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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bikes Getting Scarce posted by: Wayne on 3/1/2003 at 1:49:52 AM
For about the last six months there have been many comments
made about how older bikes are becoming quite scarce. This is
also happening in this area (Ontario, Eastern Canada).
I have a small collection of 1970/80 lightweights which I ride
3000+ kilometers per year, and over the last 2 years I have noticed
a definite change in the riding patterns in this area.
Three years ago, almost everyone on the bike trails were on
mountain bikes. My buddy and I were almost the only lightweight
riders. This last season, however, at least 30 per cent of
the traffic was lightweight.
In eastern Canada a new lightweight starts at about $1000
Canadian. I do not believe that the larger portion of these
riders just went out and bought something new.
Also I can tell from the bikes I see that most of them are not
new. These machines had to come from somewhere, and I believe
that many of the "yard sale" candidates are being brought out
and being used.
While it pleases me to see this change in biking mentality, I
do miss the bargains from previous years.
In this part of the world the Spring yard sales have not yet
started. We will see if this trend continues this year.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bikes Getting Scarce posted by Junglejim747 on 3/1/2003 at 4:33:55 AM
Your point is well taken. It is good to see many other cyclers getting into the "road" mood. But I understand what these guys are saying. Unless you happen to find an unknowledgeable sucker... you have to pay the ebay price. Don't hang me so quick. I also look for the deal that the seller has no knowledge of his wares. I'm in the same boat as you. My point is that as long as the seller doesn't decide to become enlightened by e-bay, we can still find good deals.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bikes Getting Scarce posted by Gralyn on 3/1/2003 at 1:13:30 PM
I will be curious to see early this Spring - just how many old lightweights I meet on the road. With the absence of old lightweights available for sale - I would hope to see most of them out on the road.

So far as the bike bargain: For me - I don't buy them to re-sell them at a profit - but rather it allows me to have a great hobby, that I love, and yet remains affordable. But, if the only old lightweights I am able to find happen to be on e-bay, or at the LBS - and at most of those prices - it will greatly restrict my hobby.

I'm hoping this Spring - for some yard sale finds!.....and Spring is just around the corner.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bikes Getting Scarce posted by Keith on 3/1/2003 at 7:33:00 PM
The past two years I've noticed an increasing number of young people riding lightweights from the 80s or so (bikes with downtube shifters rather than ERGO/STI, sidepulls rather than dual pivot, sometimes non-aero cable routing. It seems like the bikes that used to end up at garage sales and thrift shops are now being ridden by the original owners' kids.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bikes Getting Scarce posted by Rob on 3/3/2003 at 6:36:18 PM
I, too, have noted this 'trend' to scarcity in the past year...but I seem to have been on a bit of an accumulation binge up until about last June...maybe I could subconsciously sense something coming...I know I was struck by what I thought was an incredible value for money.

Since last June I've only bought one whole bike, mainly for the parts...a mid '70's Norco product with SunTour barcons, V-GT rear der. and a reasonable (I forget at the moment) front der....yet, this bike had a steel non-cottered crank??? and a very poor quality paint job...I pulled off a small piece of electrician's tape and a chunk of the paint, right down to the bare metal, came with it!!! Price $18CDN ($12US). And the find of the year...for $0...a late '70's, very early '80's Austro-Daimler SLE frame and forks, now almost rebuilt.

Lately, I've been concentrating on components and I have found some nice pieces for reasonable prices...two Campy Victory rear derailleurs for $10CDN ($6.50US)each, various good wheels and hubs...Mavic, Campy hubs, etc...$15 to $25CDN ($10 to $16US) for wheel, hub and tire in good shape usually.... and various other bits and pieces for similar low prices....I seem to have a enough projects to keep me going for a good few years...

Hey, maybe I'm part of the scarcity problem!!!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bikes Getting Scarce posted by Dave on 3/3/2003 at 9:05:55 PM
There is a dearth of bikes @Resale stores here , but garage sales do have a few gems,(always in sizes too big or small for me).Also , several members of my Bicycle Club ride Vintage Lightweights too , esp. in the Winter months. On some Saturdays Vintage bikes completely outnumber New ones!

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bikes Getting Scarce posted by Chris on 3/3/2003 at 9:22:41 PM
Just be sure to be carrying the cash on your person so you can buy it when you walk in and see it there.
Mad money!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Invicta posted by: David Rainey on 2/28/2003 at 9:25:34 AM
Anyone ever heard of a brand called Invicta, Where and when made? I have a frame with chainguard only, no rims, no handlebars,etc. Has rather interesting art deco looking decals. Is it worth the trouble finding prts for it?

AGE / VALUE:Kobe "cobra" road bike posted by: JONathan on 2/28/2003 at 4:10:10 AM
I got to spend about 5 minuts looking at an interesting 10 speed. The headtube has "KOBE" badge. The downtube has; "Cobra" stencil. Tange tubes; Sugino "maxy" crankset; diacomp cp's. Al rims. Is this a brand that was made by a major maker...like "Kabuki" is a brand of Bridgestone, etc.
The bike is light enough. Beautiful craftsmanship. Paint looks new, except it is peeling off the full chromed chainstays where the paint is covering a section of the chrome plating near the BB. I can get it for $25. To me it's worth it just for the SunTour "cyclone V gt" rear derailer, yet I'm wondering aboyut really tearing this one down if it might be a collectible bike. I'd say it's '70's from components. What is the best plan for the bike? It's been at 49.99 for a couple weeks. 1/2 off tomorrow!!
This bike most likely led a boring existence in the back of a garage for 30 years.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Kobe posted by andym on 2/28/2003 at 12:22:22 PM
Hey JONathon,I dont know anything about the "KOBE" name but
Ive seen a number of them over the years during my thrift store searches.All the ones Ive seen were cheap, all steel models but the one you are looking at sounds nicer.Are the frame tubes Tange cro-mo,or hi-ten,and does it have forged drop outs or stamped? Either way,for 25 bucks it sounds like a good commuter or parts bike,I'd go for it.Then again,I can hardly ever resist a clean,alloy component bike.By the way,whatever happened to the Peugeot?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Kobe posted by JONathan on 2/28/2003 at 7:08:58 PM
Thanks, Andym. The Peugeot wasn't on the floor. Maybe (ain't getting hopes too high) it'll be out there today. I used to think about a prospective bike for a day, then go back for a second look. Sometimes let it rest for another day, then return to possibly buy it. NOT now. It's a bit of a hectic scramble to have a chance.
More collectors? Like me, I only have been serious for a couple years and I must have gotten in at the end of the "Golden Era" of collecting, because I've noticed marked increases in prices and greater knowledge of the product at the thrift stores. Outside of the metro areas, I think the stores have more to offer.
The "KOBE" cobra has forged dropouts and it has a sticker stating; "Tange, hi tensile butted tubes". As you said, the price is right for parts, but it is a sound bike, so I always have second thoughts. Thanks.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Kobe posted by Richard J on 3/1/2003 at 6:08:30 AM
My Kobe "Cobra" has a tubing sticker that reads "HIGH TENSION 1020 DOUBLE BUTTED" (TENSION should be TENSILE, of course). Another sticker reads "MADE IN HONG KONG". Suntour GT forged dropouts, nice lugs and clean brazing. Maxy cranks, Diacompe CP brakes, VGT der., Araya 27x1 1/4 presta-valve rims. Absolutely no braze-ons, lotsa clips. The bike rides like my 72 Raleigh Super Course--stable and comfy. I found mine on kerbside trash day. Happy hunting!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Kobe posted by JONathan on 3/1/2003 at 8:41:31 PM
This Kobe cobra is made in Japan, Forged dropouts with integral derailer tab; 42 in. wheelbase and large rake makes for a smooth ride; 25 pounds with air in the tires is pretty light; Tange butted hi-tensile steel tubes; half-chromed fork with flat chromed crown; ornate headtube lugs with tapered points; seatube lug is tapered to a point; seat is "Elina" brand; Sakae "road champion" handlebars; SR (sakae?) stem; Araya 27x1 1/4 schrader rims; Suzue wide-flange hubs with skewers; DiaComp cp's; serviceable rattraps with Christophe toe-clips; SunTour front and rear derailers (Cyclone V gt luxe, rear). The SunTour bar-cons are a nice feature. This bike has fresh looking stickers, too. It must have been "top of the line" model; based on what I've learned about this make so far. Sugino "maxy" cranks with 52/40 chainrings and a 15/32 freewheel! The low gear is a granny.
Just got it going last night after getting it from Sal. Army store. Price; $24.95. What is the weight on yours, Richard? This one could be a good touring bike because the frame is heavy duty. Regards, JONathan.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Kobe posted by Richard J on 3/2/2003 at 5:35:57 AM
Sounds like you found a nice one, JONathan. Mine weighs 26.5 pounds. Seat tube is 23 inches C-T, and wheelbase is 41 inches. The only plaing on the frame is on the bottom half of the fork. The freewheel is 14-28, and the suntour shift levers are mounted on the down tube, but have the ratchet mechanism like the barcons. Elina saddle, SR stem and Road Champion bars, Suzue hubs with QR, MKS quill pedals, VGT rear (not Cyclone) and SL front derailers. I don't know much about Kobes, but would guess that Hong Kong models were lower in the lineup than Japanese ones. Happy cycling--Richard J

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Kobe posted by JONathan on 3/3/2003 at 3:24:04 AM
Yes, it is a SunTour V gt, not the Cyclone. The other bike I have been tuning has the Cyclone rear derailer on it. Rode the Cobra for a few miles after it had a complete overhaul. Took about 2 1/2 hours to do it all. A record for me. It used to take all day.
The 42 inch wheel base and pretty stiff frame made for a comfortable cruise. Handles like my UO-8, only a little less responsive in tight quarters...probably the wheelbase. The Meada "pro comp" freewheel has a 14-32 gear which made for easy climbing. Touring? YES. Commuter? YES. Road race? NO. I'd guess price was around $175, new.
Comparable to my Schwinn Le Tour II. Maybe a little better.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:origin of name "Varsinental" posted by: The Bicycling Guitarist on 2/27/2003 at 8:29:00 PM
Who came up with the name "Varsinental" to describe those so-called lightweights of the 1960's-1970's? I like it. I have a 1977 Sportabout (cheaper Varsity but with tubular forks like a Continental) that I have upgraded with S-6 rims with QR from a 1974 Continental and NOS Weinmann center-pull brakes. Should that be a "Sportinental"? Pictures of its Sportabout days will be up soon at www.TheBicyclingGuitarist.net/schwinn/sportabout.htm with a link to new pictures coming soon after I get it back from the shop (it has been professionally repainted too).

   RE: origin of name posted by Eric Amlie on 2/27/2003 at 9:01:22 PM
I think I heard John E. first use it on this forum. Don't know if he came up with it or got it from someone else.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:origin of name posted by Gralyn on 2/27/2003 at 11:01:46 PM
Hey,I have one of those - a sport-a-bout. It's yellow, and very heavy - like a varsity. I don't hear much about the sport-a-bouts

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:origin of name posted by The Bicycling Guitarist on 2/28/2003 at 11:21:50 PM
Could you take a picture of your Sportabout and send as attachment to my e-mail for me to post on my website? I'd like a picture showing the Sportabout name on the down tube too. Mine was yellow a long time ago, but was repainted red in the early 1980's. Does yours have side-pull brakes, Japanese derailleurs, and bolt-on wheels? Have you upgraded anything? Thanks for posting, and yes, they are heavy. For my purposes that is actually an advantage, more stable for playing guitar as I ride.

   RE:RE: origin of name posted by The Bicycling Guitarist on 2/28/2003 at 11:25:11 PM
I found John E.'s name on a couple of other bicycle newsgroups, and e-mailed him to ask if he came up with the name. If nobody protests, I plan to name my html page "Varsinental" where I will publish the Continental wheels and brakes upgrades to my Sportabout (Varsity), or should I call it a "Sportinental"?

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:origin of name posted by Gralyn on 3/1/2003 at 1:22:12 PM
Just from a little posting regarding the Sport-a-bout has given me just enough inspiration to want to take my old Sport-a-bout and put it back together again. The frame, forks, crank, ders, have been hanging in my garage for a long time. I had no plans to do anything with it at all. But now, I think I will get it running again. I believe I have most all the original components. I will probably upgrade the wheels somewhat - as the original heavy steel wheels (slightly rusty) were painted red and used for a novelty project of a fixed-gear Schwinn.
I will eventually get some pictures of it - I am about to ship my digital camera off to be repaired - then I can get some pics also.

   Sport-a-bout or Sportabout, and how many? posted by The Bicycling Guitarist on 3/3/2003 at 6:33:27 AM
Did the decal on the down tube say "Sport-a-bout"? The only online reference I have found to it does not have the dashes, but I'm interested in what name is actually on the bicycle itself. Also, does anyone have any clue as to how many Sport-a-bouts (or Sportabouts) were made?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Mavic Rims posted by: Junglejim747 on 2/27/2003 at 6:34:46 PM
This is an ad on Harris Cyclery website (Sheldon Brown) for 27" Mavic Rims. Are these good rims for my Gitane Tour de France considering that 80% of my riding is commuting back and forth to work in Orlando... broken glass?
N.O.S. Box section, full ferrules, the Module "E" revolutionized cycling. Similar to the MA2. We're running low on these but still have a few available.
Special: With purchase of each Module "E" 27" rim, we'll include an Avocet 27 x 7/8 tire as a bonus!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Mavic Rims posted by Keith on 2/27/2003 at 7:30:05 PM
Your TDF was spec'd with tubular tires. That means that you can use 700c clinchers, with are essentially the same diameter as tubies. Take advantage of that! The tire selection for 700c is enourmous, and the best quality tires available are 700c. For commuting, my favorite tires are Avocet Cross, which is pretty bullet-proof though they ride like iron, or the Panracer Pasela. The Pasela is lighter, and not as robust, but handles more like an expensive tire. I'd recommend the "tourguard" Pasela, which has a kevlar belt for the glass you mention and is foldable. Both of these tires come in various widths, and I've found the 700 x 32 in both are nice for commuting (the 32 Pasela is actually a 700 x 27). I've always had good experiences with Mavic rims -- I've been using MA3s for my main commuting bike and they've held up beautifully after lots very hard use. One last thing -- I don't think a 27 x 7/8 tire would be the best choice for commuting even if you go the 27" route.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Mavic Rims posted by Keith on 2/27/2003 at 8:14:13 PM
P.S. I'm jealous. Today I rode to work over thick heavily rutted ice in 20 degree weather.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Mavic Rims posted by Junglejim747 on 2/27/2003 at 8:20:36 PM
Man, that is good news. I'm working on this TDF frame as a working bike and to be able to use 700C rims removes a big worry. I have Mavic CPX22's on my Cannondale with 700 x23C Specialized Turbo tires. No flats yet in 2 months of riding about 20 miles a day. My concern with the TDF is that the Weinnman centerpull brake will reach the rim in the right spot. And let's not discuss polishing any of these components!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Mavic Rims posted by Keith on 2/28/2003 at 3:20:18 PM
I still haven't bought that polish, though I may this weekend since I need some epoxy. I've also had good experience with CPX22s, and I believe they are supposed to be stronger than MA3s. Anyway, check your Weinnmans with a wheel in the frame before you build. Weinnman did make a shorter reach version of it's ubiquitous Vainqueur centerpull, and it might not reach the 700s. One more thing -- another tire I have less experience with (one century ride) but has an excellent reputation for toughness is the Continental Gatorskin. I rode the 700 x 28 version, and it can be pumped up to 120psi (the limit on the Cross and Pasela 32s is 90psi). More expensive, but it'll give you a faster, better ride. I've ridden the Turbos as well. I liked them but I don't think they'd be as tough as these others.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Mavic Rims posted by Junglejin747 on 3/1/2003 at 4:53:27 AM
I haven't stopped and bought any polish yet either, I must do that this weekend because my curiosity is about to bust. I must try Chuck's procedure.

I received a second e-mail from Sheldon and he recomended the Mavic "Module E" plus the Continental Gatorskin. (27") I guess that I should take a 700C wheel off my Cannondale and try it on the TDF..... duh... on my end

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Mavic Rims posted by Junglejin747 on 3/1/2003 at 5:12:31 AM
BTW: I started to work this morning @ 7:00. It was a balmy 75 deg. After about 2 miles (out of 10 miles) it began to rain. Needless to say, I had the wet crack all day. I called my wife to bring me a dry shirt but she forgot.. It was OK cause I was about dried out when she arrived at work at 10:00.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Mavic Rims posted by Keith on 3/3/2003 at 2:51:15 PM
I've found that fenders and a rack or Carradice bag are useful on a commuting bike. Since you can ride all year lights are a good addition too.

MISC:You guys need these posted by: Mike P on 2/27/2003 at 1:22:58 AM
Ebay item number 2161996653

I have no connection to the seller or manufacturer.

   RE:MISC:You guys need these posted by Kevin K on 2/27/2003 at 5:38:13 AM
Hey! I've got a set of those in my shed. I found them under my lawnmower after I hit a couple coat hangers with the blades last fall. KK

AGE / VALUE:peugeot road 12 sp. posted by: JONathan on 2/26/2003 at 10:50:33 PM
Lunch time found a Peugeot road bike with Reynolds 501 sticker on the forks. Bike seems sound. Huret "Alvit" rear der./Stronglite headset/Stronglit cranks/Mavic tubulars/Modulo(?) sidepulls. They hadn't put a price, but it will be priced, later. What would be a good price to consider? Anyone heard of a Cobra road bike (Japanese)? It is going for $25 (half-price) on Friday at another store. I don't think this Peugeot will last too long at their usual $49.99 prices for lightweights. The prices have about doubled since this time last year!! What gives? Thanks gents.
PS. Need to know ASAP as I plan on heading back there after 5pm PST. THanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:peugeot road 12 sp. posted by Oscar on 2/27/2003 at 1:06:56 AM
501 on the forks is good. If you need a bike, $25 or $50 is a good price. If you don't need it, get it for $25.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:peugeot road 12 sp. posted by JONathan on 2/27/2003 at 2:49:37 AM
Thanks for the price estimation, Oscar. I went there and it was not on the floor. I hope it shows up tomorrow, but I have a feeling that I'm not destined to own this bike.
They had a shiny UO-8 on the floor for a few days at $49.99, next to a Huffy 10 speed also for $49.99. The "501" bike had a coating of dust and fuzz which masked its quality a bit. It may be less than the shiny UO-8...I hope to at least get to see it.
I think that garage sales are the last bastion for good prices...the thrifts are really ramping up the prices on the bikes. Better weather ahead means garage sales. It's been a long wait. Thanks, again.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:peugeot road 12 sp. posted by Dave on 2/27/2003 at 4:32:00 PM
The LBS in my neighborhood has a Trek on consignment selling for $235, it's made from 501 Reynolds tubing,which is a somewhat lower grade/heavier cromoly popular in the '80's. That price for the U08 is good,I paid $175 for mine,but mine has a cotterless crankset.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:your not dryspelled doomed!!!!!!!! posted by: lukepate on 2/26/2003 at 9:58:47 PM
i've read your recent find's and dis'find's. althought i've been able to get a few quite nice peugeot's in my collection recentaly,for me nothing has dried up'not even the thrift stores. dont be one sided when come's to bicycles .be happy with what your able to find .because i cant find campy stuff or a de rosa frame ' should i wig out?im a happy camping 34 year old dude . bike on!!!!!!!!!!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:your not dryspelled doomed!!!!!!!! posted by Gralyn on 2/27/2003 at 1:55:12 AM
It's just that around here - I used to be able to brouse through lightweights and .....pass up on this Peugeot, or that Schwinn Traveler, or That Raleigh, etc. - trying to get more specialized with what I was looking for, etc. But it's just that lately....there is nowhere near the availability there was just a year ago. Like, I just hit about 10 or so different place - where almost 2 years ago - I would probably have seen close to 30 lightweights total. Well, now.....NONE.

But, I hanging in there - so long as I can keep something to tinker with - I will be happy.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Looking for swap meet listing & New bicycle show posted by: Peter Naiman, Alias- Hetchinspete on 2/26/2003 at 1:29:15 AM
I'm setting up a nationwide list of cycling swap meets and shows and this list will be posted at a few websites. If you have an event coming up your area, and want to see it listed, please send information about the show to me. I'll be posting to this sight for monthly searches for events listings.
A new Cycling event will be starting this year in the Boston, Massachusetts area. It will be a one day event which we hope to build into a two or three day show. This years event will include a morning vintage ride, followed by a Bike Show/Concor and a breakup dinner. If your interested in being on the mailing list, please send for more info. So far we have no site picked, but that will be announced soon as we are searching for a permanant site, if you have suggestion, please email. The site can be indoors or out. The show will be held in mid to late June, possibly early July. More information will be posted soon.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Looking for swap meet listing & New bicycle show posted by Kevin K on 2/26/2003 at 4:02:22 PM
Hi.On your swap meets here are 2 dates for shows. 1) Memory Lane. Friday April 25th and Saturday April 26th. People start showing up on Wednesday and Thursday. 2) Ann Arbor is Sunday, April 27th. Lots to see at both shows. Kevin K

AGE / VALUE:Stolen Hetchins posted by: Peter Naiman, Alias- Hetchinspete on 2/26/2003 at 1:29:15 AM
Passing this email along for a friend in the UK.
Peter Naiman
Boston, MA
Hello All
Please can you look at for a stolen straight stay
21.5" Hetchins, keyhole lugs, finished in green and
the frame number is H12813...

It was stolen in the UK..please contact Len Ingram of
the Hetchins register should you see it


many thanks
Andrew Moore
Wiltshire UK

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:The Dry Spell Continues posted by: Gralyn on 2/25/2003 at 8:33:43 PM
Although I have found a few decent bikes over the past couple months (An RB-1, Technium, Lotus Excelle, and a Schwinn Traveler(for parts)) - I can't help but notice that for the most part - about 95% of the time - there just aren't any bikes out there at all. I have hit many of the usual places - and all the ponds have dried up completely. I can remember about 2 years ago - one particular place - had many bikes - I always had trouble trying to chose which one I wanted - and the selection maintained for quite a while. Now, it's all dried up.

Well, the closest thing I found from about 3 weeks of looking - was a Huffy ladies model - from the 70's most likely - which looked to be the epitome of a really crappy department store bike (no offense - just this bike in particular) with a price tag of $30. If it was $3, there wasn't a single part on it I could possibly use.

I have sold a few of mine - to thin out the herd so-to-speak. (Ross Gran Tour II, Nishiki Sport, Centurion Sport DLX, and maybe a Motobecane Nomade). But now - in all this dry spell - I'm thinking....should I be parting with these bikes? Maybe there won't be anymore to come along. Well, I think I should maybe not sell anymore - until I find more - otherwise, I would run out of bikes to tinker with.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:The Dry Spell Continues posted by Richard on 2/26/2003 at 8:29:05 AM
The owner of the LBS called me up yesterday and asked if I wanted their old shop bike. I said sure I'll take anything. Its a old cruiser frame (all globbed up with paint and stickers) w/ old answer PROFORX MTB supension fork, cruiser bars, schwinn s7rims, a bendix 2spd automatic (kickback) hub w/coaster brake. After looking at a couple hundred cruiser photos I determined the frame is a 1960 JC Higgins/Sears Flightliner (very cool horn/wing shaped rear dropouts). A little TLC and it will make a cool ride.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:The Dry Spell Continues posted by Dave on 2/26/2003 at 5:23:51 PM
I've found a good source w/consignment bikes @Roberts, a neighborhood bike shop.For $175 I found a Orange '73 Puegeot in good condition.I sold 3 bikes that way,(only 1 my size).Ebay is OK, I have a Mexican Benotto 800 in good condition for $125 and a Shogun MTB Frame & parts for $50,but Ebay requires a lot of research & time.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:The Dry Spell Continues posted by Gralyn on 2/26/2003 at 9:20:33 PM
E-bay is good - except for some of the shipping and handling prices. Sometimes sellers have the shipping and handling / packaging charges set so high - that even if you win the bid at $5 - the shipping cost has already paid the price for the bike - considering you could probably find it locally for about 1/2 the shipping / handling charges.

Sometimes e-bay isn't so bad - I bought one bike - and the shipping was around $7 or $8. It's amazing when you consider that things like a small roll of bar tape may have shipping set at $5. - or a water bottle cage....you can win for $1 or $2 - but the shipping is $5. Well, I can stop by any LBS on the way home from work and pick them up all day for $6.

The other thing about e-bay is getting outbid at the last minute. It would be like spotting a bike in the store - walking over to it reaching for the handlebars - and just when you almost have your hands on the bike - someone comes out from nowhere and grabs it just before you touch it.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:The Dry Spell Continues posted by Richard on 2/27/2003 at 1:06:02 AM
Ebay bikes are ok if you are bidding on a bike in your area. You can pick it up and pay cash (no shipping), thats if its ok with the seller. Frames can be less shipping wise but UPS still socks you for a extra weight fee just because the box is large and then gas surcharges ect ect... Parts I've seen sometimes cost more for used stuff then you can get it new on line, shipping included. Sometimes there are large lots of various parts that are a good deal. Bid snipeing sucks, but the rule of thumb is: bid the maximum you think the item is worth to you, and if someone out bids you they paid more than you would have anyway, but bidding that way still sucks. I bought 3 bikes last year on ebay for a total of $6.99, local pickup. All three complete just needed some TLC nothing spectacular but good bikes.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:The Dry Spell Continues posted by Gralyn on 2/27/2003 at 1:58:05 AM
I have won a bike - that I picked up locally. I have also bid on a few that I could have picked up. Yes, it is best if they are close enough - and you can avoid the shipping charges.

FOR SALE:Ebay Super Course w/SA setup posted by: David on 2/25/2003 at 12:02:02 PM
NMA, too tall for me. Nice SC w/AW setup. Can't the FM or AM be swapped into the AW shell? No bids yet.


   RE:FOR SALE:Ebay Super Course w/SA setup posted by Jeff R on 2/26/2003 at 12:09:55 AM
You can put a FW hub into a AW shell. The FM hub is different and will not fit. Im not sure, but I think the AM will fit.

   Ebay Super Course w/SA setup posted by John E on 2/26/2003 at 4:17:12 AM
I did the same conversion (except Coaster brake) on my first Bianchi, and I commuted on an Armstrong 3-speed with the Cyclo 4-cog hybridizer for several years. I would either move the 3-speed trigger to a position just inside one of the brake levers or replace it with a friction downtube lever or barcon, for the ultimate in non-indexed shifting. (Friction shifting an S/A hub is very easy: all the way taut for first, move the lever very slightly for second, a bit more for neutral (very useful with a coaster brake), and slack for third.)

AGE / VALUE:Addendum to the flea mkt post posted by: Ricky on 2/24/2003 at 8:19:25 PM
I stopped by the place again and the owner is still not "in" but I grabbed a couple of pics of the Raleigh and the Magneet. Go here:http://www.pbase.com/image/13621029 and then use the "next" button to view some more.
Thanks, Ricky The "previous" button will show you the pics I got of an old Schwinn at another flea market (also closed)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Addendum to the flea mkt post posted by andym on 2/25/2003 at 5:38:03 AM
Hi Ricky,I checked out your photos.Nice photos but not very nice bicycles.I'm just giving you my opinions on the Raleigh and the Magneet.Both of these bikes are good examples of inexpensive 70's bike boom ten speeds.The Magneet is what looks to be a Dutch brand probably made by Batavus (sp)is my guess.The fork blades on that bike are bent beyond repair.The Raleigh is a bottom of the line model and looks to have had a frame repair done on the rear brake bridge.Both bikes have considerable rust.The seat post on the Raleigh is probably rusted in to the seat tube. I dont think either of these bikes are worth the time or money,but thats just my opinion.I see bikes like these at thrift stores all the time and I avoid them unless they are incredibly cheap and I could use a part or two off them.I would steer clear of these bikes but keep looking,you're bound to find something nice. Oh,also stay away from the Columbia,thats just department store crap.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Addendum to the flea mkt post posted by Ricky on 2/25/2003 at 6:27:46 AM
Andy, excellent points, all. I wouldn't argue with any one of 'em. The Raleigh seemed to have the most potential... it just needs all the steel bits replaced! The problem is this: I went by the silly place before reading your post and bought the silly things...yes the whole blessed lot(!) I just figured, what the heck...fifteen bucks and now I can have my own thrift shop! You're absolutely right about them; The Columbia, I realized after a bit, is sorta tan/grey...but its s'posed to be RED! The paint is that cheap! All the red has completely faded out except under brackets,etc.! Now what to do with 'em? Not to worry, I'll probably tinker with the Raleigh for giggles and the Columbia will get a Krylon job and a new home down at Boy's Haven or some such place. I may part out the Magneet...if I can find a good part on it! Any way...this is still fun!
Cheers, Ricky
PS: Now if I can just find a proper NOS seat post clamp for the Varsity project!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Addendum to the flea mkt post posted by Richard on 2/25/2003 at 7:15:23 AM
Hubs, stems, bars, spokes, rims, et al... Parts is parts!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Addendum to the flea mkt post posted by Wings on 2/25/2003 at 8:26:07 AM
Be careful after awhile you will have a yard full! They mulltiply and they keep one busy protecting them from the elements. What ever you don't want -- keep good parts.

Paint with Krylon? NO!!!! Go to an auto store and get a couple of spray cans of their auto paint! These spray cans are lacquer and dry fast! The spray heads are better than paint from any hardware store! Stick with lacquer and the auto store better spray heads (usually mentioned on the can). They have primer also.

The first bike I purchased at a thrift store (about 11 years ago) I brought home, took it all apart. Sanded, primed, and finish coated with spray can paint (blue from the auto store) and that paint job still looks excellent. Plus, any time it needs a touch up I just bring the spray can out and spray a section.

I have also used HVLP spray outfits and used Imron -- the spray can really did a nice fast job and it still works!

Check "restoration" thread on this site for mor info.

Be careful about collecting!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Addendum to the flea mkt post posted by Donald on 2/25/2003 at 7:21:16 PM
Oh boy. Pickings are real lean in your neck of the woods if you're going to invest any time or money in these specimens.They are just not worth the hassle, the parts you repair the bikes with would be better used on a worthier frame.They are junk, plain and simple, you might pull some nuts, dust and valve caps etc. I used to gather these up and strip them but the boxes fill and you end up having to root through all that trash...just not worth it. Just one more trip to the dump. Start with something nice,end up with something spectacular.Start with junk end up with spray-painted junk.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Addendum to the flea mkt post posted by Warren on 2/26/2003 at 5:01:53 AM
Ah, the voice of experience. It is fine to practice restoration on these b-bikes. You will end up with a "fun" bike to ride around for a season, leave on the porch unlocked or outside in the winter. I certainly went through this stage as do most newbie collecters and restorers.

The bottom line is that a good bike starts with a good frame. Without that, why bother investing the time and money. I've got a few beater frames in my "junk pile" that have only the slighest chance of making it back on the road as a winter beater. I cherish my gaspipe '67 Peugeot AO-8 that is near mint but that is another story. I paid $35 for it but I would never invest the time trying to cobble that bike together out of parts.

But sometimes you need to go through this process. The perceived dry spell of bikes is a myth...there are millions out there...literally. But If it were easy to find nice bikes all the time, everyone would be doing it.

MISC:Frame repair posted by: Keith on 2/24/2003 at 8:06:40 PM
I recall recently someone asked how much it cost to repair a damaged frame. Here's the price list of a local frame builder with a good reputation: http://www.alltel.net/'franklinframe/repairs.html

   RE:MISC:Frame repair posted by Wings on 2/25/2003 at 8:30:06 AM
Keith -- I could not get their with a cut and paste!

   RE:RE:MISC:Frame repair posted by Warren on 2/25/2003 at 2:27:05 PM
Substitute a tilde for the apostrophe...looks like a good frame maker and the repairs are very reasonable.

   RE:MISC:Frame repair posted by Keith on 2/25/2003 at 3:14:40 PM
Franklin is in my neck of the woods and I've seen several examples of their lugged steel frames, and one welded ti. All nicely finished.

MISC:Mystery Bike from western germany posted by: ed on 2/24/2003 at 5:58:31 AM
Hello, I recently purchased an old bike at a flea market for $15. The bike is a red metallic, with light gray thin pinstripes, & it has aluminum fenders, a cantilever frame,(similar to a cruiser, but much lighter) chromed (though peeling off) tank, A ribbed chainguard with a fin on it, a rack with 2 small round "jeweled reflectors" on it, a red & white "english roadster" style seat with saddle bag hooks & what not on it, & some other odds & ends. Anyway, the bike is a 1 speed, with 26 x 1 3/8" rims with new rubber on them (they were already on the bike before I bought it), and the bike as a whole is extremely solid. However, I'm having trouble finding any info on it. i can tell you that the headbadge says "President" on it, & has a Lion breathing fire (almost like the peugeot emblem)on it, against a red & white striped background. On the bottom of the headbadge, which is slightly tarnished, I can barely make out the words "Designed by Scheuer" below that yet is a symbol that looks like an R & a G in a circle. I also know that the rear hub says its a "Centrix model K JRR 304", & it also says Gottschalk- Western Germany on it. The front hub is mfg. by weco, also from W. Germany. The only numbers I found on this bike was "18903" stamped on the bottom of the frame, and this doesn't look like a serial # to me. But I can't find any other #s on the bike. I know that this probably isn't a very popular bike, but if anybody can give my any info regarding this bike, or anything about it, or even point me in the right direction to someone, I would be very grateful & appreciative. Thanks again.

   P.S.- posted by ed on 2/24/2003 at 6:30:16 AM
The rims have vent holes all over the outer area, & are mfg. in Holland by a corp. called "nepper". The code "EQ" is stamped in them. The fenders had red racing stripes on them that are now faded, & the bike doesn't have reflectors in the wheels, or on the front of it. However, there once was a headlight mounted on it. The guy I bought it off of claims he got it used in 1979, but didn't know much else about it.