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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

MISC:   26" fork on a lightweight? posted by: bacoes on 1/22/2003 at 1:01:17 AM
I've been toying with the idea of putting an old rigid mtb fork on my beater '68 Supersport fixed gear bike. I'd like to set it up as a singlespeed cross-inspired bike to occasionally take on light singletrack and also still ride around. I've tried it with the original fork and centerpull brakes and don't really have the stopping power I want and want to switch to some cantis. I'm just wondering how much it will affect the balance, having a 700-23 rear and a 26x1.5 front.

   RE:MISC:   26 posted by Oscar on 1/22/2003 at 2:48:30 AM
You might try hybrid forks and use matching tires. That way you have canti mounts. If you want real stopping power on the origial fork, use Mafac Racer brakes with Kool Stops.

You might have some unexplained balance problems with a downward facing fixie. Safety first, man.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by: Gralyn on 1/21/2003 at 5:14:40 PM
Is it just my area - or have all the old lightweight bikes dissappeared? Maybe we've grabbed them all up - and there are none left? But, I find that hard to believe. I remember when I first got interested in collecting and tinkering with old lightweight bikes - it seems they were everywhere (I'm just talking about 2 - 3 years). Now, over the past several months - there have been hardly any at all. It's like it just dried up - and now they're all gone. I still feel that there are hundreds of bikes out there - but I just don't know where they are.
Has anyone else noticed that the old lightweight bikes are getting harder to find? (and no, it's not that I have become more picky, or specialized in what I look for - I mean there is nothing that resembles an old lightweight)
I just wonder if anyone else has experienced this.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Rob on 1/21/2003 at 5:47:24 PM
Hi Gralyn

I've been wondering that too...over the past year there do seem to be less available in the usual places I look...I'm in Vancouver so I don't know how that relates to various US locations, but the patterns are probably almost the same...I'm kind of waiting to see if spring cleaning brings out the usual rush of old bikes. Yet, I still think it's worth looking...I found an old Austro-Daimler SLE frame and forks, on an old bike shop's recycle pile in early Dec...price $0!!!...and I missed out on a well looked after Allegro in excellent shape...not a top model as I recall...last June or so, in a thrift store, about $50 US...I decided to think about it for a few days...and, well, you know the rest.... I find I'm concentrating more on components these days and I'm getting some interesting stuff...ie, Nuovo Record rear derailleur for about $3.50 US, excellent shape...hanger pivot bolt missing, but I did find a replacement...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Kevin K on 1/21/2003 at 10:05:26 PM
Hi all. My thoughts exactly. A few years back I was given the rare experience one bitter cold January night to take a peek into the back room of a local second hand store. Hundreds of bikes. I do mean hundreds too! I was given the chance to pick out as many as I wanted for $15. That happened once. Now there are no bikes in that location. Period. Gone. Even trash day junkers have dried up. It's a bummer too. I liked having a cheap suppy of classic parts at a reasonable price. So, where have all the bikes gone? Kevin K

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by jack on 1/21/2003 at 11:07:02 PM
in st louis there are none in two years jack

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Warren on 1/22/2003 at 2:20:31 AM
It's January. Spring cleaning will come around and there will be that magic two or three weeks around the beginning of April, when foolish consumers trade in their Sports for a department Huffy. Last year I got three Superbes in one day. My neighbours and friends now ride them

Buy em when you can.

    Where did all the bikes go? posted by John E on 1/22/2003 at 2:57:40 AM
I am seeing fewer classic road bikes at yard sales and thrift shops, but they are still out there. I think demand is up a bit, as the supply gradually to dwindles. I don't expect to score another full-531, Campag. geared classic for $20 any time soon ...

   RE: Where did all the bikes go? posted by Warren on 1/22/2003 at 3:54:02 AM
Ooops...lightweight list. Yeah I got three Masi's in one...naahhh

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by JONathan on 1/22/2003 at 6:03:09 AM
It seems to me that it's true. You have a finite number that has been subjected to depletion for many reasons. IMHO their "value" has been realized by an ever increasing number of people; and not just collectors. I see a lot of vintage LW's on the roads...way more than a year ago. The garages are filling up with junky MTB's instead of vintage road bikes. I see a lot of MTB's in the thrift store lots. The word is out that the vintage bikes have inherent value as precision machines with a unique craftsmanship quality. I have seen the drop off in thrifts and GS's, too. Still, I spotted a UO-8 at Sal. Army, last week. Try finding a Varsity! The Schwinns are nearly extinct at the thrifts, it seems. Good luck. Jonathan

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Wings on 1/22/2003 at 7:33:40 AM
Well .... this last year has been really good with Schwinns in good shape and Centurions and a couple of Miyatas, Treks, 1 peugot and today I saw a very nice Nishiki large frame for $29. However 90 percent of the bikes out there are older mountain bikes -- the ones with the caliper brakes and many with non alloy rims.

I am seeing a greater appreciation for the lightweights. The last couple of years some Thrift stores would price them at $89 when four years ago the were always under $29 and many times around $9. Yes, great parts deals!

8 years ago Stingrays and Schwinn cantilever frames would pop up every couple of months (often for $9) and now I never see them.

This is the best time of year for finding them! Old stuff seems to surface at this time also. I am in Southern California.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Bryant on 1/22/2003 at 12:27:31 PM
I've had a long dry spell here also. Last year this was the time I scored on a Trek 560. This year nada. Be patient, in a few months the yard sales will start and the old garage queens will go out. Let the thoughts of the good times carry you through these dry times.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Gralyn on 1/22/2003 at 1:19:27 PM
I thought that right after Christmas - there would be a flood of available old lightweights - but there wasn't. There was, however, a flood of kids bikes...kids outgrow their old bikes, they get new ones for Christmas - and the old ones get donated, etc. But, it has been a long time...and I don't see near the bikes I used to see just 2 years ago.
Here's how bad it is: Driving down the road the other day - not even a mile from my house - Down across a field - there was this small building / barn, beside a big red barn - and through the cracks in between the boards along the front - I could see a bike hanging up way in the back. This was probably more than 200 yards from the road....and my eyes aren't good at all. So, you know I got my eyes out for bikes if I could spot that! Who know's what it is....probaby an old balloon-tire bike. Maybe one day I will get up the nerve to stop and inquire.

   The eBay effect posted by Ray on 1/22/2003 at 2:38:00 PM
What you are seeing is what I call the eBay effect. Even the old timers who would not touch a computer have heard about the wild prices in the past so they are holding on to bikes. You can see this at flea markets and garage sales where a bike shows up now and then. The owner will go, that is an old bike and worth lot of money. I see it all the time now. I ran across a huffy tandem that was rusted out and missing fenders and the paint was gone. The old timer told me that it was a real old bike and he wanted $200 for it. I did not have the heart to tell him that I would not cart it away if it were free. Word of mouth about on line auctions is having an effect. It will swing back as soon as these people realize that no one wants the junk. Saw the other day a 60s Schwinn cantilever frame 26 inch bike. Rattle can spray job on the frame and wheels. Chrome was not bad and it had good grips, pedals, reflectors etc. This would be a good find for parts if you could get it for $25 but the owner said he restored it and values it at $350. Once again I walk away in silence so as not to offend. Still can have my pick of worthless Huffy bikes on junk day. On the flip side I did pick up a Colnago and Bianchi for $25 ea last summer so be patient and vigilant and you can still pick up some gems.

   RE:The eBay effect posted by Steven on 1/22/2003 at 6:58:40 PM
I have had a wonderful year with my searches. I picked up an early 60's Masi, a full Campagnolo 50th gruppo equipped bike and an early Cinelli all for prices that would allow me to easily earn at least $1000 each reselling on ebay. Maybe my luck will change this year.

   RE:RE:The eBay effect posted by Gralyn on 1/22/2003 at 7:50:08 PM
I have seen some old bikes at flea market-type events...and most of them are nothing but old junk that I wouldn't have...and they want such a high price for it....I just say thanks and walk away.

Hmmmmm - looking back over the past year - I would say it hasn't been bad so far as finds go. I acquired a Lotus 3000R, a Bridgestone RB-1, a Bianchi, a Centurion LeMans, and several misc. Motobecane, Schwinn, etc. The best bang for the buck would have to be the Bridgestone RB-1. But, and I wouldn't tell anyone this, I don't do it to make any money. I have lots of bikes I would sell....and I have several I plan to try and sell....but when I find something like the RB-1 - I think of it in terms of riding it for myself - not re-selling it. However, I will pick up an old Motobecane, or Schwinn for just a few bucks...thinking...I could clean it up, tune it up, and maybe re-sell it. I guess it's kind of like a goal....to find the most valuable bike I can...for the least amount of money.

I have a friend who has several retail stores....he says..."don't fall in love with your merchandise". I could never be successful re-selling old bikes! After cleaning, polishing, fixing, tinkering, it's hard to part with them. But, on the ones that don't really fit me - or I don't like how they ride...after a while - I don't have that much of a problem parting with them.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Rob on 1/23/2003 at 3:28:07 AM
Well, Gralyn, this has certainly turned into an interesting thread...I like the way you put it in your last post...I have these kinds of 'problems', too...I will justify getting an old 'beater' for the parts, then I simply find it too hard to 'end its life' so to speak. All bikes to me seem to have a 'spirit' and, of course, a 'history'. I really hate destroying that...however, if the bike is unrideable or is too large for me and rather beat up, I will often, and even then with some reluctance, part it out...Last year I got an early '80's Bianchi with some nice, but not great parts...the bike was a write off...bent forks, bent top and down tubes...even the seat post was bent, mangled back wheel...yet somehow the front wheel was totally unscathed...I even wonder if the guy riding it survived...I've pulled it a part, but still have the frame lying around and occasionally think what kind of a ride it would have been...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by freeespirit on 1/23/2003 at 6:10:22 AM
I think all the good bikes migrated south for the winter! Also places where there are nice bike collectors, who will restore and ride them. I found some Ok bikes last year. A Schwinn Super Sport for $5, an Centurion for $5, A Trek 420, A winsdor Pro, A newer (90s) Paramount. Sometimes I wouldn't see anything or all overpriced huffys and murrays. Good bikes are stil out there, its just finding them and being in the right place at the right time. I bought a PX-10 from a 2nd hand shop that had a sticker from a yard sale, which meant it sat thru a weekend garage sale without anyone showing any inteterst in it!

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Wings on 1/23/2003 at 7:50:59 AM
I think it may be good that they are harder to find. When I spend a day looking and come home empty handed I feel good! Because, I too rescue them as if they are living and although I find homes for most of them there are some that are historical greats. Too many in fact and one does "fall in love" with the merchandise!

I visited some antique stores this month which I have not done for almost a year. I say a Schwinn Cruiser Repop (Not Phantom Repop) -- nothing original on it for around $800. During the summer they could have been purchased new for $250.

I saw a JC Higgins balloon tire (1953?) that was painted a high gloss black. The Chrome springer was all high gloss black (chrome painted) the white yolk was painted high gloss black! It was spray can high gloss everything black -- I moaned!!!! The price was $1000 "firm". I see thinks like that and shake my head!

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Chris on 1/23/2003 at 10:01:15 PM
Personally,I feel that some big time vintage bike collector guy was snatched up by some spaceship and instead of never being seen at the swap meet again. A secret deal was somehow cut and these grays or whatever are in league with the collector or collectors. I see no old bikes anyplace just crap mountain bikes. Or else the aliens have become vintage bicycle collectors themselves, having broken the bargain they made with the earthling collector from Elmira, Ohio.
In my neck of the woods it has completely and totally dried up. Of coures this has me all suspicious!
I wonder where in tarnation some of these fellows find all these goodies! Imagine a cloaked U.F.O. sweeping whole neighborhoods on trash night with the bikes being beamed up. Are there mounds of old bikes at some secret base?
Can you imagine conveyor belts of old bikes being re- manufactured and worked on by these four foot tall creatures?
It would answer a heck of a lot of questions. Like what happened to whole buildings,tooling, parts, whole industries, cycle tools, the bicycles themselves. If they can construct advanced interplanetary vehicles that can skitter across the space time continium in seconds then nobody would be able to compete against them in the restoration business.
Decals? Matching original paint? ha, No problem!
Serriously, I have no idea where the old bikes have gone.
Keep looking and if you suspect an influence not- of- this- world at work concerning vintage bikes please let me know.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Where did all the bikes go? posted by Lincoln on 1/27/2003 at 9:28:49 PM
I just started messing with bikes again in November.
I've been GIVEN a Motobecane Grand Jubile (Reynolds 531
and nice dropouts but not many braze-ons) frame salvaged
from the dump, but that's
probably the high end. Found a Triumph 3 speed from 1955,
pretty much all original, around the other side of my
block in the trash. Picked up an '80s (I think) Puegeot road
bike for $35. Got a UniVega that fits me better for $20 at
local thrift store. Got a Fuji S10-S for $30 at another local
thrift store (both in walking distance). SO I guess only the
Motobecane is high end, but the others are nice. Have to sell some.

(plus the Gitane mixte from the trash a couple of years ago,
but i guess that's not nice.)

Also, a local guy (in Waltham, MA) has maybe 6 or 8 road bikes hanging
in his cellar he has trouble selling. And a gorgeous '60s
Raleigh, tho I don't know if it's still there. LBS #1 has
a collection of somewhat more recent but gorgeous Raleighs
mounted on wall.

Anyone in Boston area might want to check out the huge piles of
bikes at Federico's in East (or was it South?) Boston. No idea
what's in there, assuming they are still there.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   from 1915 possible sears master posted by: Russ White on 1/20/2003 at 11:40:24 PM
Trying to find out what this serial number goes to it is a number 43658 from the 1900's. If anyone has any idea of what this make and model is please let us know. As this is an original bike from this area, all parts are orginal. Have been told its not in the collecting mainstream. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and trouble. Please respond in a timely manner as someone has told us theses are not orignal parts, but according to the picture we have all seem to be orgrinal parts, so any help would be most helpful. Thank for your time and trouble.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   from 1915 possible sears master posted by Joel on 1/21/2003 at 10:41:40 PM
I doubt that the serial number is going to help you. Does it have a Sears Master name badge?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Looking for raleigh Pattern Rim posted by: Brian on 1/20/2003 at 1:34:05 AM
I'm looking to purchase a Raleigh-pattern rim, 1950's-early 60's w/ 32 hole drilling in the 26 x 1 3/8 size - the chrome & condition should be very good. I'm also looking for two 26 x 1 3/8 size stainless steel rims in the 40 & 32 drillings. Yeah I know..good luck buddy!

MISC:   Puch Marco Polo posted by: Kap on 1/19/2003 at 8:53:52 PM
I am looking for any information on a Puch Marco Polo (touring?) cycle. I am interested in the year or years the bicycle was build and the original parts spect.

Thank you.


VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Frame swap? posted by: David on 1/19/2003 at 7:27:10 PM
I'd like to swap a 25 1/2" Raleigh Competition GL frame for something similar but about 24 to 24 1/2 ". Mine is [original paint] black with chrome frame ends. 531 DB tubes, forks, stays. Headset but no BB. Fender eyelets, but no braze-ons. Boston area would be best. Email me off-line.

AGE / VALUE:   Bearing deterioration posted by: Darryl on 1/19/2003 at 12:52:22 AM
What is the best method or any method to keep bearings in storage from deteriorating. If I keep them in the envelopes or plastic bags they come in they pick up corrosion in about a year or two. Do I need to cover them with grease?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bearing deterioration posted by Warren on 1/19/2003 at 3:41:37 AM
Grease will do just fine. There are some natural oils that Japanese woodwokers use to keep their tools from rusting. They are particuclarly prone to rust...high carbon content.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bearing deterioration posted by Rob on 1/20/2003 at 5:28:46 PM
I would guess Warren is talking about Camelia (Camellia?) oil...(camelia-scented fish oil)...it's apparently used when iron tools are being stored for long periods of time...


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bearing deterioration posted by David on 1/20/2003 at 6:08:08 PM
Is this the same camellia oil that's sold as a skin treatment? (It seems to be pressed from camellia seeds.)

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Center Pull or Side Pull posted by: Gralyn on 1/18/2003 at 10:29:58 PM
I have a mid-70's Peugeot. I think it originally had center pull brakes. I was thinking of maybe making it look more like original. I believe it was "upgraded" to side pulls at one time. I had even thought of "upgrading" to either a more modern side-pull...but then I thought....maybe go toward something old.....like Mavac Racer's. But since it originally had center pulls...I have an old set which are very lightweight. Also, I have Phillippe bars and Atax stem. I'm thinking they came off a Peugeot - but I can't remember for sure. Did those ever come on a Peugeot?

Well, anyway, I'm leaning toward putting the center pull brakes on and also the Phillippe bars and Atax stem....to make it look more "old" and "classic". Oh, by the way, it does have cottered cranks....so it already looks pretty "classic"

     Center Pull or Side Pull posted by John E on 1/19/2003 at 2:57:56 AM
Many Peugeots came with ATAX or AVA stems.

There is nothing wrong with center-pull brakes, when outfitted with KoolStop pads. Modern short-reach sidepulls are great, but if your bike requires a long reach, you are probably better off with self-centering center-pulls. Mafac would be authentic until the late 1970s, when Peugeot-branded Weinmanns made a brief appearance. Both work well, but you can boost the leverage of Mafacs by shortening the straddle cable. The other advantage of center-pulls is that you can route them left-front or right-front equally easily.

You may want to consider upgrading to period-correct French aluminum cranks from Nervar, Stronglight, or TA.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Center Pull or Side Pull posted by Jeff B on 1/19/2003 at 1:58:40 PM
I have two old Peugeots with center pull Mafac Racers and a newer Peugeot with center pull brakes with Peugeot name on them, they look like Weimann's just as John E said in his comment. All three have cottered cranks. JB

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Center Pull or Side Pull posted by Joe on 1/19/2003 at 4:43:56 PM
If your interested, I have a complete set of Mafac Center pull 'racer' brake calipers, levers, cables complete
listed on eBay. These were taken off of a PX-10 back when it was brand new. They never saw any use. The eBay item number is: 2701283391.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Center Pull or Side Pull posted by glenn on 1/20/2003 at 8:27:32 PM
Hello, I have a bunch of Peugeot 531 frames/bikes and many came with Phillippe bars and Atax stems. Beware the AVA and PIVO stems as they were known to break. Most of the stems in later years that were marked Peugeot were made by ATAX. I have also seen CTA stems and bars on french bikes of this vintage.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Center Pull or Side Pull posted by Keith on 1/21/2003 at 5:20:02 PM
FWIW my early 70s Peugoet UO-8 has Mafac Racers. I had these brakes on my Gitane Interclub and always thought they worked quite well.

AGE / VALUE:   Fuji S10-S posted by: Lincoln on 1/18/2003 at 8:46:10 PM
Saw a neat looking bike in a thrift store today. Fuji S10-S. Can anyone
tell me about these? Are they worth anything? Significant (I mean apart
from bucks)? It's my size (maybe 56cm), but I have too many bikes
already. The thing I noticed was the leather seat. NOt even broken in
yet. The whole thing's in excellent shape, but I have too many bikes!
(At least until I sell a few.) It's in incredibly good shape and I'd
hate to see someone grab it and beat it up. Oh well.

I've got to get used to this as there are also two nice mixtes in
another thrift store in walking distance, including a Puch which I'm not
used to seeing.

Has Suntour deuraillers and QR, I forget but possibly Sugino cranks.
Rims are unhooked, nominal 27 X 1 1/4 I think, maybe spelled something
like Urai??? Shifters on stem, unfortunately.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji S10-S posted by Darryl on 1/18/2003 at 10:01:35 PM
I have a 1983 Fuji catalog that shows a S12-S (12&18 Speed) and it says "Introduced in 1971 as the S10-S and renamed the S12-S when Fuji pioneered twelve speed gearing in 1977, this is the bike that has set the standards for comfort, performance and reliability over the years". Appears to be one of their mid-priced bikes. Probably sold $200 - $300.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji S10-S posted by Gralyn on 1/18/2003 at 10:29:25 PM
I'm glad someone is spotting bikes out there. Near my home it has pretty much dried up. With the exception of the Bridgestone RB-1 I happened upon....there has been nothing at all.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji S10-S posted by Ian Kersey on 1/19/2003 at 2:10:21 AM
Per the spec sheet that came with my early '70s FUJI catalog (undated, but probably 1973 or '74), the S10-S was equipped as follows:

Frame Sizes (in.): 21, 23, 25
Frame: High tension steel tubing
Handlebars: Nitto Universiade B105, Professional Racing type light alloy with cotton bar tape
Stem: Nitto Hi-Crown 70 mm Light Alloy
Brakes: Dia-Compe center pull, light alloy with safety lever
Gear and Cranks: Sugino Maxy 40/50, light alloy
Rear Cog: Sun Tour 14/28
Pedals: Mikashima No. 1
Rims: Ukai 27 x 1 1/4
Hubs: Sanshin large flange light alloy with QR
Spokes: No. 15 steel
Tyres: 27 x 1 1/14 Gum side wall
Saddle: Fujita B-17
Seat Post: Chrome
Derailleur: Sun Tour GT
Front Derailleur: Sun Tour Spirt
Color: White/Red/Blue/Yellow/Green
Weight, approx. lbs: 29
Extras: Pump, Spoke Protector

Per The Complete Buyer's Guide to Bicycles, 1973, page 35, the FUJI S10-S "should be bought by someone who wants to get one of the best bikes in the $100-$200 price range, and is hesitant about buying a Gitane or a Peugeot because he does not like Simplex or Huret derailleurs.... This Fuji is a good touring bicycle which will give years of hard riding service. Very few repairs or adjustments will ever be needed." This source lists the price as being $165.00, as compared to the Peugeot UO-8 price being $134.95. FYI, the catalog I referenced above has an inked in price of $189.00 for the S10-S.

Per http://www.fujibikes.com/2001/usa/html/main/maynard.htm , "In 1974, Consumer Reports rated the S-10-S #1, putting Fuji on the map with consumers and dealers."

Basically, the S10-S is the bike that Fuji used to break into the American market. While not "collectible" per se, it is a milestone bike in that it led the way for the Japanese invasion of the mid-70s.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji S10-S posted by David on 1/19/2003 at 1:44:29 PM
I liked the S10S a lot when it was current. Very stiff feel and good handling. It's not particularly light, but nice riding and it won't be a target for thieves. Nice saddle, too.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fuji S10-S posted by Bryant on 1/19/2003 at 3:51:46 PM
There are a few bikes that I will buy at a Thrift store/Flea market without a great deal of examination, Trek and Fuji. I picked up a Fuji S12S that was just to big for me (Thats what happens when you straddle a bike with flat tires) but it was very nicely made. After I fixed it up, it was a very comfortable ride. I sold it for $100 and the guy has been thanking me since. If the bike fits, I think you would be very pleased with the ride. Good Luck

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   claud butler posted by: Brian L. on 1/18/2003 at 6:34:58 PM
I have one that I would like to sell or trade. It's really a touch too big for me at about 58 square. All 531, but stamped drop-outs. Difficult to judge age as it has braze-ons for cables and shifters. Originally equipped with center-pulls and 27" wheels. Has rivited headbadge but missing all decals except 531 badges on forks. Paint fair, but no dents or dings. Includes HS, BB, brake cable stops front and rear, un-marked randoneur bars, and vintage TTT stem. (206) 633-3139. No shipping, Seattle pick-up only.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   claud butler posted by Brian L. on 1/18/2003 at 6:47:15 PM
Also includes original 27" wheelset w/ serrated chrome rims that have seen better days and Tipo hubs that need to be re-built.

AGE / VALUE:   Campy hub posted by: Darryl on 1/18/2003 at 1:10:59 AM
I recently acquired a Campy front hub,36 spoke,skewer w/ curved handle and the axel nuts have printed on them "Camp. SU 51" on one and "Camp. SU 42" on the other. I thought this was where the vintage year was located. But 51 & 42 doesn't sound reasonable. Any thoughts. Hub looks like a C-record.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Free Spirit from Austria posted by: Jeff Britton on 1/18/2003 at 1:06:37 AM
I recently acquired a Sears Free Spirit 1? speed bike maybe from the 70's. Made in Austria. Reynolds butted 531 frame and 531 fork. Dia Compe levers, Weinmann 610 Vainqueur 999 center pulls, Shimano Crane rear deraileur,SR Meltforging cranks 171.5 made in Japan, Ava aluminium stem and drop bars, Tange BB. All other parts missing. The frame is a yellow mustard color, no braze ons of any kind. I have made a nice fixed gear out of this frame with a welded up Shimano Uniglide freewheel. Frame is a nice supple ride. Any one have any info on these Free Spirits from Austria? Who made these bikes for Sears? JB

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Free Spirit from Austria posted by Warren on 1/18/2003 at 3:07:45 AM

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Free Spirit from Austria posted by Danny Joe on 1/18/2003 at 3:41:59 AM
The only Sears Free Spirit I have seen was by appearance a low end 10 speed made during the 1970's bike boom era.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Free Spirit from Austria posted by Walter on 1/18/2003 at 6:02:05 AM
Early on, and the early 70s might be at the end of the period Sears imported their bies from Austria and some of them were pretty decent. They later devolved into heavy gas-pipe lead sleds though they were probably still a bit better than most department store bikes.

      Free Spirit from Austria posted by John E on 1/19/2003 at 3:04:09 AM
There are probably others, but I know of only two Austrian bicycle companies: the mammoth Steyr-Daimler-Puch, still in business but no longer making bicycles, and the much smaller Capo (www.capo.at), still in business and still making high-end racing bicycles. The early Sears free spirits were definitely S-D-Ps. The later boat anchors were Murrays or Huffies. Yours sounds like a keeper, but take good care of that increasingly rare Swiss-threaded bottom bracket.

WANTED:   Shoes for slotted pedals posted by: John on 1/17/2003 at 5:18:42 PM
Hi, having some trouble locating shoes with traditional (ok old) slotted cleats. I have three vintage bikes and really hate to change pedals (Campy). I have searched some of the vintage sites and haven't found anything in "normal" shoe sizes (10 1/2-11). Clipless shoes all have velcro straps which tend to get in the way and mountain bike type shoes are the only ones with soles that might accomodate, but aren't really that great for real road riding Any ideas?

   RE:WANTED:   Shoes for slotted pedals posted by Keith on 1/17/2003 at 6:14:56 PM
I've had the same problem. I just live with the difficulty of squeezing the velcro shoe strap past the toeclip strap. The one and only advantage -- if you can call it that -- is that the shoe strap provides a sort of cushion for the toeclip strap. I've also seen the size 40 vintage stuff -- way too small for me. FWIW the last pair of cycling shoes I bought, about 5-6 years ago, came with plastic slotted cleats. Anyone know if this is still done?

   RE:WANTED:   Shoes for slotted pedals posted by Richard on 1/17/2003 at 6:46:36 PM
Adidas and Diadora used to sell the old school lace up road shoes a couple years ago. I saw a pair of the Diadora's on Ebay a week or two ago (they must have been a 45/11 size cause thats what I seached for) in very good shape, but alas there gone now.

   RE:WANTED:   Shoes for slotted pedals posted by David on 1/18/2003 at 2:03:16 PM
Someone posted on this list (or the Roadster list) a report of a bike shop somewhere that had a large stock of NOS Italian cycling shoes. I tried to elicit more details but heard nothing. Perhaps we'll hear more. I'd like to find a pair.

   RE:RE:WANTEDThat might have been me posted by Walter on 1/19/2003 at 9:01:50 PM
There's such a shop in my town anyways. Some NOS Nishikis and Pinarellos as well as a large # of older shoes NIB. Fairly large quantity of shoes but I don't know about sizes as I have to confess I've abandoned straps and clips.

When buying stuff for a bike I built for my daughter I mentioned the online market for NOS stuff and he displayed a strong aversion to selling online. Perhaps he'll deal over the phone? I haven't had time to build much of a relationship so I can't help much. Don't have the # right at hand but if you typed "Orange Blossom Bicycles" and "Fort Pierce, Floida" into the Yahoo phonebook or something similar or good old 411 you should be able to get the # pretty easy.

   RE:WANTED:   Shoes for slotted pedals posted by Maurice on 1/20/2003 at 5:39:21 AM
There are several pairs of classic black leather Detto Italian racing shoes on Ebay in various sizes - Good luck, Mo

   RE:WANTED:   Shoes for slotted pedals posted by Dave on 1/20/2003 at 7:07:18 PM
Try www.renaissance-cycles.com ,they have older Vittoria and other brands at very resonable prices.

   RE:WANTED:   Shoes for slotted pedals posted by John on 1/21/2003 at 5:52:14 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep looking. The ebay shoes would be nice, but the sizes aren't "normal." I read an article where someone took a pair of Diadora Voyagers and cut the bottom strap off and had a cobbler put holes for laces where the strap was removed. A bit drastic and still not a "real race shoe" but I found the shoes at performance for only $40, so I'll see what I can do there. If anyone sees anything in the 44-45 (10.5-11) size range, please post. Thanks, John

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Shoes for slotted pedals posted by Jacob on 1/22/2003 at 12:00:27 PM
I take good care of my Detto Pietro shoes that I bought back in 1984 along with my Columbus Zeta bike with a Galli-group. I still have the bike (taken apart), and I still use the shoes a lot riding my 1982 Tange Champion frame with shimano 600 components (like I did this morning). I will not be able to get new cleats for these shoes, and I would hate to see them out of use. So take care, Jacob, no walking!

Jacob, Denmark

AGE / VALUE:   PX 10 posted by: Harris on 1/17/2003 at 12:35:21 AM
We estimated this bike to be a 62-63 . Yours is apparently earlier due to the double cable rear derailler. What crank do you have?

AGE / VALUE:   px10 posted by: joeI on 1/16/2003 at 10:40:35 PM
Hi I Recently purchased early 60's px10 .I was wondering if any one could tell me if it is a early 60's or from the 50's. The seat decal is a lion with a rainbow in the back ,the down tube decal was missing due to repaint, it has nervex lugs and a inoxable decal, the head badge is metal with a lion with one paw up, the serial numbers are 6 numbers, Also could you tell me what kind of components a early 60's would have on it, the rear derailleur has a dual cable guide what make of simplex would this be , a 61 ?