. Of course, severe weather conditions may lead one to a MTB. I have used a mTB for commutes, but it was a choice rather than a dire necessity for survival. My location is very mild compared to the winters of Canada and northern lattitudes of the USA.
I am not saying that vinatge road bikes handle the same; everyone has a different personality. You find one that hunts for you, and go with it. Basically, they all share in being the most superb bicycles ever built...like if one was to choose only one bike for evreything. My Schwinn "Traveler" seems to thrive on whatever you got going. It gets a healthy dose of road slime and grit, yet runs like a top after a good cleaning and a shot lube now and again.
A gore-tex breaker is a good investment. It can double for other activities, too. An old pair of powder-pants works, too. My discovery for shoes is quite by accident. I had an old pair of "AirWalk" lowtops that have this serrated groved sole. They grab the pedal like grappling hooks and will not slip. This is no jive. Good luck finding this type of sole. I can actually get a back=action on the upswing of the pedals! The leather gets wet, but waterproofer works to take care of leaks.
The MTB really throws up a rooster-tail and I look like a Jackson Pollack painting after I'm done riding. The 27x1.1/4 or 1.3/8 slice through the muck, but you have to take it easy; unlike the MTB that blasts on through with a vast trail of debris chasing you along. I've had the slop come over the top when I stop too fast. The snap-off fenders (plastic Blackburns or Zefals) look hokey, but they work great. I don't use a rear fender on the traveler as the brake clearance is too tight.
What's a little wet gonna do to hurt a guy, anyway?
Cheers, JONathan

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Gralyn on 10/3/2003 at 2:52:41 PM
So, where are you located?
I'm in the South - but I hate the winter months. I cycle for recreation - not basic transportation. I find that during the winter months I don't ride very much....too cold for me.....and during the week....it's always too dark...because of my work schedule...so the only time I can ride is on the weekends. I ride some...but not as much as I would like. I long for the Spring....and I plan to ride a lot during the Spring and Summer. But, what I found recently...is that the Summer is gone! And I didn't get to ride nearly as much as I wanted. And now, I'm telling myself that I plan to ride a lot this Fall and Winter. Especially this Fall.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by lumpen6353@yahoo.com on 10/3/2003 at 3:14:29 PM
Fall is a great time to cycle in the Midwest as well. I find that folks in my Bike Club are generally stronger cyclists this time of year,(having been riding all spring & summer), and when the leaves turn the scenery can be spectacular. Every October our club has a group outing @the Hilly Hundred in Bloomington ,IN. Bicycling has rated this ride as the best weekend Invitational ride in the US and the Fall colors are really quite nice. This year its Oct. 18th and 19th, I can hardly wait!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Keith on 10/3/2003 at 4:05:41 PM
I commute year round in central Ohio. Winters aren't severe here, but it gets into the teens and 20s, and there's eventually ice on the roads and bike paths. Last winter I constructed home-made studded tires, and they worked extremely well. I essentially followed the instructions at icebike.com. This weekend is the Columbus Fall Challenge, a 200+ mile trek through the hills of southeast Ohio. Looks like rain for tomorrow, and I'm not sure I want to do a cold, wet, hilly century+. Been there, done that. I rode the Hilly Hundred in 1974. I keep saying I'm going to ride it again -- maybe next year.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Rif on 10/3/2003 at 4:37:50 PM
Hi All,
I hail from the wet and cold Pacific Northwest. I like to ride, but I must admit that getting chilled to the bone and soaking wet tends to take some of the fun out of riding so i find that I don't ride nearly as much during the "Dark Months" (I like that phraseology!)
I have recently purchased motorcyclist rain gear, and hope that it will help remedy the wet aspect.
I do plan on riding more through these upcoming winter months as I wish to ride my '63 Schwinn Speedster that I've kustomized (yeah I know sacrelige, whatever...) in the annual STP (Seattle to Portland) ride next summer. I need to get in shape for a ride of this magnitude, as I usually only cruise my bikes around the neighborhood.
But this is also perhaps a good way of getting more into riding during this time of year, I usually sit and stare out of the window watching the blackened sky and the rain falling, dreaming of spring and summer rides.
I guess it's about time I stopped mopping and started riding. I won't ride in the snow though...!
Keep the Tire Side Down,

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Oscar on 10/3/2003 at 4:48:36 PM

I haven't heard from you since that little cross-country jaunt you took this Summer. Do whatever you want with a Speedster. They're very forgiving.

Most of us here know the glories of riding in the wet with fenders. Without them, you're wetter on the underside than the topside. They keep your bike cleaner, too.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Rob on 10/3/2003 at 5:29:58 PM
I hail from the same part of the world as as Rif...the wet, dark Northwest...Vancouver...while we've had a wonderful dry hot summer (except for all the wild fires) which is still enduring...I haven't turned my home furnace on yet, and that's about three weeks later than a typical year...according the predictions this run of weather is apparently set to end this Monday. I commute year round...the only days I skip (because of weather..not vacation time) are when there's too much black ice or snow...last winter that was only two days...the year before about 10 days...rain is never an issue...just requires fenders, lots of lights and more gear...I slow down a bit, but surprisingly not all that much...my commute might be 5 to 10 minutes longer...that's on a 45 to 50 minute slow bike, dry day commute...I don't use my fast bikes in the wet weather...while not ideal, I find I can tolerate the winter, but I'm more careful...I try to mmake myself as visible as I can... The "Dark Months" are coming...

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Ken on 10/3/2003 at 5:54:42 PM
As Zappa said, excuse me while I whip this out. It's about a bike named Fred.

In an informal Illinois survey of bikes ridden of necessity, e.g. for transportation (!), four out of ten are 40-pound WalMart fully suspended mountain bikes less than a year old; one is a "real" mountain bike, i.e. with cotterless cranks; two are rusty three-speeds; two are rusty ten-speeds; and one is a fred. The name Fred is a derogatory slang term among certain cyclists for people who hang every possible accessory on their bikes. So a guy on a bike with lights, and fenders, and a rear view mirror and a horn, and maybe a milk crate bungied on the back rack and a transistor radio and a flashlight taped to the handlebars, is a Fred. The funny thing is that if you commute you may wind up needing that stuff, except the crate and the radio, and I've been known to take along a radio during baseball season.

I began my bike education with an Armstrong 3-speed, a nice English machine I sold for twenty bucks before buying a Schwinn Continental new for about 90 entirely due to peer pressure at age fifteen. I may have gotten $35 for the Continental when I left home. Before long I had another department store Ashtabula 10-speed. This was before the era of the 40 pound W-M f. s. mtn. b., but the concept is the same. Cheap, but shiny new.

At 28 I still didn't know what a good bicycle felt like, so a new Ross 10-speed with Shimano 600 components was a big step. (Those are still good components.) But after riding the Ross for almost 15 years, mostly for fair-weather commuting, I wanted comfort. I bought a used Cannondale mountain bike and put slicks on it. Eventually, I changed every component on cdale starting with the Ovaltech chainrings. I commuted deeper into the winter and earlier in the spring. And I came more and more to appreciate country roads in the summertime. Meanwhile my basement slowly filled up with bikes and parts as I realized I had what is euphemistically called a hobby.

This brings me to Fred. I bought a Niskiki Colorado frame at a police auction just because it looked promising, and had the idea that I could save cdale for nice weather. I had the Cannondaleís old derailleurs and this and that, and before long I had a rain bike.

What amazes me is the similarity all dedicated commuter bikes share. In a recent Bicycling Magazine article called something like Joe Breeze Invents the Bicycle Again, they talked like fenders and lights were a stroke of genius. Of course they are, but not a new one. I arrived at this configuration by experiment and experience, and now I notice that other people arrived there ahead of me. European city bikes have mudguards and lights. Form follows function. Fenders pay for themselves the first time you get caught in the rain. And I've added a bell... but no mirrors, streamers, or raccoon tails... I also have a "road bike" commuter now.

I find my commute a lot easier than it used to be. Itís ten miles round trip and that will be plenty in January. If I drive the car I always think, "I could have been riding." But I never regret it when I go by bike.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Dave on 10/3/2003 at 6:17:09 PM
The worst part of Chicago winters is the excess amounts of sodium they put out on the streets. But fenders and lights are nessary, so I now have a Union generator set on my Varsity. They now have built in regulators so you no longer need extra bulbs to carry with,(light weight but fragile).

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Ralph on 10/3/2003 at 6:19:47 PM
I commute year round in Northeast Ohio. Last winter was brutal. Nothing like Buffalo, but still...
The current ride is a curb find from last summer. A Free Spirit 26" former 10 speed touring bike that's been converted to city bike duty. Plastic fenders, aluminum crank, Brooks B-15 saddle, aluminum rims and a new Shimano Nexus generator (I LOVE IT!!!). I have 23 other bikes, but I almost always find myself perched on the Greenbriar for my ride to work. I just hope my bike mechanic friends don't see me. The original plan was to use it for the winter and cast it off in the spring. Only thing is, it's such a blast to ride. Nice thing in the summer is that with all those bikes I always have a real pleasent desision to make. What to ride today? Everyting I ride is 1972 to 1983 vintage. Though sometimes turn some heads on my '32 Colson. Once in a great while I opt for the Turn of the Century (1895-ish) Pierce. Well, excuse my ramblings. All I can say is this is a GREAT hobby!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by Rif on 10/3/2003 at 6:22:04 PM
Most of my bikes are of the ballooner and middleweight variety, but since I got the speedster and and kustomized it, and since riding the 1905 mead (whizzer powered) across the country, I have a much greater appreciation for lighjtweights and roadsters.
With burgeoning gas prices, overcrowded roadways and pollution, I find that everyday the bike seems more and more a viable, enjoyable solution to my worries. Compare also the upkeep and repair cost between an automobile and a bike. Heck even in between- the motorized bicycles that I have I've been using for running errandsw as opposed to my car.
Yes I like cars, and have a few vintage MoPars, but I am finding my conscience grinding me everytime I jump in the car to run to the store, or post office, or what have you. I guess I'm finding my way back to some of the things that I once held dear in the sense of social conscience, but had forgotten for a while (I used to say that I am one half hippie, and one half Punk).
I'm also seeing more and more bikes on the roads than ever before, and find this encouraging.
What does this have to do with anything? Probably nothing but I just wanted to speak my mind a bit...
Keep the Tire Side Down,

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by T-Mar on 10/3/2003 at 7:01:22 PM
My commuter is a 1990 Rocky Mountain Hammer ATB with slicks, racks, fenders and lighting. Mind you that's probably serious overkill, as the city where I live is so small that I can ride from one end of town to the other in only 10 minutes. Hang, I can run it in 15 minutes or walk it in 40 mintues.

Our favourite fall ride is 100km north of my home town, in the Gatineau Park, just outside Ottawa. The fall colours are gorgeous, the hills are formidable, the pavement is good and the car drivers are extremely courteous. There's a really splendid, paved, 20 km loop and lots of trails, if off-road cycling is your preference.

Despite living in Canada, I ride quite a bit in winter, provided the roads are clear and dry. We hit the ATV trails in winter on the ATBs. The ATV tires do a pretty good job of packing the snow. I haven't done it in a while but we used to put sheet metal screws in the knobs of old tires and go out on the frozen lakes. However, all this winter riding really takes a toll on the bike. The road salt pits the aluminum and the condensation from taking it inside and outside corrodes the frame from the inside. In the end, it's better than riding rollers or windtrainers, though winter runnning is starting to appeal more to me.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:†††Commuting on a vintage machine posted by steve on 10/6/2003 at 3:45:40 PM
Over the past couple of years, I've gone through a veritable orgy of building club-type bikes - lightweight frames with various Sturmey-Archer internal hubs - and have found the two with 5-speed hubs to be perfect for commuting here in Seattle. One is a "Super Course" (straight-gage 531 main frame)with fenders and lights, and the other is a "Gran Sport" (531 DB) that is kept in fair-weather/daylight configuration.
My commute season runs from February to the time change at the end of October. My route is on some very busy streets, and I'd rather pass on the combination of early darkness and afternoon traffic. Dark mornings are manageable.