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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   Value posted by: Dave on 6/26/2003 at 6:58:47 PM
Hey guy's , speaking of vintage LW's value , I left my '64 coppertone Varsity ,(obtained on Ebay for $38) unlocked on a bikerack in downtown Chicago all day yesterday! Granted, the rack is not near the sidewalk but I was amazed regardless. I bet you a Huffy MTB would have vanished.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value posted by Oscar on 6/26/2003 at 7:34:17 PM
Very lucky, Dave. A good friend had his hybrid stolen, and it was obsessively locked. Some theif could have gotten yours and sold it on eBay for $38!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value posted by Rob on 6/26/2003 at 9:34:09 PM
Yeah...the old lws are largely 'invisible' to most people, but don't push your luck. Sooner or later the right (wrong?) guy will come along, and...

Heck, even if they're locked up the vultures will evenutally strike...a couple of years ago near a transit station, twice daily I rode past a very attractive old road bike...as I recall it was a Kuwahara Olympiad or some such name...turquoise blue with a white head tube and highlights, locked by a white U-lock to a steel fence rail. After about six weeks, I noticed, one day, the seat was gone...I thought "Well, here we go...". Within a couple of weeks it was stripped of virtually all they could get past the U-lock...a further few weeks later what was left was gone completely...likely the Parks Board sending it off to the scrap yard...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value posted by Dave on 6/27/2003 at 3:53:23 PM
Yes , I have a friend named Chris, he has a '59 Columbia 3-speed with peeling housepaint and steel cranks/rims he locks up at the train station. He didn't have it locked one day and a guy took it,and rode it all over the neighborhood. About 3.5 months later Chris was walking down a sidewalk in Evanston,(nearby suburb), and there was his bike, sans rear basket with some broken spokes and rear flat tire! He had the rear wheel fixed and basket replaced and always locks it now.

AGE / VALUE:   How to find them... posted by: Randy on 6/26/2003 at 3:38:33 PM
I stumbled into collecting vintage light weights quite by purposeful accident(now there’s an oxymoron for you but accurate none the less). While disposing of some junk(to me at least) at the local landfill site, I was granted permission to enter the compound where they keep the disposed of bicycles which were slated for shipping to a third world country to be recycled(good idea). At any rate, my look turned into acquiring and I brought home a total of seven bicycles over a two weekend period. I only wanted to have a road bicycle to ride and it did not have to be anything special.

Well, that was then and this is now and I believe that in a few short months I have become a full blown collector. I do not keep all that I find. Some that I find now do not even come home with me. My standards have risen considerably in the past little while. At one point in time, I had over fifty bikes crammed into my little run down shed/garage. I now have about thirty bikes and I am doing my best to down size the group.

Vintage lightweights are really easy to find here in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada. I look once a week at the local landfill site and rarely come away empty handed(last weekend I got a pristine Strong Light cottered crank and rings assembly). The French made bottom bracket is in excellent condition and fits the Peugeot UO 8 French made bicycle that I am refurbishing at this time. Note: While at the dump take the time to talk to other “Sanfords”(remember the TV program). Often times, even though they lack any interest in bicycles at all, they cannot resist the opportunity to take something home that they feel should not have been thrown away in the first place. I have acquired several bikes in this manner and set up a bit of a bike finding network in the process.

I made two good buys and one really dumb one at the local Police auction this spring. Once again, I took the time and opportunity to talk to others and set up a few connections at the event. For what it is worth, one of the people I met there gave me an original early Torpado(I gave him a Velo Sport Folding bike for his collection) in reasonably good condition. He and I have been trading ever since.

Local thrift stores and pawn shops are another source for old lightweights. When I go to these places of business, I leave my name and number in case anything comes available. Repeating visits and expressions of interest will make you known to the owner, increasing your opportunities for success. I also ensured that all of the local bicycle shops were aware that I was interested in the old light wieghts should some come in on trade. This has worked for me already(got a Peugeot UO 10 in excellent shape).

Placing adds on bulletin boards has proved fruitful for me and I intend to employ this technique in different parts of the city from time to time. The one add I did place netted me an extremely original Raleigh Superbe(I know that it’s not a light weight) in extremely good condition.

Finally, a great place to find bikes is in back lanes. Cut out all the middle people and go for a walk. The first time I tried this approach was on a weekend afternoon. I took my two year old grandson out for a walk and low and behold was I pleased. I saw seven old light weights in the space of an hour. My grandson and I go for lots of walks now and I have never failed to see at least one old bike sitting and forgotten by its owner. When I see one that interests me, I simply knock on the door and ask what the person is planning to do with the old ten speed in their back yard(no need to mention money or any offer to buy initially). More often than not the answer I get is “What old ten speed?” More often than not, when their memory kicks in, they give me the bike, thankful to have it out of their yard.

I am new to this game of finding old bikes. I thought that I would share some of my methods with this group in hopes that some of your methods will find their way to me. Happy hunting.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to find them... posted by Rob on 6/26/2003 at 5:17:13 PM
I'm hearing about Peugeot models I've never heard of before...UO-9, UO-10...I do have a CDN made UO-14 (I know this because it's written right on the bike)...I would be interested in knowing which models are French and which were made in Quebec...I think it was sometime in the '80's Peugeot licensed Procycle (I think that's the name) to make Peugeots for the NA market. Except for the UO-14, all my Peugeots are French...What are the differences between a UO-9/10 and a UO/AO-8?

FWIW, I don't like the UO-14...it has some nices components...Shimano Light Action, etc., alloy Rigida rims...but it has a very harsh ride... Is there a quality difference between the French Peugeots and the Quebec ones?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to find them... posted by Gralyn on 6/26/2003 at 5:53:26 PM
I haven't done any networking at all. I think I should, though. I haven't been to a landfill. I haven't walked any back alleys. Of course, where I live (out in the country) there aren't any back alleys. But in town, there are - and most of those - I would not walk down. I have only spotted a couple of bikes outside near where I live. I saw 2 leaning against a small out-building. I saw a kind of celeste green color, and drop bars. I thought of stopping and inquiring - but just never got up the nerve. Then one day, I slowed down and looked really hard....I could see they were ladies frames, and one of them had a basket on the front....so, I'm doubting they are anything worth picking up. Especially in my surrounding area - almost nobody at all ever had any decent old lightweights. Most everybody had Free Spirits, Huffy's, etc. anyway.
Well, after reading your post - I do realize for myself - I do need to get more selective - and I need to broaden how I look for them. Right now - I have about 14 thrift stores in the surrounding areas where I find lightweights. Some stores - I have found lots - other stores - none. I haven't been to any police auctions. But then again, around here - the way people are most of the time - if there was a police auction - you wouldn't be able to get within 2 miles of it for the crowd of people. (it't like people think they will get a seized Mercedes, or Corvette for $100 or something). I have bought a few on e-bay - but then, there's that shipping cost! I think I just need to come up with some networking.....get the word out....then, maybe the bikes will come to me.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to find them... posted by Tom on 6/26/2003 at 6:33:52 PM
Rob, the AO8 was Peugeot's entry level ligthweight during the 70's bike boom. High tensile steel frame with no chrome, steel cottered cranks, Simplex delrin derailleurs, Mafac brakes and wheels with wing nuts.

The UO8 was from the same period and basically the same bike, but with quick release wheels and chrome fork ends.

The U09 was a development/refinement of the U08 that appeared in the late 70's. Very much like the U08 except for a cotterless alloy crank, Simplex alloy derailleurs and (in the later years)Weinmann brakes.

I believe that Velosport, which later became Procycle, started manufacturing the Canadian Peugeots around 1982, but I'm not postive.

I don't believe there is a significant difference between French and Canadian Peugeots. What you are probably experiencing is the stiff ride that manufacturers have designed into the bikes, as the raods got better. A typical 70's lightweight generally had a wide, U-shaped rim with 4 cross spokes and a 27x1-1/4" tire with low thread count and maximum pressure of amount 65 psi. Understandably it produces a soft, comfortable ride. But jump foward 10-15 years and the typical 80's lightweight has a narrow, box section rim with 3 cross spokes and a 700x25C" tire with high thread count and maximum pressure of amount 100 psi. No wonder the 80's bikes ride so much stiffer and harsher.If you fit some wider,lower pressure tires to the UO14, I think you'll find the ride more to your liking.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to find them... posted by Dave on 6/26/2003 at 6:53:52 PM
You have to beat the metal haulers here in Chicago.I usually find a old Varsity every year or so, but now I've discovered one place, a friend bought a U-08 there for $7US.It's a bike processing center for the Salvation Army in north suburban Waukegan,( prices for MTB's are higher).We also have a place in Chicago called Working Bikes,which takes the metal haulers bikes and rebuilds some for oversea charity work and some for resale. It is a great place to find a Schwinn LW, and whatever bikes do not sell go a penny a pound for scrap.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to find them... posted by Rob on 6/26/2003 at 7:07:26 PM
Thanks Tom,

I'll try that, though I've ridden late '80's bikes with narrow rims and high pressure tires...95 to 115PSI...and they felt better than the UO-14, ie, Gardin Ultima, which I love, and Marinoni, which is pretty good but I haven't ridden it enough to make a strong judgment. However, I will reamin open-minded and give it another chance...


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to find them... posted by Randy on 6/27/2003 at 1:13:07 AM
OK, Rob! If you wnat to be just as confused as I am, here goes. To begin, most of the Peugeots that I refer to as UO 6, UO 8, UO 9, UO 10, UO 12 are Canadian made bicycles. The six and the eight are the lowest models finish wise(no chrome on the frame at all). The UO 9's are different between themselves(one of mine has steel rims, handlebars, C/P brake callipers while the other one, a twelve speed, has alloy everything, quick release hubs, more frame chrome and the best ride I have acquired as of yet). I have only seen a UO 12 frame in a persons back yard(I looked with permission and got a pretty good close up which didnt reveale anything special as near as I can recall). Then there is the UO 8 that's different from the other two UO 8's that I have. Now, my UO 10 is a different story(better cosmetic package, Weinman side pull brakes but the same old Carbolite 103 tubing as all the others I ahve mentioned. Are you confused yet? Actually, you need to see some pictures which I havn't taken yet.
Now, let's talk about my French made Peugeots. I am assuming that they are UO 8's but there are differences which are primarily cosmetic(chromed fork tips and seat and chain stays, that kind of thing). And the quality of the finish is poor, compared to the Canadian made models I have. I am not complaining, only making an observation and offering an opinion. They are made of Special Allege tubing, simplex derailleurs, cottered cranks, steel wheels in short nothing really special at all, but that doesn't matter. I just want to give riding one a try and so far I have about eight bucks invested in the one on the bench. I really like the look of the French bicycles and have heard so much about their pleasing ride that I am looking forward to riding the one that I have half finished(mechanically, the cosmetics will come over the winter). It will be nice to compare first hand the difference in feel between the French and Canadian made bikes.

AGE / VALUE:   Sears Hydraulic bike posted by: MC on 6/26/2003 at 5:03:12 AM
Does anyone have any information on this bike? It's a typical Sears issue from the 70s-80s, but what is unique is the single hydraulic brake lever mechanism linked to both the front and rear brake via air lines. It would seem that air pressure causes the calipers to compress causing braking power. Very interesting bike. Ugly lime green and Shimano low end components, but the brakes are quite unique. I've never seen another one like it. Any information would be helpful.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by: melissa on 6/25/2003 at 4:28:55 PM
a friend of mine just picked up a complete Sekine road bike on ebay for $10.

we have had a hard time finding any info. abou tthese bikes, but figured at 10$ and in very good condition, you couldn't beat that.

so anyone here know more about Sekine bikes? what components did they use, etc?


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Oscar on 6/25/2003 at 4:37:46 PM
Sekine was a Japanese manufacturer. I worked on one once, and it was pretty decent among the affordable bikes of it's time (late 1970's). The components were Suntour shifters & derailleurs, Sakae crank, Diacompe brakes & levers.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Rob on 6/25/2003 at 5:19:03 PM
There was some very useful information on Sekine, supplied by Tom, I think,...within the last six weeks or so...you can search back by changing the "count=1" in the URL to something like "7" or "8", maybe...or try using the search engine supplied in this site.

As I understand it, Sekine was (is??) a Japanese company that set up a plant near Winnipeg (Brandon?), around 1973 to get around customs tariffs that where a typical issue back in that era. Sekines are common in the Vancouver area and I would guess elsewhere in Canada...if you are in the US, the bike must have been a stray that somehow wandered south, I don't think they were marketed in the US...one of the regular posters said he has some Sekine catalogs...if you search back you might find his post too...

For you Vancouver "Sekine"-ophiles, there's a lemon yellow, '70's, 5 speed Sekine (Model?) that's been locked to a bike stand on the south side of False Creek under the Cambie St. bridge for at least a couple of months (maybe owned by one of the False Creek 'boat people')...front tire is flat...the SunTour derailleur is one I haven't seen before, and I'm not sure of the model...it is average looking, but the whole derailleur looks like it has a black anodized finish...on second thought, I guess someone could have just painted it...I'll take a harder look next time I go by it ...maybe someone knows what I talking about and can advise. The bike has a flat handlebar setup and a single arm clamp-on downtube shifter...it does have a sort of interesting look...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Lenny on 6/25/2003 at 6:02:03 PM
Hi Rob,

I am pretty sure Sekine bicycles were sold in the US at one time. I seem to remember seeing them at Champaign Cycle (Champaign, Illinois) ca. 1977. They were pretty nice bikes for the money, especially nicely finished. Perhaps some other of our midwestern posters could confirm this.
Regards, Lenny

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Oscar on 6/25/2003 at 8:42:52 PM
When I was working on the Sekine, I noticed a local bike shop's sticker from the Chicago area.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Tom on 6/25/2003 at 8:57:28 PM
I have never seen Suntour parts as original equipment on a Sekine. They appeared to use Shimano exclusively. Their combination of engineering, manufacturing and assembly produced remarkable product, especially in their two entry level bikes.

The entry level bicycle during the 70's boom was the SHA, which used Shimano Lark or Eagle derailleurs, steel centrepull brakes and had a cottered steel crankset. Steel rims with standard nuts.

The next up model was the SHB which used alloy Tourney centrepull brakes and a cotterless, swaged, alloy crank. The wheels had alloy wingnuts. The SHC was identical to the SHB, but was manufactured in Canada, as opposed to Japan. The whitle panel on the seat tube will indicate if it was a Made in Canada model. The SHA/SHC model was the most popular seller and the one I always recommended to friends who were purchasing their first 10 speed. Great value.

There was an upscale SHT model which had forged dropouts, Titlist and/or Crane derailleurs, a forged alloy crankset and quick release wheels with alloy rims. Most people who looked at this level of bike went with something European, so it wasn't a big seller. Their loss!

Top of the line was the SHX, a full Dura Ace model. Very nice. I still have the poster of one hanging in my shop.

Rob has nicely condensed the background of Sekine Canada, so I won't elaborate. Sekine was distributed in the US, but not widely, so they are relatively rare south of the border. Too bad! However, their reputation for producing a quality product made them a very hot bike in Canada and you see them as almost often as you would Schwinn in the US. Personally, I felt the product offered better value than any other brand available in our area (i.e. Apollo, CCM, Jeunet, Peugeot, Raleigh, Gitane). It probably ranks as my second all time favourite Japanese brand, behind Miyata.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Rob on 6/25/2003 at 10:12:11 PM
Gee...they sound a lot more interesting than I thought...I've certainly been aware of them...it seems like forever...I'll really have to pay more attention to them.

Anyway, I went for a run at lunchtime and took a good close look at this lemon yellow Sekine I mentioned above. First, I'm sad to report the vultures have struck...the bike is well chained up, but of all things, someone has stolen the front axle!!!...unbelievable...a $5 part at most??? Now, unless someone rescues it, its fate is sealed...it'll be gradually stripped of whatever the chain can't protect...I guess the 'invisible' old road bikes are only invisible for so long...

The derailleur on this bike has actually been painted black...it's just one of those mid '70's heavyweight, non-alloy (or mostly non-alloy) SunTour GT's...I've got a bunch of them I'll probably never use..they weigh a ton... I was mixed up on the shifter...it's a thumb shifter on the handlebar with a cable running down to a brazed-on cable stop. This cable stop is one side only, and there is no evidence on the seat tube that there ever was a front derailleur...must have been desinged to be a 5 speed. The frame has, at the base of the seat tube, a small, rectangular, gold with black lettering, sticker with the words, "Made in Japan". There is a large sticker at the top of the seat tube with a hard-to-read cursive script. The letters look something like, "Gril--", or maybe, "Giul--", Italian for Julius???

PS...Hi there, Lenny...we haven't heard from you in while...hope the Raleighs are hanging in there!!!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Lenny on 6/25/2003 at 11:16:53 PM
Hi Rob,

I've enjoyed these posts. The bikes I remember seeing at Champaign Cycle were either labeled "Sekei" or "Sekine"; they seemed to sell a lot of them there at the time.

Lately I've mostly been working on and riding Schwinn Varsities, which for me are just great fun (a dream to repair and if you carry them up a flight of stairs you can get weightlifting benefits added to your aerobic workout!) Still enjoy my Super Course however.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by JONathan on 6/26/2003 at 12:06:42 AM
Thanks for the tip, Rob. It is "count=10". Steven and Tom had some great specs. on the Sekine. I just reread the posts. Thanks, Tom and Steven...JONathan

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by JONathan on 6/26/2003 at 12:15:07 AM
Hi, Tom. You must have sent your post, while I was researching that previous "Sekine" thread. What about the "Medaille" (Fr.; medal) model? That wasn't top dog for Sekine?
Is that plant still operational near that river? I got a "Nakamura" that was probably competetion for the Sekines. How does it match up?...Thanks,...JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Randy on 6/26/2003 at 1:33:51 AM
Nice to see someone else with a Sekine. I have had and still have several differnet models. The top of the line model that I ride is set up with Campy Nouvo Record shifters and controls, forged dropouts with adjusters, chrome molly frame tubes, steel wheels... It is a beautiful bike to view, very fancy lug work, quality finishing. In fact the entire bike speaks quality. It has a Medialle head tube badge. It is a really nice bike but I have to admit that my Peugeot UO 9(Canadian made) is a much nicer bike to ride. Still, I think that the Sekine is special and have deemed it a keeper. Good buy on your part as far as I am concerned. I've got lots of spare parts if you need help. You won't find too much information on the internet. This forum is the best source of information I have found so far.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Tom M on 6/26/2003 at 3:08:50 AM
I live in the Winnipeg area and see a lot of Sekine bikes. Most of them are not locked and that is why at our local Police bike auction there has been up to 25 sold for as little as $5 ea. The odd one goes for up to $50 and maybe they are the upper end models. Tom you mention different models, is there a marking on the bike for the model. I had a very tall frame bike a few years back that was too tall for me. It may have been 25". I am 5' 5" so I never rode it. Nice looking bike. I sold it for $50. I will keep my eyes open for these bikes when I am out now that I know a little more about them. I am also going to check with the town of Rivers to see what happened to the factory. Maybe the town archive has some info.
When the bikes hit our market thay were everywhere. At the school where I went there was maybe 50 of these bikes. Before Sekine bikes came out most of the bikes here were CCM single speed bikes, Eatons and Raleigh 3 speed bikes. The local shops did not stock a lot of racers.
A few years back I came across a strange Sekine bike. It was a 20" tire fold up with a 4 speed rear hub. I didn't pay too much attention to it but the hub may have been Simplex. I am going back to see the girl who owns it and find out more about it. I faintly remember a lighting system that was factory installed. I think the bike was made here in Manitoba also.
I do remember almost all Sekine bikes had Shimanno parts on them. I have a wheel set with the alloy hubs and QR levers from a bent frame donor bike.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Tom on 6/26/2003 at 3:19:29 AM
JONathan, the model sometimes referred to as the Medialle, is actually the SHT, which was second from the top of the line. Top of the line was definitely the stunning SHX, equipped with a full Dura Ace group. Near as I have been able to determine, Sekine closed the Canadian factory in 1980, or soon thereafter.

Sekine also made several city bikes and musclebikes. What I listed are the four sports/racing lightweights. If anybody needs further details on the components for the vintage lightweights, I can provide them. The intent of the earlier posting was to provide sufficient info for owners to identify the model.

Lenny, the bike you saw may be a Sekai. However, I wouldn't be suprised if it were Sekine, as the mid-west states seemed to be the region in the USA of greatest penetration. It probably had something to do with the vicinity to the factory. I know that Bicyle World in Anderson, Indiana carried them. But, in general, they are rare in the USA.

Randy, I don't know what your criteria are for a nice ride, but the SHT is definitely more competition oriented than a UO9. The SHT frame geometry and material should provide a stiffer ride, with quicker and more precise handling. The UO9 however, will provide that nice, comfy ride and just about steer itself (in a straight line).

Personally, I have never been fond of the Nakamuras that I have seen. They were the house brand for a Canadian chain of sport stores called Sports Experts. In my opinion, the bikes were poorly designed and the assembly was pretty bad. On the surface they appeared to be a good buy. Generally, all the visible stuff like derailleurs, brakes and cranks were very nice, but they skimped on things like bottom brackets, headsets, spokes and seatposts. That nice Cr-Mo sticker usually only applied only to the three main tubes. In fact, I remember one model that said Tange #5, with "seatube" in very small letters. Imagine that, only the seat tube was Cr-Mo! The frames themselves had poor alignment and I recall several with gaps in the lugs and fixed cups that would loosen because the bottom bracket had not been properly faced. If I saw a Nakamura sitting in the garbage, I might pick it up, but only to salvage some parts.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by JONathan on 6/26/2003 at 5:39:12 AM
Thanks, Tom. I was in Winnipeg, Manitoba once (Pan American Games) and the region was ideal for bikes...although it was summertime. If I go back on a nostalia trip, the prospect of picking up a Sekine (cheap!) is very much on my "to do" list. This Nakamura I have was one that you pegged in an earlier post. You were/are right. The frame isn't great, but the Shimnao "600" group is worth what I paid ($20 at Sal. Army) for the whole bike. I'm using the wheels on a UO-8 restoration-to-ride bike for someone. The SR bars and stem are going on the UO as well as the cranks, if I can find a Sugino S-5 spindle to use with the French BB. I rode the Nakamura a brief time and it was very nice, except the frame is not for a 6-2 person. It is the smallest frame I have ever seen. The top-tube and down-tube look like they could be mitered into the each other inside the headtube! I'd look down and my eyes were on a tangent with the leading edge of the front tire. The craftmaship (your definition) is better than expected from what you have described. The Sekine sounds cool. As for the AO-9 comparison, I have a AO-8 that's pretty stiff and very responsive (mid-'70's, I think) with a welded frame. I can attest to it being a crisp handling ride. It is fast, just not "lightening". I've tricked it with light weight alloy rims and SunTour "cyclone" rear der. The forged dropouts have integral hanger. I like the welded frame as a ride, because it is stiffer, yet I think it seems that a lugged frame would have greater stiffness. Any ideas?...Thanks, again. JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by JONathan on 6/26/2003 at 5:52:42 AM
I meant; "nostalgia"...crazy font! My "AO-8" may be a model called "Iseran", named after some part of the TDF. I believe. Now, there is no readable decal on the top-tube of the bike, but I bought an identical bike that has the "Iseran" decal on the top-tube. I can't tell any difference between the two bikes. I assumed mine was an AO-8, due to the painted forks, but they are beveled, not square. The rake is small and rear triangle is pretty tight. Maybe it's not an AO-8. It is a stiff ride...Cheers, JONathan

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by George Summers on 6/26/2003 at 6:18:01 AM
The Medialle head tube badge may or may not indicate the "level" of the bike. I bought a Sekine Medialle for a friend of mine ($25 at Edmonton Bicycle Commuters) but unlike the Medialle that is described by someone as being the SHT model, supposedly second from the top model, this Medialle is quite different.

It has a Shimano Thunderbird all steel front derailleur and an all steel Shimano Eagle II rear derailleur with a steel cage guard yet, 165mm steel cottered cranks, steel pedals, steel Shimano Hubs with bolt-on axles, steel drop bars, steel brake levers, steel sidepull brakes and steel Araya 26 X 1 3/8 rims (English 3 speed size) with Kenda 26 X 1 3/8 55psi tires.

The only thing aluminium on it is the stem.

The 48cm frame, marked "made in Canada", makes no mention of any chrome-moly but is finished in a gorgeous translucent candy apple red lacquer over a silver undercoat. It glows beautifully in the sun.

Needless to say it weighs a bit with all that steel, but my friend really likes it. Says it's the most easy pedalling bike she's ever had.

I also have a Sekine Medialle (1976) but it is like the SHT model mentioned by Tom.

Someone also posted that the Medialle should be correctly spelled Medaille, which is french for medal, but Medialle IS what is on the head tube badge. So what does it mean??


George Summers

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Tom on 6/26/2003 at 2:14:11 PM
George, THANK-YOU VERY MUCH for your post. It seems to confirm something that I have been mulling around in my brain for some time. The Medialle headbadge is more representative of a specfic time period, than a model.

Regular followers on the Sekine Saga are well aware that I routinely refer the Sekine lightweights by the SHx format designations. To the best of my recollection, there never were names. You can look all over a Sekine lightweight and not find one. The exception was the Medialle headbadge which has appeared primarily on SHT models. Please note that there were "names" for some of the later, non-lightweight models. For instance, there was a late 70's citybike called the GTO. It was ver similar to what your female friend has, but with lots of factory accessories (disc brakes, radio, signal lights, racks and a top tube mounted power shifter).

In fact prior to about 1973, you'd be hard pressed to identify a Sekine. The downtubes were labeled "World's Finest Bicyle". The only place you'd find Sekine written on them was in fine print on the seat tube decal.

Regardless, I'd like to prove, or disprove this theory of mine. I respectfully request that anyone who has a Sekine with a Medialle headtube e-mail me ( marshal1@recorder.ca )with the serial number and date on the back of the crankarms. Sekine used primarily SR cranks and the format should be a two digit year code, positioned over a letter. Thank-you in advance for your assistance.

I don't know the reason or meaning of the Medialle spelling. Perhaps it's French for "medial" or "middle". The mold maker may also have inadvertently transposed the "a" and "i". Or it could be a Metis word, as there were lots of French and Indian mixed marriages in Manitoba and these people produced a lot of "unique" words. But, I'm guessing, and that usually get's me in hot water!

JONathan & Randy, I suspect that anybody who likes the ride of the Peugeot U08/U09 series will find the closest Sekine equivalent is the SHB/SHC series.

Tom M., (cool, another Tom M. besides myself) some, but not all, of the Canadian models did have a model designation on the seat tube decal, in fine print. You are probably better off following my descriptions earlier in this thread. But if you're unsure of any you have/find, please contact me and I'll try to help you out. I would be most interested in any info find about Sekine, if you visit the region of the factory. FYI, the factory was located at Oo-za-we-Kwun, Rivers, Manitoba. Period of operation was June 1973 to appproximately 1980. From what I've been able to find, the factory appears to have been an intiative for the native people, so you may get more results by contacting a native council. Ultimately, I'd like to develop a Sekine website.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Randy on 6/26/2003 at 3:05:36 PM
In a recent comment, I indicated that I liked the ride of my Canadian made Peugeot UO 9 better that that of my Sekine SHT. Tom wondered about the criteria I used to compare the two rides. Simple for me to respond. I am in my mid fifties. Racing is off my list of things to do. I ride about 4,000 miles per year(here in Canada and one month in Jamaica each winter) and I like comfort. The UO 9 tracks like it is on rails. It feels less harsh than does the Sekine when on a bumpy road(they are all bumpy in Thunder Bay). The Peugeot has low gearing making it really easy to pedal. I guess things like this add up to impress me. I do not mean in any way to belittle the virtues of any of my Sekines. I will soon take a ride on a French made Peugeot UO 8. I am interested to compare the ride to the other runners in my collection.

I must agree with George Summers in that the name Medialle does not necessarily define quality level. Presently I have four Sekines, all of different quality levels. The bottom end is not a Medialle. It has primarily cheap components and a diamond shaped head badge with a small diamond like jewel on it(that’s what first attracted my attention to the brand). I never rode any of these bikes. The next model up that I have has the Medialle head badge on it and even these head badges are a little different. I restored a Medialle last winter and the badge indicated Japan/Canada. All others do not give credit to both. The one I restored had a neat little feature that I really like. The derailler controls clamp fits nicely into a tiny heart that has been brazed onto the frame. I have seen one other Sekine like this and that is the sort of thing that speaks to me of pride and quality in construction. The frame and component group are much better than the lower end model just described(alloy center pulls, alloy bars and stem, alloy wide flanged Shimano hubs), however, the frame is nothing special.

My high end Sekine Medialle has it all, so to speak. Very nicely prepared frame, chrome molly main tubes at least, forged and machined dropouts front and back, chromed seat stays, chain stays and fork ends. The lugs are as ornate and nicely filed as any that I have seen except for the three Torpados that I have been luck enough to acquire. All in all, my Sekine SHT(if that is correct) is a very nice bike and I found it at the landfill site this spring. For what it is worth, I have been offered another SHT. The component group is anything but original but the frame and forks are good structurally. Tom, I will be visiting Winnipeg from time to time. Perhaps we can touch base when I am there.

If anyone is interested in my second SHT, let me know. Perhaps we can do some long distance trading.

Now I have one more Sekine that no one has mentioned and this one seems to be really high end. It is a Sekine Toledo. Very light Tange tubed frame. Shimano high end group, 700cc wheels and tires. I have two of these guys and I am not really too interested at this time. I will keep one for the time being but the other is up for grabs. I intend to catalogue all of the bikes that I collect, even if I don’t choose to keep them. When I get to the Toledo, I will pass the information on to this group.

I would like to add one final note regarding the quality of Sekine bicycles. The paint work must have been beautiful when new but most(not all) of my Sekines have badly crazed paint on the frames, perhaps a result of sitting outside in the harsh and terrific climate we enjoy in northern Ontario.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by JONathan on 6/26/2003 at 7:22:15 PM
Thanks, Tom If you are still following this thread, I have another question about my AO-8. A digression, to be sure, from what was a Sekine inquiry, I noticed a Sachs-Huret front der. on my AO-8. The original equip. Sachs-Huret rear der. was a mangled mess along with the rear wheel spokes. I paid $40 at a Sal. Army store for the inoperative bike, several years back. I thought it was some major find...little did I know. My question is: What year would Sachs-Huret components have been used on the AO-8's? If, I presume coreectly, it is an AO-8. Having followed this thread, there appear numerous other models of Peugeot that I never knew existed. That's not surprising to me, as I seem to know less and less, not more and more as I bumble through this ambiguous world of bikes. It is way bigger than I ever imagined. The performance attributes to a person of my mass (220#) seem just about like what I imagine a true lightweight feels to a person of 160# mass. I get way too much flex in my higher quality bikes (Team Fuji, for one example) to ever be a comfortable ride for me...they are quick and manueverable, to be sure. You were describing the "craftmanship" aspect, and I realized that the designed market is very much a part of the product's "craftmanship". My AO-8 (called) handles like a PX-10 ,ight handle for a lightweight rider, or am I all off base. I feel like I'm going to snap the lugs loose on my Team Fuji on a hill climb under maximum compression mode....I dread to calculate the power working the BB, under those conditions. Cheers, JONathan

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine ? posted by Tom on 6/27/2003 at 3:16:34 AM
JONathan, yes I'm still following this thread. My wife thinks I'm spending far too much time on the internet, but if she checks the history drop-down, at least she'll see it is not the type of site normally frequented by middle aged males!

Regarding the appearance of Sachs-Huret derailleurs on Peugeots, I can't give you an exact date, but I know it's post 1980, as that is when Sachs bought Huret.

I'm not suprised that a 220# rider, like yourself, prefers entry level vintage lightweights. Most of the mid price stuff probably rides like a wet noodle! You'd have to spend big bucks to get a light model that would be strong enough. Someone (I believe it was Bontrager) once said, "strength, lightness or cost, choose any two" when commenting on bicycle (frame & component)design. Basically, you can have both strength and lightness, but only with high cost. If you want low cost, you have to sacrifice strength or lightness.

At 185#, I'm no featherweight and even though I'm in my late 40's, I'm still powerful enough to toast most guys that are half my age. If you've been following my postings, you know I've had my fair share of broken equipment over the past 35 years. To which end, I'll say, never go for low cost and light weight, you'll only regret it.

Having said that, current bicyle design has advanced (with a little nudge from mega dollar lawsuits) to the point where catastrophic bicycle failures are relatively rare, regardless of the rider. The designers are getting pretty darn good with the strength, lightness, cost trade-offs. But when we are talking a heavy, powerful rider on vintage lightweights, I'd be going with the strong, inexpensive stuff or, if you can afford it, the expensive, light and strong stuff.

AGE / VALUE:   Centurion by WIndsor? posted by: John S on 6/25/2003 at 3:01:30 PM
Picked up a frameset at a swap last weekend. It looks mostly like one of those Windsor's patterned after a Cinelli. Fork crown is different, it has Centurion stickers, columbus tubing, from early 70's I think. Is it truly a Centurion? The transfers look like they go with the bike and it is the original paint.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Super Sport posted by: andym on 6/25/2003 at 11:52:50 AM
I picked up a nice super sport at a thrift store yesterday.It's built with tange champion #2 tubes.The seat stays are pointed and wrap around the seat lug,quite attractive.The components are as followes: suntour cyclone M-II deraileurs,sugino aero mighty crank and gran compe brake set.The wheels have been replaced with some no-name bike shop replacements but at least they're 700c alloy
rims.The former owner seemed to be fond of leaning it against abrasive objects but there are'nt any dents.All in all,a pretty nice bike.I think I'll keep it.

Oh yeah,japanese made,maybe Panasonic? Cost me $ 9.99 + tax.

AGE / VALUE:   PIECES AND PARTS posted by: Kevin K on 6/25/2003 at 11:47:08 AM
Hi all. I picked up a bike the other day to use as a parts bike. The frame had been repainted and the bike was reassembled with all new NOS parts from all different groups. I've never seen the brake calipers before though and need info on them. They are Campagnolo G.S. sidepulls. Were it not for the fact that they were bolted onto this frame they are basically still new. Can someone please tell me of these brakes and cost when new. Thanks, Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PIECES AND PARTS posted by Tom on 6/25/2003 at 2:18:37 PM
I have a March 1979 issue of Bicycling which tests the "then new" Gran Sport sidepull brakes. The original price was $74.99 US, about $15.00 US less than the Record sidepulls. Reportedly, performance was identical to the Record model and the brake itself was identical with the following exceptions: no wheelguides, black lever hoods instead of trasnslucent tan, simpler quick release, no indent on barrel adjuster, fittings were not as elaborate or well finished.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: PIECES AND PARTS posted by WArren on 6/25/2003 at 5:49:28 PM
I have a pair of them and there are indeed, as Tom says, nearly identical to the Record brakes. There is slight differences in the contouring as well but nothing dramatic.

Be warned, although they do perform as well as Record brakes, that doesn't make them a great brake. They have very heavy return springs and need to be kept clean and dialed in, preferably with a quality brake pad...Matthauser were the best but are difficult to find. Although it is sacrilege among purists, a good pair of Shimano slr levers help alot. Keep the pad surfaces sanded or filed and slightly toed in and you'll have adequate stopping power.

   PIECES AND PARTS posted by John E on 6/25/2003 at 10:03:45 PM
Typical aero brake handles provide more leverage than typical traditional through-cabled handles. Also, those of us with smallish hands have trouble gripping Campag. or Mafac handles with full grip strength; Weinmanns, SunTours, and Shimanos work much better for us.

MISC:   Fixie advice? posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 6/25/2003 at 4:42:11 AM
A while back I started on a fixed gear project and now I'm at a crucial stage--chain line. How do you actually ensure perfect chain line? I've used a 12" spirit level placed directly on the chain, and it shows it to be fairly straight. But what's the real method? I can play with spacing rings between the cog and hub, or flip the S/A threaded cog around, which is kinda neat, as it has a 1/8"dish to it. I can also scrape up shorter BB axles if need be.

When I get done the bike'll have the nickname "Minestrone": An ancient Philips "True temper steel" 10 spd frame, Araya and Ambrosia rims, Suzue and Atom hubs, Exage levers and brakes(are they any good?) 3T stem and bars, cheapo Shimano MTB 170 cranks, and a heavy 3 spd chain. As the frame is a Raleigh product it features a 1" seatpost diameter, but are there any options other than the clunky steel post and clunkier seat clamp?

   RE:MISC:   Fixie advice? posted by David on 6/25/2003 at 10:33:27 AM
www.bikepartsusa.com (and, I'm sure, many others) have aluminum seat posts (both plain and micro-adjust) in many different diameters.

   RE:MISC:   Fixie advice? posted by Tom on 6/25/2003 at 1:31:34 PM
Depending on your resources there are several ways to measure chainline;

1. The simplest way is to stand behind the rear wheel and sight down the chain. Any side to side deflections of the chain leaving the chainring and rear sprocket are suprising easy to see. Using this method you can probably get the chainline within 1/8" of optimum.

2. Remove the chain and lay one end of a 2 foot (or longer)spirit level along the flat outside surface of the chainring. Position the other end close to the rear sprocket. When the level is held fimly against the chainring, the position of the other end, relative to the outside face of the sprocket, will indicate the deviation from optimum chainline.

3. Use a ruler to measure distance from the centreline of the chainring to the near edge of the seatube. Add this distance to 1/2 the measured diameter of the seatube. The resulting number is the front chainline measurement. Now measure the distance from the centreline of the rear sprocket to the outside of the rear locknut. Subtract this measurement from 1/2 the measured distance over the rear locknuts. The resulting number is the rear chainline measurement. The front and rear chainline measurements should be the same.

4. Park and other tool companies have a dedicated chainline measuring device, if you want part with about $50.00 US.

In method number 3, it is better to measure the distance over the hub locknuts than to measure the distance between the rear dropouts with the wheel removed, as the the dropouts are invariably spaced narrower or wider than with with the wheel in place.

In method 3, the easiest way to measure the seat tube diameter, if you do not have calipers, is to wrap a tailor's cloth measuring tape around the tube and divide the resulting number by 3.14. If you do not have a cloth tape, simply wrap a strip of paper and tube and mark where it overlaps the begining the strip. When you remove the strip simply measure the marked distance with a ruler and divide by 3.14 to get the diameter. For vintage, steel frames the most common seat tube diameter is 1-1/8".

Note that method 3 also assumes that the frame is in proper aligned. Method 1 & 2 take frame misalignment into account.

In all the above cases, repeat the process to eliminate errors.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Fixie advice? posted by Edward in Vancouver on 6/25/2003 at 11:57:36 PM
Thanks for the help, gentlemen. I've got a secluded park all picked out for my first try on a fixed.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Fixie advice? posted by Oscar on 6/26/2003 at 3:39:18 AM
You'll get it in a snap - as long as you have a brake. My brother in law just took his first fixie ride on one of my bombers. He took to it immediately!

   RE:MISC: Fixie advice? posted by Warren on 6/26/2003 at 4:17:24 PM
Hey Edward...beware of hitting your pedals on the ground, especially in slow speed turns. You may have to find 165 mm crankarms.That 5 mm makes a big difference. It all depends on the BB height. Good luck.

AGE / VALUE:    Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by: Jimbo Jones on 6/25/2003 at 2:36:39 AM
I probaby should have bid on this.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Oscar on 6/25/2003 at 4:03:44 AM
Another story of not knowing what you're selling. Maybe $33.50 is the going rate for a Varsity, but a ST is a lot more valuable.

Pretty happy bidder, though.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Douglas on 6/25/2003 at 4:52:50 AM
When I present a bike for sale it is automatic to show it right(crank) side out. To photograph a bicycle and ignore this important aspect of the components shows either ignorance of the subject or an attempt to conceal something.In this case I expect it was the former.The poor bidding may have had something to do with the mystery replacement derailler he neglected to describe and photograph.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by David on 6/25/2003 at 10:40:43 AM
There are plenty of people who make money buying good stuff cheap on ebay from people who don't know what they're selling... Then you take good pictures, describe it properly and get a decent bid.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Continental Question posted by: Gralyn on 6/24/2003 at 5:53:39 PM
I spotted a Continental yesterday. I used to have one - but I sold it....well anyway, this one is blue - like baby blue - the frame is not lugged (the one I used to have had a lugged frame).This frame has the big welds...... It's Schwinn everything.....Brakes, stem, etc. It has the one-piece heavy steel cranks, heavy steel rims. It's in great shape. I'm just wondering how old it could be. When did they start making them....that is, set-up as 10 speed racer with drop bars? I really doubt it will be there today - the way these bikes are getting gone. But if it's old enough - I may be interested.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Continental Question posted by Tom on 6/24/2003 at 6:50:06 PM
Gralyn, I believe the Continetal was always set-up as a drop bar racer. I believe that was reasoning behind the name, to market a continental style bicycle (i.e. European racer). I have seen an old Schwinn ad from 1961 showing a drop bar Continental equipped with derailleurs front and rear.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Continental Question posted by JONathan on 6/24/2003 at 6:55:33 PM
It may be before 1970, which would make it cool. The "sky blue" color was available from 1960 to 1970, unless it came back after 1971. I have a yellow 1971 "conti" that's just like a "varsity", except it has tubular forks instead of a forged, one-piece. The "continental" was back to 1960. Check the second letter in the serial number located at the lower end of the head-tube. The second letter is the year designate. Read the chart here and it'll give the year and month. If you have doentube shifters, it's more of a find, although I dig those tractor-lever shifters on the head-set. I mean, whose going to ride the thing as a serious ride, unless...I might consider it for a commuter with a changeout to alloy wheels. I think they are way cool to cruise on. Fix it up and take it for a spin. Mine is moth-balled for it's not a priority fix-up for me. All I need is a collegiate and I have a complete line-up except for the "paramount" and "superior"....JONathan

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Continental Question posted by JONathan on 6/24/2003 at 7:00:23 PM
Gralyn, does it have full chrome forks? The "conti" had tourist and sport models until 1963. Good luck, I hope it's there. You got to move fast on those. Later...JONathan

   RE: Schwinn Continental posted by Eric Amlie on 6/24/2003 at 9:10:50 PM
The "baby blue" color as you describe it sounds like what Schwinn called Opaque Blue. It is a solid color as opposed to the Sky Blue which was candy color. Opaque Blue first shows up for the Continental in 1973. The serial number will pin down the year of the bike.

You say you had a Continental with a lugged frame? All the Continentals from 1960 on up had lugless "electroforged" frames. Schwinn made some Continentals back in the mid-late forties that were 3 speed tourist type bikes. I've never seen one in person, only photos on ebay. I suppose it is possible that these had lugged frames but I doubt it.

If this bike has the shifters up by the stem as opposed to the down tube it is a post '66 bike. One of these just sold for an incredible $411.00 on ebay. It was a perfect condition museum piece though.

   RE:RE: Schwinn Continental posted by Fred A on 6/25/2003 at 2:25:40 AM
JONathan.....I have a few Continentals, the oldest a green 1968 Tourist. It has a chrome fork, but is missing the chrome fenders. All original, including the tires.

Another is orange, 1974 I believe, in beautiful almost new condition. New tires though, as the originals dried out to an unsightly mass of discolored rubber.

   RE:RE:RE: Schwinn Continental posted by JONathan on 6/25/2003 at 6:31:34 AM
Fred, I have a 1968 "varsity" that is green. I sure like the color much more than the yellow 1971 "continental" and 1971 "super sport" and 1977 "le Tour II". They call it cool lemon, but it looks yellow to me. I really don't dig the yellow. Now, that green is nice. My '77 "varsity" is a runner that's stop-sign red. Amazing how the "vars" can be great rides by tricking out with alloy everything and better brakes. I kept the forged steel forks on the bike, which keeps the weight up there. Aside from the plodding ride, the "varsity" and "contis" are very low maintenance. Just oil the chain and air up. I snap up any "varsity" or "conti" I can get for under $50...they are not popping up in the usual markets. What's up with that? JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:RE: Schwinn Continental posted by Tom Findley on 6/25/2003 at 10:44:37 AM
You can determine the year of the bike by comparing it against the specs on Bob Hufford's site;


VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Flying Scot help needed posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 6/24/2003 at 4:25:21 PM
Neither Bob Reid nor Hilary Stone have answered my plea for assistance so I ask here. The party is moving and I need to know what to offer her.
I need to get an idea on what to offer on a 1956/1957
The Flying Scot
track bicycle with inch pitch Williams track crank and an 8 and a 9 tooth skip tooth cog on a double sided B.H. Racelite hub. Italian sew up rims with De-Allasandro tubulars
Lepper saddle # 145 original pedals and alloy post
steel original handlebars, original Singer bottombracket and with original Jack Smith headset.

red, 21 inch, mens frame 8/10 condition wise.
Who is able to examine pictures and advise me (us)
What is charged for an appraisal?
Never seen a Scot so nice before.
serial #222G


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Flying Scot help needed posted by JONathan on 6/24/2003 at 7:21:34 PM
Check the post from 5/02/2003. Check the FS web site, too. I think the one discussed was about $300 U.S....for a '60's version. It was in spectacular condition. I'd pick a number and go from there. Get an idea for what they think it's worth. I would get it for riding, but tandems pose a problem (sociological) for me. Ther's only ONE captain!...Good luck, I hope you get it. JONathan

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Flying Scot help needed posted by Warren on 6/25/2003 at 12:46:17 AM
I get loopy over a bike like that...I'd have no problem with putting down $500 or more. First thing,I'd have to ride it. If I feel good about it, who knows? Market value is probably around there.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by: Gralyn on 6/24/2003 at 2:53:44 AM
I have had a couple of Nishiki's - but sold them. So, today I spot one. It had decent alloy wheels, good tires (actually good - not dry-rotted), Cr-Mo frame, QR - both wheels, Sun Tour, Alloy seat post, etc. But the particular's that made me decide to pick it up were: Sugino drilled chainrings. Would this be original? Or would someone drill all those holes in the chainrings? I have never had one drilled out before....but I have seen them. Also, another particular - the shifters. Amazingly, they weren't stem shifters....they were down-tube. But, instead of the shifters being mounted on each side of the tube, they were held on with a band - and they were mounted on the top side of the down tube - close to each other. I had never seen that before.
Well, I think it will clean-up nicely - and make a decent rider.....but it did feel a little heavier than I thought it should.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by Douglas on 6/24/2003 at 4:14:06 AM
Grayln, operate the rear shift lever.You'll notice that the front lever moves also.This provides the adjustment you usually have to do manually to quiet the chain on the front derailler cage.Nifty.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by JONathan on 6/24/2003 at 4:19:23 AM
Gralyn, it helps to drain the water out of the tubes. Just a bad joke, but I've had some that have had water inside the chainstays and front forks! I've seen the "perforated" rings before in a book. I don't recall it was a Japanese ring, however. The brake levers that are full of holes are a joke, too. You can bend one inhalf without having to think about it. The weight factor is probably due to plain gauge tubes. I get used to turning up the horsepower on those stout runners. You won't notice a problem after a while. Your legs adjust (get stronger) and you wopn;t know what to do with yourself on a 20 pound bike. I about snapped the "allez" in half when I punched it like I do on my AO-8. I like the "Le Mans" with plain gauge tubes. I like it becuase I don't have to steer correct when I hit it hard. Tough as nails bike, too.
What are the brakes on yours? "Super Le Mans" model of Nishiki, is it?...They got it right in the late seventies. Nice dig...JONathan

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by JONathan on 6/24/2003 at 4:30:16 AM
Ah, it was in the title! "Olympic 12". Yes, well that may be a bit of a horse. Built to go off-road, at least the one I have is a tank. It's reg. steel and cottered cranks. It's called; "Olympic". I think that was a funny name to apply to that bike. Maybe they had a sense of humor. The lug work is cool, but it is a load to push. I haven't taken it out on the paths, but a driveway circuit test was all I needed to peg the ride quality. I will say it's a heavy bike built to handle unimproved roads, IMHO.
Yours sounds like a big jump up in ride. I like the self-adjust on the front derailer, but it's just one more thing to worry about. Nice "collectible" attribute, perhaps. Who knows? Might be worth more than the whole bike. Cheers, JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by Gralyn on 6/24/2003 at 11:44:49 AM
I still already had a Nishiki Olympic - I had forgot I still had one....but anyway, it was plain gage steel frame, cottered steel cranks, etc. However, I stripped it, painted it, put a set of alloy wheels on it, alloy crank, (the original bars and stem were alloy) and made it a fixie. It is a light yelloy, with white bar tape and white turbo saddle. It's a really nice-looking bike - and being stripped as it is - it's not too heavy.

I had a Nishiki Custom 12 - plain gage steel frame - but alloy components, cranks, etc. - but I sold it. I also had a Nishiki Sport - Cr-Mo frame, Dia-Compe 500 brakes, etc. It was really nice - but I sold it, too.

The Olympic 12 I have has Tange 5 tubing. What is that? I have never heard of Tange 5. I have seen Tange 2...mabye Tange 3...but not 5. The frame sticker also says Cr-Mo. Yes, the brakes are Dia-Compe 500-type - and the levers are drilled.....but they have the safety levers also. I've seen people remove the safety levers - but the bolt for them remains stuck out there like a sore thumb....Can't you just replace that pivot-point bolt there with the shorter version? I'm thinking you can do that. That's probably what I will do.
Oh, it's a common color scheme - dark red - maybe like a candy apple - with gold on the head badge. Unfortunately, the saddle is shot.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by Tom on 6/24/2003 at 12:19:29 PM
Gralyn, yes Sugino did provide factory drilled chainrings. If you look close, you can tell if it's a factory job by the very even spacing. Also, Tange 5 was their bottom of the line tubeset, in plain gauge. Finally, the red pivot for the safety lever can be replaced with the shorter version. Either Dia Compe or Weinmann pivots will work.

JONathan, the main purpose for drilling brake levers is not weight reduction as you imply, but to provide more grip for your hands in wet conditions. If you have ever ridden a set of those smooth Mafac or Universal levers in a downpour, you'll know that your hands just about slide off the levers. Serrations or some kind of textured surface help, but perforations work best. However, I do agree that some designs went a little too far with the perforations and left the brakes feeling spongy (pun intended)!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by Dave on 6/24/2003 at 1:59:22 PM
Are the deraillers Sun Tour? A friend has a early '80's Schwinn Le Tour with those levers, but the prior owner replaced the rear derailler with a Shimano Exage. Another friend has a Nishiki Mariner that he replaced the Sun Tour 7 model rear derailler, freewheel with the Shimano "Megarange" 6 speed with a 34 tooth bailout gear. It is most likely straight gauge cromoly,(has those lame stem shifters) but he likes the ride and it was a $30 garage sale find.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by Rob on 6/24/2003 at 4:42:51 PM

I haven't yet encountered an Olympic 12...but I have seen drilled-out Suginos quite a few times on what I think of as fairly average bikes...was that a marketing gambit?? I also have a Norco Triathalon (basically an above average Kamamura(sp?)...read Nishiki...product for the CDN market...I think I have that all straight??)...with those shifters on it. As Sugino, Dia Compe and SunTour were the basic component expectations for what sounds to me like an early to mid-80's Nishiki, it would not surprise me if it is all original. Here's a link to a site that might help you tie it all together, based on the date of manufacuture of the various major components:


   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by Gralyn on 6/24/2003 at 5:20:23 PM
Well, wouldn't you know it - I spot another Nishiki Olympic 12 today. I have never seen an Olympic 12 until yesterday - now I see another one today. At first, it appears to be the same - same color scheme, etc. But, I notice the rims....steel....and very rusted. I don't even remember about the cranks - I don't think I even looked. It was a 25" frame.....too tall for me...and I already have an abundance of tall frames. I did notice the shifter was the same - and the seat post was the same. But being too tall, and with very rusted steel rims....and the same price as the one I picked up yesterday....I certainly passed on it.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by Mike Patterson on 6/25/2003 at 12:27:51 AM
I have a Nishiki Continental Touring bike "designed by Norco' on the chainstay and it has drilled rings including a tiny granny gear and the shifter you mentioned. It also has a three wheel rear derailler.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Drilled Crankset on Nishiki Olympic 12 posted by Warren on 6/25/2003 at 3:01:59 AM
That three wheel rear derailleur is likely the Suntour Arx or Cyclone...a fairly rare touring model for wide ratios. Keep it.

WANTED:   Information posted by: Don on 6/23/2003 at 7:05:52 PM
I recently purchased a bike at an auction sale and need some information to determine what make/model it is.
*chain guard is chrome with the word "Liberty" on it
*emblem/decal is statue of liberty
*serial number m4 5010X3522675 (not positive on m)
*fenders are chrome and frame is dark brown/black
I would appreciate any information. Thanks...Don

   RE:WANTED:   Information posted by Don on 6/24/2003 at 12:25:48 PM
I made a mistake, the emblem/decal is a torch and it says Chicago Cycle Supply Co.

   RE:WANTED:   Information posted by Ken on 6/24/2003 at 2:22:03 PM
Don, you may be on the wrong page. If your tire width is greater than 1-1/4, move to the balloon/middleweight forum.

   RE:WANTED:   Information posted by sam on 6/25/2003 at 2:06:27 AM
I'm told schwinn produced most of the Chicago cycle supply bikes.Liberty sounds like one of there badges.If a L/W bike I'd check it to see if it's a schwinn.

WANTED:   WANTED: WANTED: Schwinn Paramount 30's/ 40's TRACK posted by: ron on 6/23/2003 at 11:12:25 AM
any condition

WANTED:   WANTED: Schwinn Paramount 40's 40's TRACK posted by: ron on 6/23/2003 at 11:10:44 AM
any condition