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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

MISC:   Unusual (Umm!) Lightweight posted by: Ray on 4/3/2003 at 4:18:38 PM
I have in my possession what I would call a lightweight in look only. It certainly would not qualify for that title if you put it to a scale. It is rather unusual and for those into tubing types and quality I will tell you right off the bat we are talking gas pipe stuff here. I have collected many bikes from different genres. From Antique to balloon to muscle bikes, middleweights, BMX and my current focus is on lightweights. I picked this up at Hershey last season because it is part of the line up from a known and desireable muscle bike that I once owned. It is called an Iverson Drag Stripper. To see this thing is pretty amazing. Just like its little brother the 20 inch muscle bike, the top tube starts out normal at the head tube but than continues to expand as it goes way beyond the seat tube and ends like an exhaust pipe just above the rear wheel. It is an ugly light metallic green color and uses an internal 3 speed hub for gearing. All components are cheap heavy stuff but used more for their style than functionality. Not sure how many of you know what I am describing here but thought it interesting for a discussion at least.

   RE:MISC:   Unusual (Umm!) Lightweight posted by Steve B on 4/8/2003 at 7:28:18 PM
Hi Ray,
I have one of the 20 inchers, I didn't know they made anything larger. I'd like to see
pictures if you have any. Also if you have any info as to what parts were right for the
small ones, that would be cool. Mine is a black 5 speed, and needs lots of work. The weirdest thing is the stem shifter, which I think isn't original.

Steve Birmingham
Lowell, Ma

FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Varsity posted by: andym on 4/3/2003 at 1:28:56 PM
I've got way too many bikes,and not enough room.Need to sell 1965 Varsity in decent condition,complete with fenders.I think its about a 22 inch frame,its parked at work so I'll have to check. Anyone interested? I'll let it go for cheap. I would hang on to it,but It's too small for me.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Varsity posted by andym on 4/4/2003 at 2:15:47 AM
Ok, I checked it out and it is a 22inch frame,serial#ka15839.Blue paint,with its share of nicks and scratches but all decals intact.Needs cables,bar tape and the seat is'nt original.The chrome is very good with true rims.I did'nt look,but I think the tires are original.I might be willing to part it out.Also it has "sprint" badged deraileurs,which I believe are sought after by varsinental collectors

      1965 Schwinn Varsity posted by John E on 4/4/2003 at 2:41:03 PM
For the record, pre-1967 Varsities, with Huret/Sprint downtube shifters, are somewhat collectible, unlike their later cousins. If this one has all of its original nonrubber components, it may be worth more intact than parted.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Varsity posted by JONathan on 4/4/2003 at 5:19:27 PM
Keep it (covered with a tarp and chained to a post) for another 10 years. My emotions about Varsities have been all over the place. My current feeling is one that's been distilled from childhood experience to the present decade. They are the "one-ton truck" of bicycles. As a hobby/collector/rider type, I have found the Varsity to be cheap, easy (=rewarding) and pretty fun riding if you understand the performance limitations inherent in a machine built to last a century...or more. Unfortunately for us who need money for more important things, the "cheap" part of my hobby is vanishing. Forinstance, that $7 varsity is now $25. I just checked on a Varsity that was a headache of botched "customization" of all components except the Sprint rear derailer. I mean insane. The shifters had been mounted on the reach of the handlebar stem...pointing straight back at the rider! OK, so I figure this is gonna be my bike. Nope! It's $24.99. This has been within a year's span. I might buy it because it'll be 30% off, next monday. Those frames are unique, and I hope I can collect a few more, before they become out of reach for my budget hobby. Cheers, JONathan

   RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Varsity posted by andym on 4/4/2003 at 7:15:06 PM
I see that there are some of you that have an attachment to varsitys,thats cool.I personally dont have much interest in them. Dont get me wrong,my first "ten speed" was a varsity, I traded my "GREY GHOST" for it when I got into highschool,OUCH!!! I also have two schwinn superiors,which I prefer because they're hand made and they are a true "light weight"with a wonderful ride.I'd rather pass on the varsity to someone who'll appreciate it more.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Varsity posted by JONathan on 4/4/2003 at 8:46:11 PM
Yes, indeed a fine handmade bike is the Superior. I happened to stumble on (before the pros showed up) a near mint condition 1974 Super Sport at a thrift store for the usual $25...same as the varsities and "collegiates". It is the lesser cousin to the Superior, but still handmade fillet-brazed probably by the same workers as the Paramounts and Superiors, I would guess. I understand that they were all on the same "line" up to a point. Whereas the Superiors and the likes are handmade at the other extreme you have the epitomy of mechanized production represented in the varsity. I find appeal in both, not just one. The
price to earnings" ratio of the varsity may prove to be interestingly large as time wears on. I wish there were more Superiors for the budget conscious (I'm a cheapskate) bike afficionado. Is the Superior made with Reynolds 531 tubing? My SuperSport is 4130 chro-mo. My best riding bike is a Giant "nutra" city-bike (they call it) with 622-38. Unfortunately, I have very little interest in it, other than its fabulous ride characteristics. Of course, a bike so mundane is hardly worth mentioning, except its a benchmark bike for me to compare rides. I'm forever vigilent that a Superior will pop up at a dumb low price...that's the fun part. Kind of like fishing, only I don't have to spend a day off to do it.

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Varsity posted by JONathan on 4/4/2003 at 9:08:29 PM
Correction. I believe the Giant "nutra" is called a "hybrid", not a "city bike". It is designed for road use, but it is robust enough to handle occasional rouch surface; the 622-38 are about 1 1/2 inch tires across the bead. I'm thinking about trying them on my Bottecchia (196?) touring bike. They'll fit!
Also, the price to earnings may get interestingly small...not large, I would hope! Cheers, JONathan

   Schwinn Superior posted by John E on 4/5/2003 at 8:32:01 PM
As far as I know, all of the fillet-brazed Schwinns have the same CrMo tubeset.

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Varsity posted by Mo on 4/6/2003 at 4:01:32 AM
Jonathon - Let's not forget the Campy equipped Sports Tourer with the 3 piece TA crank - also in the hand built stable......

   RE: Fillet brazed Schwinns posted by Eric Amlie on 4/6/2003 at 4:33:24 AM
Also the very rare '68 only S/S Tourer and the Sports Limited(I forget the year for this one).

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Maruishi excellence 12 speed posted by: Robert on 4/3/2003 at 4:29:53 AM
Anyone ever hear of these Japanese bikes before? I was looking for a used roadbike and a guy at work mentioned that he has this bike for sale if I was interested. I grew riding up on 10 speed Schwinn's. Anyway my co-worker is only asking $60.00, and I would rate the condition as being an 8.


     Maruishi excellence 12 speed posted by John E on 4/3/2003 at 5:28:51 PM
The marque sounds vaguely familiar, Robert. Please post component, frame material, and other details. If it has nice alloy components and a CrMo frame, it may be worth the asking price, but if weighs almost as much as your old 10-speed Schwinn, I would keep looking for something else.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AMF posted by: moie on 4/3/2003 at 3:09:31 AM
i hope i'm posting in the right forum. i recenty bought a much needed bike at a thrift store. i've been meaning to restore this bicycle to it's original state but i've found no information for this bicycle anywhere. i'm wondering if any of you can help in getting some information on this bike. here is all the information that i found on the bike that's legible.

*AMF Roadmaster
*3 speed AMF
*AMF L.R ARK LO-T633-2-1[I?]3-1[I?]6
*Also there a prominent stiker with the number 26.

thanks. i appreciate the help


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AMF posted by Keith on 4/3/2003 at 3:20:00 PM
I have an AMF 3-speed, a Hercules, that was clearly made by Raleigh Industries. The Sturmey Archer hub gives the aproximate date of the bike (in my case 1970). The Raleigh-made bikes are easy to spot. They're lugged, have the distinctive Raleigh droputs (go to www.sheldonbrown.com and follow links to the 3-speed articles), and parts with the Raleigh logo (Sir Raleigh laying his cape down). If you've got a Raleigh, then you've got a decent utilitarian bike. The Styer-Daimler-Puch bikes are similar, but the quality is not quite as high -- parts like fenders and chainguard are thinner gauge steel. If it was U.S. made, however, the quality will be much lower, unfortunately.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AMF posted by Ron on 4/3/2003 at 11:27:17 AM
I also have an AMF 3 speed, and the info is scarce on them. The L.R.ARK is Little Rock Arkansas, which is where AMF's home office is. The rest is possibly the serial number. If you look on the rear hub, there should be a date code if it is a Sturmey-Archer hub. The year of manufacture will help narrow down who made the bike, since AMF, like Sears, changed suppliers on occasion. Some were made by Raleigh, some Styer-Daimler-Puch, some Murrray and some Huffy.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AMF posted by Ron on 4/3/2003 at 11:27:35 AM
I also have an AMF 3 speed, and the info is scarce on them. The L.R.ARK is Little Rock Arkansas, which is where AMF's home office is. The rest is possibly the serial number. If you look on the rear hub, there should be a date code if it is a Sturmey-Archer hub. The year of manufacture will help narrow down who made the bike, since AMF, like Sears, changed suppliers on occasion. Some were made by Raleigh, some Styer-Daimler-Puch, some Murrray and some Huffy.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   J.C. Higgins 3-speed posted by: Lindell Blackford on 4/2/2003 at 8:22:55 PM
For you J.C. Higgins experts: In about 1958 or so (I was 10) I badgered my dad for an English Racer because a neighbor had one. That Christmas my dad bought for me from Sears a 26-inch wheel fancy J.C.Higgins 3-speed bike which looked like an English racer, hand brakes, red and chrome, skinny tires, no tank, but the memorable characteristic was a rear luggage rack with a small chromed tool box hanging on each side like a small metal saddlebag, and each contained a tool kit. I have looked in many Sears catalogues from that era and have never found that bike. Can an expert out there tell me what I had and any other info about it? I don't remember a model name, I only remember my dad tiring of adjusting brakes and gears (I rode hard) and subsequently having the local bike shop make it single speed coaster brake. My dad called it the "J.C. Junkpile". Thanks in advance. Lindell Blackford

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: J.C. Higgins 3-speed posted by martin on 4/3/2003 at 5:21:01 PM
There is a pic of a Higgins three speed on my site. Hope this helps!

that's a tilde in front of hanczyc

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   J.C. Higgins 3-speed posted by Jimbo Jones on 4/3/2003 at 12:22:29 AM
kinda like the black sears bike here?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   J.C. Higgins 3-speed posted by sam on 4/3/2003 at 1:00:19 AM
Someone here had that bike with the tool boxes.The 1958 J C Higgins L/Ws were European Lightweight bicycles,built in Austra.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   J.C. Higgins 3-speed posted by Lindell Blackford on 4/3/2003 at 4:54:38 AM
Thanks for the replies. I would really appreciate a picture or leads on a picture of this bike. Thanks again. L

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Original Dura Ace posted by: Luker on 4/2/2003 at 8:17:57 PM
Okay, all of you experts out there. I almost have a complete first generation Dura Ace Gruppo together. If you had such a thing, what kind of frame would you hang it on?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Original Dura Ace posted by Keith on 4/3/2003 at 3:31:16 PM
I recently aquired some old newsletters from the racing club I belonged to as a kid in the early-mid-70s. One of the advertisements in a 1974 issue by a lbs was for black Dura Ace stuff being sold as individual components. (The same shop also sold European frames -- Mercian, Jackson, etc.). What I'm suggesting is that since they were being sold seperately from frames, they could have shown up on anything -- I have some recollection that they did (I have a vague memory of seeing a yellow Witcomb with black DA). Still, Kevin's examples have the appeal of matching Japanese frames with Japanese components.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Original Dura Ace posted by luker on 4/3/2003 at 3:31:43 PM
The brakes are hoary old looong reach sidepulls. Drilled levers ala super record. Stem looks like a good copy of a '70's Cinelli 1R...

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Original Dura Ace posted by John S on 4/4/2003 at 3:11:53 AM
I've seen a Schwinn Volare with the early full Dura Ace. Love those high-flange hubs, very pretty!
I purchased a Japanese made Araya with a full groupo (not pillar), mixture of black and aluminum finish. Nice stuff. Believe these groupos were from the 76-78 era.
I'm looking for a high-end Japanese frame to hang my parts on.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Original Dura Ace posted by Warren on 4/2/2003 at 11:18:58 PM
I was asking the same question a month ago because I bought an NOS 70's bike with an almost full DA group on it. The perfect bike would be a high end Japanese frame made of Tange Prestige, Champion # 1, Ishiwata 022 etc. I believe some early Treks had DA groups...I think Paramounts as well. Not a lot of Italian or french bike's went with early DA but there were some...I just can't name any.

You're talking early/mid 70's so your frame wouldn't likely have cable guides for brakes or derailleurs...maybe a stop for the rear mech. Nor would it likely have braze-ons for the shifters.

BTW, I was told a full group would also include...

--bars(yes, DA AX handlebars were made)
--bottom bracket
--top tube brake cable clamps

I don't have the bars or stem.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Original Dura Ace posted by Gralyn on 4/3/2003 at 12:32:19 PM
Would your brakes be side pulls or center pulls?

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Original Dura Ace posted by Kevin K on 4/3/2003 at 1:17:00 PM
Hi. Center pulls came first. Also, not sure on the seat post and stem. A 1977 Schwinn Volare I just bought has a full Dura Ace group and it came factory with SR post and stem. A Panasonic cat. from this same era shows a top of the line Panasonic Professional 7000 with full Black Dura Ace group, but does not inclue seat post or stem. Anyone have a bike with these items on it from the late 70's? Kevin K

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Original Dura Ace posted by Tom on 4/19/2003 at 12:30:37 AM
1974 - 1975 bicycles that came with first generation Dura Ace as original equipment included the Fuji Ace, Kabuki Diamond Road (though it used a Sugino Mighty crankset), Panasonic Professional, and Sekine SHX. Based on ad photos, it appears the Miyata MX-P may also belong in this category. The only European manufacturer I know of that seemed to appreciate Dura Ace at this time was Puch, who equipped the Royal Force with it.

MISC:   PIVO death stem posted by: Bryant on 4/2/2003 at 11:52:18 AM
Hi all, got a question on the Pivo death stem. I picked up a Gitane men's bike yesterday and had a little trouble getting the stem out. When it came out, I noticed the bottom of the stem was permanently pushed out so that the plug went all the in without problem. I looked for a name but there was none, only an arrow sympbol on the upper part of the stem itself. I'll replace the stem but is this a Pivo? If not how can I identify a Pivo for future reference?

   RE:MISC:   PIVO death stem posted by Eric Amlie on 4/2/2003 at 1:22:57 PM
Haven't heard that any of the Pivos were "death stems", but I have heard this about one of the AVA models. The AVA death stem had the clamp bolt positioned parallel to the ground underneath the handlebar. It had a faux lugged look to it. There were other AVA stems with the clamp bolt positioned vertically in front of the handlebar which are supposed to be ok. I can email you a pic of the AVA death stem if you wish.

   RE:RE:MISC:   PIVO death stem posted by Dave on 4/2/2003 at 2:14:09 PM
I heard some of the handlebars were prone to breakage also.I saw one go, it was a motobecane w/alloy bars.My friend was so shook up he sold me the bike for cheap,(my 1st vintage French bike).

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   PIVO death stem posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 4/2/2003 at 3:30:10 PM
If it's alloy or even thin steel it can/does corrode or rust and these do break all the time. There is a bolt and expander stopper thing and this slided in the bottom of the handlebar stem's quill. There is a cut on each side and this "flap" as it were, can/does break off. Especially if it is corroded.
Age, the stress of it being leaned on, a crash, something falling on it, the bike falling over. Some heavy rider leaning on it, a basket mounted on it and then it's loaded down. Especially if somebody raised it too high or higher than the manufactuer thought folks would. Then it's stressed and in time it will break.
The later -day G.B. alloy stems off of 1970's Raleigh's like the Raleigh Record is a good example of a stem that can fail.

Pivo, G.B. AVA. other things too. I have a 1930's French catalog of old French men in this huge factory and they are making cycle parts out of Duraluminum. This stuff failed after a few years. People get hurt, the part fails and they go careening out into trafic.
Watch out for old alloy parts like stems. Examine what you are going to ride on.
At the bicycle shop of today you will find adjustable stems and handlebars and not only is the part safer because it is not corroded but it'll offer a more comfortable ride.

A bike you ride can be modified to suit your taste and comfort. A collectable piece should be kept intact. Or remove the stem, label it and use another stem. When it comes time to display it put it back with the label on it that it should not be ridden.

Take the bike into the shop and tell them you want a new stem and or handlebars and enjoy the rest of the cycle in safety.
This is tricky as many old alloy stems are just fine but things fail without warning and especially if does not show cracks that you can see. People do not remove these stems and look them over before they ride and they should.
This is a subject that you should continue to listen to what other people say on it.
I would ask Sheldon Brown if I were you, and discuss what replacement stems are available. Harris Cycles offers a wide range of parts and they can order and you'll be in good hands with Sheldon and his crew.

   RE:MISC:   PIVO death stem posted by Bryant on 4/2/2003 at 4:26:42 PM
Thanks guys, as always you've been a big help.


   RE:RE:MISC:   PIVO death stem posted by JONathan on 4/2/2003 at 5:11:38 PM
Have you ever noticed the design of MTB stems compared to road bike stems? I worry about "healthy" road bike stems as they really flex a lot when I apply any pressure at all. Why has the road bike stem persisted when it's obvious to me that the slanted design (MTB) is stronger than the acute triangle shape of road stems. My question is: Is the conversion a feasible effort? I don't worry about my Varsity as it looks like a forged steel unit. Yeah!

    death stem posted by John E on 4/2/2003 at 5:31:55 PM
1) I have seen several road bikes with MTB-style stem geometry.

2) Every older mission-critical aluminum component is a "stem [or crank or handlebar or rim] of death." I love my classic European steel-framed road bikes, but each one sports a much newer stem, wheelset, and crankset, for safety reasons. Save and preserve the original components for future collectors or display, but don't bet your life on them. I once snapped a crank at the pedal eye during a hill climb, and I am thankful it was not the stem or handlebar that failed, instead.

AGE / VALUE:   Nervar steel crank - no cotter pin posted by: Mike Slater on 4/1/2003 at 8:46:39 PM
Picked up a Raleigh Super Course MKII this weekend - completely original right down to the Raleigh 27x1/4 tires.

It has a Nervar steel crank, but this is attached to the bottom bracket in the same fashion as a alloy crank. Square tapered BB with a bolt. Hadn't seen this before.

Anyone else have any info on this type of crankset??

     Nervar cotterless steel crank posted by John E on 4/2/2003 at 5:26:44 PM
Yes, I once had a yard-sale 1970s Motobecane with the same crank. The BB and the aluminum 128mm BCD rings are compatible with the Nervar Star alloy crankset. I believe the cotterless steel crank briefly replaced the old standby cottered steel Nervar crank (e.g., Peugeot UO-8), in the days just before alloy cranks approached modern ubiquity.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nervar steel crank - no cotter pin posted by Ian Kersey on 4/2/2003 at 7:14:33 PM

See Sheldon Brown's new Retro Raleighs site: http://retroraleighs.com/super-course.html


Ian Kersey
Williamsburg, VA

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1948 3 speed lightweight female Bicycle posted by: Atoel on 4/1/2003 at 4:33:37 AM
Hello!I recently purchased a 1948 LightWeight female Bicycle JCPenny's 3Speed all original parts in Great condition was garaged.Could someone please tell me what it is worth?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1948 3 speed lightweight female Bicycle posted by JONathan on 4/1/2003 at 5:20:37 PM
JC Penny? Probably a "branded" bicycle. That's where a bicycle company builds a bike for another company. Forinstance, the Schwinn Traveler 12 sp. that I have was built by Panasonic, but it's not called a "Panasonic". That's funky. Well, in your case, I'm speculating wildly here, but Sears had their 3 speeds built by Steyr-Daimler-Puch in Austria and called them Sears or JC Higgins, and that may be the case with JC Penny. Does the hub have "Sturmey-Archer", "333" (shimano) or Komet (Austrian) on the drum? Look on the rims for a marking. Do the brakes have a name stamped anywhere on the calipers? Look on the chain for stamped letters. What about the seat? Try to get more information about the components and someone here will most likely give you a good guess. I had two Sears (competed with JC Penny) Steyr-Daimler-Puch 3 speeds that were very light and well built bikes. The ride can tell me a lot about quality. I have a Columbia that's a tank. Huffy and Murray made bikes for department stores, I believe. If it is Austrian....keep it. They were really a step up from the pack of department store bicycles. Tell us more about componentry.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1948 3 speed lightweight female Bicycle posted by sam on 4/3/2003 at 1:08:13 AM
1948 puts it very early.This might be English(BAS-Hercules-Raleigh,or Phillips)The brand of rear hub will tell a lot.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Carlton Question? posted by: John LaFargue on 3/31/2003 at 11:46:59 PM
I saw an old Carlton in the back of a thriftshop this weekend. It had a Stormy Archer 4 speed (they made those?) rear hub. I think it was stamped 53. It also had a brooks (trashed) sadle. It's in pretty rough shape, but is this something I would want to pick up and restore? I've been looking around the web, but haven't seen much to help me ID what modle this bike is. Any info would be great!


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Carlton Question? posted by Oscar on 4/1/2003 at 2:57:58 AM
Yeah, Sturmey Archer made 4/speeds. I think any lightweight bike from 53 would be desirable. It's a nice find, especially from a thrift store.

   RE:   Carlton Question? posted by Eric Amlie on 4/1/2003 at 1:55:58 PM
You should post this over on the English roadsters discussion area on this site. I'll bet those guys would be able to help you out.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Carlton Question? posted by JONathan on 4/1/2003 at 5:37:08 PM
I'm always looking for the pre-bike boom bikes. They are so funky. People have actually used their hands to build them. You can have 10 in a row that are "indentical", yet each one is slightly unique in its own way. I would restore it. They make great conversation pieces in addition to being something of use for transportation purposes. I hope you went back there and picked it up!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Carlton Question? posted by steve on 4/1/2003 at 5:57:13 PM
By all means go for that one! You just might find you have a 531 frame. The hub will likely be an FW, which is the most common 4-speed. I have a ca. 1975 Raleigh Super Course that I've fitted with an FW, and it's a very fine ride for terrain that fits the gearing.
These internal-geared (very English) lightweights are commonly called "club bikes". The Rydjor Bike Shop website has at least one, and there's an English site called "Ninesprings" that features a 1949 Raleigh "Record-Ace" that will blow you away.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Carlton Question? posted by Chris on 4/1/2003 at 9:09:20 PM
Get up right now, call the thrift shop ask them to hold it for you.
Go right now, put on your coat, lock the door, don't forget your keys, bring you wallet.
Go buy that bike!
Good Grief! It may be too late. Somebody with half a brain( like me!) will grab it. A whole lot of rival bike-ies would grab that bike out from under you.
Carlton made nice stuff a lot of the time and for sure that hub is rare! The trigger and the whole hub. 1953 is early! Before Raleigh got in and muddled it up.
I have an article on Carlton paint and they put a lot of effort into their paint.It was special deal thru Shell oil Co's paint department.
I have detailed notes on this.

The bike most likely is a 531 frame lightweight cycle. This could fetch over 200.00 on e- bay.
Go get it!

Give us here an update after you get back home!

    Carlton posted by John E on 4/2/2003 at 5:38:27 PM
The bike definitely sounds like a collectible, or at least a keeper, to me! 4-speed S/A hubs are rare and fun, even better if you get a very rare close-ratio specimen. Sheldon Brown has alot of good information on epicyclic transmissions.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Hetchins Heaven posted by: John E on 3/31/2003 at 9:33:16 PM
Chuck (or any other So. Cal-based forum regular), are there any plans for a Hetchins Heaven event in Fallbrook this spring?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   LEGNANO INFO posted by: Tom Marshall on 3/31/2003 at 4:46:09 PM
I recently picked up a old, repainted Legnano frame and was wondering if anyone could help me me date it and identify the model and original equipment. The serial number is E02954. It has the Legnano head badge, instead of the decal, so I'm presuming pre 1970? The rear dropouts are Campagnolo, but the front have no name (a replacement fork?). Both sets of dropouts have fender eyelets. The only brazed on fitting is a flat "washer" for the seating of the rear brake. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bianchi Professional posted by: Gralyn on 3/31/2003 at 4:43:35 PM
I recently picked up a Bianchi Professional frame - from 1984. I would like to determine the original componentry that came on this bike - and also what it would have sold for back in 1984. Any ideas where to start?

      Bianchi Professional posted by John E on 4/2/2003 at 5:41:57 PM
Nice find! It sounds like the next step up from my Campione d'Italia, and would have come with a full Campag. NR (SR?) group. The original retail price would have approached $1K.

AGE / VALUE:   Itala bike, circa 1964 posted by: elissa on 3/31/2003 at 12:57:51 PM
I have two Itala bikes, bought in 1964, one male,one female, neither in good shape. Is there a demand for bikes like these? What would they be worth?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Itala bike, circa 1964 posted by Gralyn on 3/31/2003 at 1:40:44 PM
I don't know much about them - but I recently purchased one for about $20 or $25...something like that on e-bay. I guess it depends on the condition - and where your bikes fell in the Atala line. If they are high-end vs. the bottom of the line.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Itala bike, circa 1964 posted by Dave on 4/1/2003 at 3:24:04 PM
Try classicrendevous.com in the Italian section.Also Sheldon Brown @harrisscyclery.com has some info on these as well.

AGE / VALUE:   Frame type posted by: J West on 3/31/2003 at 3:59:01 AM
I have recently aqcuired a lowrider bike. My question concerns its frame. It is very similar to a Schwinn Fair Lady but it doesnt have headbadge holes or a schwinn serial. can anybody help with hints on what type of frame this could be? thanx