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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   I stole this bike! posted by: Tom Findley on 1/30/2003 at 1:14:41 PM

It arrived yesterday, and looks as good in real life as the pictures. I estimate it has less than 100 miles on it.

Possible reasons for lack of other bids:
It's January.
Lot s of job losses.
No one is buying any high priced non-essentail thing until the war with Iraq starts.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   I stole this bike! posted by Gralyn on 1/30/2003 at 3:22:57 PM
I would say you did!
Wow! I'm surprised you got it at that price. Enjoy!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   I stole this bike! posted by Keith on 1/30/2003 at 3:43:16 PM
That's a beautiful bike! Congrats and hope you enjoy it for many many miles.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   I stole this bike! posted by Wings on 1/31/2003 at 7:24:24 AM
What a deal! Looks great!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Eddy Merckx and Cinelli Moro posted by: Dean on 1/30/2003 at 12:20:10 PM
Hi again , I have purchased two bikes today one is an Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra and the Other is a Cinelli Moro ,can anyone shed anylight on these for me, I think they are very early eighties and would they be worth restoring paintwise???

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Eddy Merckx and Cinelli Moro posted by dean on 1/30/2003 at 1:33:46 PM
PS: the eddy merckx has a serial number c5403 can anyone shed any light on the serial numbers,cheers

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1976 Motobecane Super Mirage posted by: Mark Ready on 1/30/2003 at 3:06:25 AM
Does anyone have an idea of what a 1976 Super Mirage in nice condition complete with the original owners manual is worth. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1976 Motobecane Super Mirage posted by Walter on 2/1/2003 at 2:23:30 PM

The Mirage was a solid bike but not a chromoly frame as I recall. Like most Motos it has really nice paint and finish. I like Motos and sorta keep an eye on them on eBay. I've seen them sell for anywhere from $75-150. Motos consistently sell on eBay which is good. A 76 should be early enough for downtube shifters which would be a plus. Original paperwork is always nice but the bike is not a real collectible so it won't add big $.

If you're the original owner why not keep it? It probably has alot more sentimental value than $ value. I owned a similar vintage Nomade and would love to have it now even though I own better bikes.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Worth anything?!? posted by: Richard on 1/30/2003 at 1:22:07 AM
Are mid seventies (74 english made) records worth anything or should I just make a single speed out of it? P.S. Ham fisted baboons and bicycles dont mix. Person who owned this bike before wedged a 130mm wheel in a 120mm spacing (nice), at least I was able to straighten frame again. Those GB bars have some seriously deep drops and a nicely scrolled logo.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Worth anything?!? posted by Keith on 1/31/2003 at 2:49:15 PM
My answer is that your Raleigh Record is, at best, practical transportation, but don't knock that! My rule of thumb would be any lightweight made 1970 or later, and made of plain steel (like your Record), does not have value as a collectable at this time. And I'm lowballing it! Some would say the only bikes worth collecting are Alex Sigger, Rene Herse, Hetchins, Wastyn Paramounts, late 1940s Bianchis, prime year Masis, Cinnelis, De Rosa's, various 1950s French stuff, and bikes of similar ilk, rare, exotic, and pedigreed. I'm not in that lofty sphere (I'd get a nosebleed), and think that well-made, nice riding bikes that some would label "mid-range" or "third tier" are worth prserving and enjoying.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Worth anything?!? posted by Richard on 2/1/2003 at 6:15:00 PM
Started putting it back together and realized the fork is tweeked to the side (wheel centered but leans like the tower of Piza or is that Pista or was that me after finding the tweek). Couldnt straighten it, so I installed a Tange 900 fork and headset off a Shogun that had a cracked frame. I guess this will be the Richard's/Demolishin/Ratthrashin/Recycler or RDRR. Thanks for your help, not real sure of vin bike values. I think the Japan made bikes from 1970 - Pre Tiawan are under rated though (but maybe thats because the mass of them manufactured). As the kids say now a days "Piece Out".

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Worth anything?!? posted by Richard on 2/2/2003 at 12:11:00 AM
Well I threw it together as a single speed slapped a front brake on it for safety and took it for a spin. Nice Ride, rode straight as a arrow with out hands and pedaling (not to bad considering the frame was bent). Yeah it was worth ten bucks. I have another bike to ride and left over parts.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   French Leather Saddles posted by: Don on 1/29/2003 at 6:31:05 AM
E-bay item #2155177813, PRYMA '50s leather saddle just closed @$660.00 & item # 2155183498 PEARL 50s leather saddle still bidding @ $800.00. Anybody know why? Also I have a similar but probably newer(60s) PRYMA on one of my bikes. Any possiblilty mine has such value or is there something special about these e-bay items? Found mine on a Goodwill Hi-Ten Univega beater for $9.95, kept the saddle, Blumel fenders & other parts, tossed the frame. Don In Olympia, WA

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   French Leather Saddles posted by Warren on 1/29/2003 at 1:46:24 PM
French bikes from the1950's are one of the hottest markets in bike collectibles. Japanese buyers have been largely responsible for this. They have the largest amounts of savings per capita...cars are ridiculously expensive to drive and many mature japanese men now want to own the premium bikes of their youth...which are predominently french, (France had many colonies on the Pacific rim back then). They will pay huge amounts of money for mint condition french parts...I think it was $1700 for an NOS Simplex Juy 51 derailleur last year.

AGE / VALUE:   gerald cinet posted by: bob on 1/29/2003 at 3:39:08 AM
I have a gerald cinet cotter crank,quick release wheels.lug frame,all simplex componets is it worth anything paint and condition looks pretty good

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Carlton Catalina posted by: Matthew on 1/28/2003 at 7:25:31 PM
Hey, I managed to get a hold of an old Raleigh Carlton Catalina the other day and I'm beginning the process of restoring it. It's a sweet bike - my brother and I love these old Raliegh lightweights.

First off I was trying to determine the age... have so-so luck. I know it's at least '68 or earlier from the liscencing tag on it... also there's a number (serial?) stamped on it that says "Y166" ... I was thinking maybe '66?

Any info would be much appreciated, as I am on a quest to find out as much about the bike as I can :)



   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Raleigh Carlton Catalina posted by Steve on 2/1/2003 at 7:33:29 AM
I just restored a mid-60s Catalina last year. My journal of the project is at http://www.nonlintec.com/carlton. The serial no. of my bike (M5992) does not correspond to any Raleigh pattern, so I couldn't date it that way. I had to go by what I could discover about the components. Yes, it is a remarkably nice bike, decent quality with the Reynolds 531 tubing and hand-cut lugs. I only wish they had used nicer rear dropouts; sigh.

There are some pictures of Catalinas on the Classics Rendezvous web site (one of the links at the bottom of my page).

If you have any pictures of it, I'd love to see them. Feel free to drop me an email if you have any questions that I might be able to answer.

MISC:   Winter riding posted by: Keith on 1/28/2003 at 4:57:35 PM
Not very vintage, perhaps, but I wanted to share with those of you who ride in the cold snow and ice, that I recently made my own studded tires, basically following the instructions at icebikes.com, and they work wonderfully -- I feel secure and stable on all kinds of ice. The only downside is that studded tires are very slow and inefficient on pavement.

   RE:MISC:   Winter riding posted by Oscar on 1/29/2003 at 5:29:03 AM
Where I live, the streets get plowed pretty quickly, so the studs wouldn't help. Where I'd like to try them is on the bicycle paths that don't get plowed. It always bothers me to ride past them, so prinsine and white, and not to be able to ride more than 20 yards.

Just when I thought I ran out of bike projects for the winter...

   RE:MISC:   Winter riding posted by Keith on 1/30/2003 at 3:47:29 PM
Oscar, I made these tires specifically for the local bike path, which I use to ride to work. I had been very frustrated that I was unable to ride on it after it snows and the path acquires an icy surface. The path has every kind of ice -- black ice, highly textured ice from footprints frozen in place, thin, thick, solid, slushy. The studded tires work on all of it with zero loss of traction. Let me know if you need details on how to.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Winter riding posted by Oscar on 1/31/2003 at 2:44:50 AM
They say that the Inuits have 20 different words for ice. How many in Ohio?

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Winter riding posted by ken on 1/31/2003 at 3:24:48 AM
Oscar, you're Chitown, no? I find that the pristine snow is much easier than the well used slush which ices up the bike and makes everything scary.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Winter riding posted by Oscar on 2/1/2003 at 4:48:08 AM
Chitown Oscar, here. Our winter has been pretty mild, and the ice has been melting to slush really quickly. We just got out of a +10 week, and the riding is great because the streets are dry and clear.

WANTED:   INFORMATION ON A FRENCH CNC posted by: Ian on 1/28/2003 at 8:06:12 AM
I was invited today to visit an older cyclist who competed at the 1952 Helsinki Olympics and amongst the many beatiful memoirs of a lifetime involvement in the cycle industry that he showed me was a "CNC Special" which he said he had custom made in a small factory in Paris just after the Olympics. It has a Campag Rouibax rear derailliur with a neat system that loosens and moves the rear axle to tension the chain after changing gear, a Simplex front derailleur, Gnutti cranks and G.B. stem and bars. All of these were the reccommendation of the builder as the best of their range in stock at the time. Just a few years ago he wrote to the factory and the letter was forwarded to the original builder. He got a very nice reply, partly in English and partly in French and a new set of transfers. The letter said that the shop was closing in a few months time but that the son would be carrying on the business in another location. Can anybody tell us more about who the builders were/are, if they are still in business etc. Thanks, Ian.

   RE:WANTED:   INFORMATION ON A FRENCH CNC posted by Aldo Ross on 1/28/2003 at 3:04:39 PM
See the Classic Rendezvous website:
Andy Farrand writes:
"The company, now defunct, was run by the Fletcher family that had, as I remember it, some Scottish connection to it. The Fletchers, a grand motherly woman, and a younger man (her son?) were the ones with whom I dealt when I had the bicycles made for me in 1961. It was a small shop in Paris that had a small retail trade, but made most of its money making special frames for many of the French professionals that were re-badged after manufacturer with the make of the company that sponsored the riders' teams." (continued)

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   CTA Stem posted by: Rob on 1/28/2003 at 12:58:13 AM
Just picked up a CTA stem in the 'used stem pile' at one of the LBS's,(about $3.50US) nice shape...it looks like a typical early '80's stem...hexhead fittings, standard reach...I haven't test installed it yet. I hadn't heard of this brand before. I note there was a brief discussion on 01/20/03...I figured it was French from the word 'brevette' below the minimum insertion mark...all other words are in English.

Does anyone want to fill me in on this brand (or company)? I assume they're gone now...bankrupt/absorbed by Sachs, maybe?

AGE / VALUE:   leather seats posted by: bob on 1/27/2003 at 11:49:01 PM
I have some leather seats from mid 70s french bikes do they have any value?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   leather seats posted by Warren on 1/28/2003 at 12:39:11 AM
Ideale Modele 80's are good...Modele 90's are better. There are some exotic (Daniel Rebour?) examples but I think they may be earlier. The Adga leather saddles from bike boom Peugeots aren't likely to fetch much unless they are in mint condition and even then...

Check ebay for the high end of the price ranges. Frankly I won't pay much for used saddles unless they are unusual and/or in great shape. NOS is certainly nice.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   leather seats posted by Oscar on 1/28/2003 at 3:54:58 AM
I think Warren's right, though a used good shape Ideale seems to fetch upwards $40 or so. I would hold onto them if the going price doesn't incite you to sell. Someone's going to need them eventually, and $40 might mean $80 10 years from now. I think we're at a pivotal age in lightweight collecting this decade.

MISC:   S10-S dilemma posted by: Lincoln on 1/27/2003 at 9:29:41 PM
Picked up Fuji S10-S in good shape for low bucks at thrift shop. Has nice
leather seat like a Brooks but Japanese. Seems like just
about all parts are original. Wondering if it makes
me a moral monster to take the seat for myself and substitute
another. Also wondering if this is collectable enuf that it
would hurt the value to substitute an ordinary seat. Will
probably try to sell the bike in spring.
if maybe this bike is collectable enuf that value will

   RE:MISC:   S10-S dilemma posted by David on 1/28/2003 at 12:45:50 AM
If you try to sell it to me, I'll want it with that "Belt" saddle. The S10S was a nice package, more than the sum of its parts. Get yourself a nice B17 and leave the Fuji alone. (What size is this bike?)

   RE:MISC:   S10-S dilemma posted by Warren on 1/28/2003 at 12:50:17 AM
Do want you want with the seat. That's the fun part of bike hoarding...I mean collecting.

   RE:RE:MISC:   S10-S dilemma posted by FREEESPIIRIT on 1/28/2003 at 2:01:21 AM
I saw a Fuji Grand Regeal, Regale ? at a 2nd hand store, with an early Suntour Cyclone shortcage rear derailer. On this list or the CR list someome mentioned with high esteem the early shortcage cyclones as being one of the best japanese derailers, in terms of liteness and shifting. The bike isnt that great, it has stamped dropouts and ok components, but to buy a bike for one part seems unfair to someone else.

   RE:MISC:   S10-S dilemma posted by Lincoln on 1/28/2003 at 5:28:08 AM
THe bike is something like 56cm, I recall. Just my size but I don't need another road bike to ride!

BTW, I have an old Cyclone sitting around. Not sure I'll ever be strong enough to
use a small freewheel again.

   RE:MISC:   S10-S dilemma posted by Bryant on 1/28/2003 at 12:43:30 PM
Lincoln, I know what you mean. I always ask myself if the person buying the bike will appreciate the original parts. Unless the person is a collector/avid fan, in most cases it is no. I would take the Belt seat for my use and put a non-descript seat on it and sell it locally. The buyer is happy with a fine bike and you have a fine saddle.
I put a Belt saddle on my commuter (a trek 614). Very comfortable. Keep the saddle, sell the bike.

   RE:MISC:   S10-S dilemma posted by Keith on 1/28/2003 at 4:55:24 PM
I concur on the short cage Cyclone. I have one sitting on my desk right now, along with a similar vintage Dura Ace, 600, and Campy NR (paper weights). I don't have a scale, but the Suntour feels like the lightest of the bunch, and the finish is beautiful. I actually used this one, and it shifted wonderfully, but the drivetrain I was using it with was essentially like new, clean, and freshly lubed.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Varsity on E-bay posted by: Gralyn on 1/26/2003 at 6:26:33 PM
....a Schwinn Varsity on e-bay....currently at $91. I am certainly amazed!!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Varsity on E-bay posted by Oscar on 1/27/2003 at 2:47:23 AM
Well, this one may be worth it. It has downtube shifters, so it's a 66 or older, and it also has the Sprint gooseneck and cranks. The final cool touch is that the saddle looks leather.

Well, you and I can find it for a lot less because we're patient scroungers. Someone who has to have it (lime too!) spent less than $100 before shipping.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Varsity on E-bay posted by Eric Amlie on 1/27/2003 at 5:05:38 AM
I think this bike is a '64 model. According to the catalogs '64 was the last year of the downtube shifter models that was available in Flamboyant Lime. This bike would have the made in France, Sprint leather saddle. IIRC this bidder is the same one who won an auction and paid over $300 for a quite ratty '62 Superior with many non original parts a few months ago. I was interested in the bike also, but not at that price!

   RE: Oops! posted by Eric Amlie on 1/27/2003 at 9:04:10 PM
Lime was still available in '65

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1948 Raleigh Lenton Clubman posted by: P.C. Kohler on 1/26/2003 at 6:12:00 PM
OK... I promise I'll start cycle collector rehab tomorrow...

I bought on eBay (a Buy it Now opportunity too good to miss) a 1948 Raleigh "Lenton Clubman". Four-speed FW hub. GH6 dynohub. Wing-nuts. Replacement Bluemel black mudguards. Looks in very good shape. £130.


But it has been repainted. Colour actually looks somewhat close to original but it needs a professional repaint and new transfers (which Lloyds thankfully sells as a set) which I intend to have done in England before she's shipped to the USA.

So.. a few questions for all you Club bike chaps out there:

Has anyone repainted a Lenton Clubman in what was called "Polychromatic Green" c. 1948-55 and latter referred to as "Lenton Green" post 1955? If so, what brand of paint was used, colour numbers etc.? I have been told that this is the same colour as used in the 1970s as "Flamboyant Green" on Raleigh Choppers. I have a British automobile paint match for that from a Chopper site.

Did these early Clubmans have white lining? Examples I've seen of the early ones (this dates from the first year) do not. Was the head painted a different colour i.e. darker green or black? The catalogue shows something to this effect.

Many thanks for any assistance...

P.C. Kohler, suffering from Lentonitis

[cross-posted on the English Roadster Discussion site]

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by: Bryant on 1/25/2003 at 10:10:30 PM
Finally I found a bike to work on. Bought it from a friend for too much but hey I was desperate. Its a green (what I would call OD green) Raleigh record. As I strip it down I find some inconsistancies and thought I would ask the experts.
The freewheel is a Shimano. Is that original?? I thought it would come with a Maillard what with the Huret derailleurs and shifter. Also at first I thought it had a Brooks leather saddle but upon closer inspection, it is a Wright saddle. Again is that original or a lower end replacement?? Last question is where would I find the serial number and how would that relate to the date of manufacture?? Thanks in advance for the help.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Wayne on 1/26/2003 at 12:39:59 AM
Most older Raleighs have their serial number either on the
bottom of the bottom bracket, or on the upper part of the
seat tube, just below the seat.
Raleigh used a number of different numbering systems. Some
of them are here on this web site. I also have access to a
chart for bikes newer than those covered here, and I am
including in this post.
This was copied from a site called "Retro Raleighs".
Unfortunately it appears to currently be non-functional,
but fortunately I have the info needed.
I have dated several Raleighs using this and it does seem
to be accurate.

1972 - 1980's

In 1972, an entirely different numbering system was introduced for the higher end (531 and subsequently
753) Raleighs. Serial numbers should begin with a "W", which stands for Worksop, the facility that
produced theses frames. This is followed by another alphabet. This alphabet indicates the fortnight in
which the frame was built (i.e. A = 1st fortnight, B = 2nd, etc.). The third character is always a numeral.
It indicates the year of manufacture, the decade being assumed (i.e. "4" could be '74 or '84; it is up to the
interpretor to know enough to tell if the frame is from the 70's or 80's). What then follows is a series of
numbers. At this point, these appear to be some sort of sequence, but this has not been substantiated.

The 531DB Gran Sports built in the early 70's did not have letters in the serial number.
The 753 frames built at the Ilkeston facility have serial numbers that begin with "SB".
The 1973 track frames begin with an "A".
There are several documented cases of '73 and '74 Professionals, Internationals and RRAs with
"A" serial numbers. Let the color scheme, decals and components be your guide.


   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Wayne on 1/26/2003 at 12:45:41 AM
Hi again,
I should also mention that this system appears to have been
also used on "lesser" bicycles but with different letters
being used in the serial numbers. For example N stood for
Nottingham, and R was used for their Canadian made bikes.
Those are the only other letters that were used that I am
aware of, although I am sure there were others.
I hope this helps,

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by David on 1/26/2003 at 1:49:22 PM
Are you sure it's not a Grand Prix? My mid 70s catalog (from just before the big move to Japanese components) shows the GP in blue, red, green, white and the Record in red, yellow, blue, white. GP is pictured and speced w/cottered cranks, Huret Challenger, and plastic saddle. Record has same w/Simplex. I think the Shimano freewheel is a replacement. A Japanese original would have been Suntour at this time. Wright's saddle is probably an upgrade at the time of purchase - same quality as Brooks IMHO.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Stacey on 1/26/2003 at 6:15:44 PM
I too have a Record, Nottingham Multi-Colored Headbadge, Loooooong Huret D/T Shifters, Alvit Rear Derailer, "Thunder Grip" Front Derailer, Nervar Cottered Cranks w/ a three armed Spider to mount the Chainwheels, Unknown Hub & Cluser Set... (Winter is not the time to wash bikes in the Northeast) Unknown S/N for the same reason.

It's a Dark Green Metallic (Olive) too. Another addition to the enigma!

Can't wait for spring to get working on it! Need to replace or straighten the fork (sigh!)

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Bryant on 1/26/2003 at 6:31:20 PM
Bingo Stacey. You described it to the Tee right down to the unkown serial number. Looked in all the right places and nada. Does yours have Altenburger Centerpull brakes also?? It's cleaning up nicely.
Of course now that I have a bike to work on, I find another at a flea market. Nice ladies Panasonic LX 12 speed with Suntour AR derailleurs and alloy wheels and cranks. Got it for $3 because it needed a pedal. Maybe the dry spell is coming to an end.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Stacey on 1/26/2003 at 6:49:52 PM
Ahhhh, the brakes Bryant. Unfortunatly, this has been a major 'kludge' on this bike. The front brake is a "Weinmann Type" center pull. I say Weinnman Type, because I can't remember if it actually is, or if it's one of another maker. But I'm positive it's not an Altenburger. It even has a hooded brake lever still there with a nice hood.

The rear brake is a later "areo" sidepull, complete with a later brake lever... and the obligatory saftey lever HAH! Thankfully, the wrench master that 'improved' this bike left the cable hanger on the seat post. One less thing to scrounge!

Does your bike have an Off White or Cream colored steer tube and a similar colored panel about 6"-8" long on the seat tube?

$3 for a bike with Alloy wheels! Kewl! Parts is parts... the cheaper the better :-)

I passed on a ladies "Rixe" (sp?) last week at an auction. It went to $7 and with only so much money to spend, with designs on other items... I backed out at $5.

If you turn over enough rocks, your bound to find gold. Keep turning rocks my friend, keep turning rocks LOL

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Bryant on 1/27/2003 at 11:57:06 AM
Yea, I have the off-white panels also. I'm still wondering about the freewheel. With Sturmey Archer hubs, and Rigida rims, there are no Japenese parts on this bike. I think I'll go with my Maillard freewheel rather than a Suntour. Just seems right! Good luck to you also!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Jimbo Jones on 1/28/2003 at 7:22:06 AM
Good question about the freewheel. I have a Grand Sports that appears to be original down to the simplex plastic deraileur, normandy hub, weinnman rim, sedis chain and continental white walls ( heck even the air in the tires smells french) yet it has a maeda ( suntour) freewhweel. Could be correct? Help anyone?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Gralyn on 1/28/2003 at 8:55:50 PM
I have a Raleigh Record Ltd. Were these made in Canada? I thought I read somewhere those "Ltd's" were made in Canada...or for Canada? The headbadge says Raleigh, Nottingham, England......but likewise, a Schwinn may say Schwinn Chicago on the headbadge, but have a made in Taiwan sticker on the frame. But, mine has:
light blue, with cream or white color on the head tube and seat tube (not the whole tube - just places)
Weinmann centerpull brakes
Brooks saddle
Rigida Rims, Normandy hubs
...and Sun Tour shifters - not sure about the der.
I can't remember about the cranks...whether they are cotterless or not. I'm thinking they are cotterless.
it looks as if it's all original.
It's in excellent condition for it's age.

I'm guessing mine's about mid-70's - but I'm not sure.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Richard on 1/28/2003 at 11:09:33 PM
I just bought a 58cm Raleigh Record today for $10. Serial# NH4218245, says made in England assembled in USA on seattube sticker; another st sticker I think says 2010 carbon tubing (sticker kind of messed up); headtube badge says The Raleigh, Nottingham, England (bird head type); the bike is white w/orange headtube and stripe around seattube, gold and black stripes and graphics; has a Sturmey Archer front hub w/ silverseal rim, rear is KK inside of crown logo w/ Van Schothorst rim , Shimano 5 spd freewheel(beleive rear is not orig, hub date 88 rim date 91); GB bars; SR stem; Huret stem shifters w/Huret clampon cable stops; Huret frt derailluer, Huret Allvit rear; weimann centerpulls 610 frt 750 rear; weimann levers w/suicide addons; Nervar cottered steel crank tri arm; 95mm front spacing, 122mm rear spacing. It is either a 74 or a 84, just by the crank type and derailluers/cable stops I'd say 74. Rt rear seatstay needs to be straighted a little, but other than that very good condition.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Richard on 1/28/2003 at 11:19:38 PM
OH, serial number is located at the top backside of the seattube.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Record posted by Bryant on 1/29/2003 at 12:29:00 PM
Well I got the manual that went with the bike and the manual says its a 1972. I checked with the original owner and he said he remembers replacing the freewheel because it was giving him problems. Thanks for the help. Good luck Stacey, hope you find out more about your Record.