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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Varsity posted by: Steven on 7/18/2003 at 3:23:21 PM
First, thanks to everyone for their helpful hints in the past.
My question regards the Schwinn Varsity I just acquired from a thrift store. It is a cruiser type with padded seat and chrome fenders, it also has stem mounted shifters, it is a ten speed in dark brown. Itlooks to have been rarely ridden and in wonderful condition.
I am trying to determine the age, I looked for the serial number under the crank housing and got: MPD and under that 6869, from what I could determine from the Schwinn serial number data base, does it sound like a Dec. 1978 bike to you all?
Perhaps I am not looking in the right place for the serial number, please correct me if possible.
Thank again,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Varsity posted by Dave on 7/18/2003 at 4:47:51 PM
Try looking on the rear dropout ,(left one) or next to the head tube badge for the serial#, if yours was a '78 it would be there.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Varsity posted by Kevin K on 7/18/2003 at 8:57:13 PM
Hi all. Whether it be a Varsity, a Speedster, a Breeze or a Collegiate I love the way that entire line of bikes look with chrome fenders. I picked up a nice 1967 Collegiate this morning in Radiant Coppertone. Yea, it's a real girl's bike but what a little gem when she's detailed. But at 45 plus lbs it'll probally be ridden very little until cooler weather gets here. Enjoy the Varsity. Kevin

WANTED:   Handlebar water bottle cage posted by: David on 7/18/2003 at 11:25:51 AM
Anyone know of a source for the waterbottle cages that hook over the stem and hang in front of the bar?

   RE:WANTED:   Handlebar water bottle cage posted by Walter on 7/18/2003 at 1:00:13 PM
I too would like to find a source for such bottles so I hope that someone has an answer.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Handlebar water bottle cage posted by Dave on 7/18/2003 at 4:49:10 PM
www.harriscyclery.com has these.

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Handlebar water bottle cage posted by Oscar on 7/18/2003 at 9:14:33 PM
Minura (sp?) also makes these. If your LBS doesn't have them, they can order. It makes for a nice vintage look, but it may "pee" on you on a bumpy road if you're using a beat up bottle.

   RE:WANTED:   Handlebar water bottle cage posted by Smitty on 7/19/2003 at 12:07:52 AM
Got me thinking of handle bar water bottle cages. If anybody is still useing TA brand DO NOT put extra large water botles in them it will brake them were they conect to bracket I broke 3 of these things back in the early 90's. Back then I could get them for about 10$ now NOS ones are going for 50$ I still have 2 left. Its a shame it took 3 to figure this out. I could be wrong but why risk it.

     Handlebar water bottle cage posted by John E on 7/19/2003 at 12:53:34 AM
I am still undecided on this one. Handlebar mounted water bottle(s) would be period-correct for my 1959 Capo and would eliminate the need for a potentially paint-scratching (or, worse, decal-scratching!) set of clamps on the downtube, but I do not want to hide that great-looking nickel-plated scripted headbadge.

   RE:WANTED:   Handlebar water bottle cage posted by Smitty on 7/19/2003 at 2:18:07 AM
I am wondering now how far back does the chrome style TA handlebar botle cages go. I would think it would coincide with the soft plastic water bottle. The metal water botles would not work in them

   RE:WANTED:   Handlebar water bottle cage posted by Tom on 7/20/2003 at 1:12:40 AM
John E., I realize this would not be correct for the era, but have you considered mounting a cage on the back of the saddle? This would prevent marring that gorgeous frame and preserve the steering characteristics, which are affected by a handlebar mounted bottle. Personally, I'd rather mark a couple saddle rails instead of a handlebar.

Smitty, I have a museum photograph of Bartali's 1950 bicycle and it shows a chrome steel, clamp-on cage with a lip to retain the bottle, similar to the TA design. It does not show a bottle. Other pictures, such as Coppi's 1953 Bianchi, show downtube cages with sping clamps and metal bottles. Either the TA design goes back to at least 1950 or the museum blew their research, big time!

   RE:WANTED:   Handlebar water bottle cage posted by Smitty on 7/20/2003 at 6:29:54 AM
Im with Tom on this one clamping anything to these old bikes is a scary thing the chrome on the seat rails is tough and wont easily damage.
About plastic water bottles I just asumed metal bottles would not work in TA cages. Has anybody tried this combo. Those old alloy bottles with the corks are cool.
I have only seen alloy bottles in sping type cages.
Also does anybody else have any thoughts on why TA cages break

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   jonathan posted by: mark on 7/17/2003 at 10:49:55 PM
jonathan, the kia is in pretty good condition it was shedded for about 15 years only had to replace tires and tubes all decals are good,even has a decal on it when it was made and year,its white with 27 inch rims its pearl white almost my favorite bike to ride! do you see a lot of 10-speeds around where your at? thanks mark fun talking to you have a great day

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   jonathan posted by Patrick Gabriel on 7/18/2003 at 4:38:40 AM
UNM should be sued for a million, stalking encompasses much rapist violence, out of new mexico, none outside of Cruces should be trusted, my family members, should not trust hardly anyone at least, Mexico is what it is all about, the job stealers, should replace wages, sorry for the message, with so much stalking, I did not sexually abuse a woman as routine today, this stalking side did, some coincidence, two names, brothers middle and first. Well, stalking should end, outraged at violations again. Mexico is where it is all at ; I should be paid for egregious acts, in Roswell, in Albuquerque, comfortably move to El Paso, or Las Cruces, or to Mexico, away from the rapists of carreers, and in this economy as well. This is what needs to be discussed, not more stalking as a routine, and the crums, that do not pay for crimes. I will sign out of this board, for the abuses of stalking, again, this side, will not allow someone to enjoy life, all can be taken up with who the stalking rape side loves to call and terrorise with, the police

AGE / VALUE:   Benotto 750 posted by: D. C. Wilson on 7/17/2003 at 9:40:48 PM
This Benotto has a five speed rear derailleur and a single ring in front. Did Benotto one make a really cheap line of bikes? Everything is cheap on the bike, but the frame which looks decent and has pantographed seat stays. Shed light if you know anything about this model. TIA

    Benotto 750 posted by John E on 7/17/2003 at 11:14:50 PM
Yes, Benotto made a range of bikes, from cheap to quite good. Many older Italian bikes are worth upgrading, because the frames tend to be better than the components.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Benotto 750 posted by sam on 7/18/2003 at 4:43:25 AM

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just a Thought - Something to ponder posted by: Gralyn on 7/17/2003 at 8:14:16 PM
I had a thought - just something to ponder over concerning lightweight bikes. OK, I have a wheel with a 7-speed cluster...and it was different from my older stuff - and I was trying to figure out how to get it off.....well, I looked up some Sheldon Brown articles - and I think I know now - how to do it. But, I happened to think.......

OK, bikes - back in the old, old days were just a single speed, fixed gear. There were 2 speeds, 3-speed hubs, 4, and even 5-speed hubs. I have seen older bikes with a 4-speed cluster. I have an old Gitane with 3-speed cluster. And for a while - most were 5-speed clusters.....then they went to 6-speed clusters......then, 7-speed clusters.....then 8-speed clusters......go to you LBS now - and they are 9-speeds.....and I am pretty sure...there are 10-speed clusters now........OK....so where is all this going??????? Will it just keep on and on?????.....OK.....what.....a 30-speed cluster? Or, will there be some new technology we haven't even thought of? Will there be a reversal? A lot of people are interested in fixed gear these days....maybe the trend will start to reverse? Back when there were 6-speeds...and they were going to 7.....why didn't they just jump to 10?
......something to think about.....

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just a Thought - More to ponder posted by Corey on 7/17/2003 at 8:48:41 PM
Well, Shimano has a patent for a 14 speed cassette...
Campagnolo has had a 10 cog cassette for at least the last
four years.

In the old days (i.e. pre-1937 Tour de France),
they put a fixed cog on one side of the hub,
and a larger numbered freewheel single cog on
the other. Then when the mountain climb rolled around, they would pull the wheel and reverse it with the smaller gear to go uphill with.
That courtesy of Tour boss Henri Desgrange,
who disallowed the derailleur until then.

I just read of a racer (in a new history of the Tour de France) who experimented with a 7 speed freewheel in the 1940's by welding two more cogs to a 5 speed.

As an aside, check out the Campy Only site, there
is a picture of the Campy prototype electronic front derailleur and the battery pack for same on a Tour de France race bike. Modern electronics and technologies
is where the direction will be.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just a Thought - Something to ponder posted by Tom on 7/17/2003 at 9:45:16 PM
MAVIC marketed an electronically controlled derailleur in 1994 and 1995. A servo motor actuated the derailleur, which was powered by batteries in the handlebar. There were two small pads with an upshift and downshift button that could be located anywhere of your choosing. It died, not because it wasn't good, but because MAVIC decided to all their effort into marketing their line of wheels and rims.

Personally, the Holy Grail of bicycle gearing is an infinitely variable system. The only reason for more gears is to make the steps smaller between the high and low gears. Ideally you want a gear for any imaginable situation, which an IVS would provide. It's been tried several times, but a truly practical system has yet to be found.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just a Thought - Something to ponder posted by Randy on 7/17/2003 at 11:13:03 PM
I have a twenty seven speed bicycle and I love the gears, all three or four that I use. I have a few vintage ten speeds, and I love the three of four gears I use on them, too. But you know what? If I thought that I could build the best multiple speed gear set yet, Id probably give it a try. It's a good thing that Mr Campagnolo thought this way or we wouldn't even be pondering this issue. It's simply the challange. The need to answer, "can we" sometimes gets in the way of "should we".

   how many gears? posted by John E on 7/17/2003 at 11:20:04 PM
On a road bike, I can use at least 13 different gears, covering a 2:1 range of ratios in 6% increments. (This is analogous to the modern 12-note tempered musical scale, which covers a 2:1 frequency range in 6% steps.) I do not need increments much finer than 6 percent, but I do need at least a 2:1 range, preferably a bit more. Offroad, I need an additional 5 to 8 ratios at the low end.

I have a 12-speed road/cyclocross bike, two 14-speed road bikes, an 18-speed road bike, and a 21-speed mountain bike. On each one, I can identify at least 1 or 2 "missing" ratios, despite my best efforts to avoid redundant gears and to provide a smooth ratio progression.

   RE:how many gears? posted by Gralyn on 7/18/2003 at 3:09:22 AM
I have a couple road bikes with 7-speed cassette. I have a 52/40 and a 52/39 on the front respectively. I use mostly the middle gears - except with I come to a hill...then I end up on the small chainring and on the lowest gear in the rear.....and it can still be a strain. Unfortunately, the cranks are not set-up for a 3rd chainring. I do have a couple Schwinn Travelers I ride a lot. I have added a 3rd chainring on each of them (I had the bolt holes there available). I even have some hills I will go down to the 3rd chain ring. I really, really like having a very wide range of gears. For me, that's the best. But, if I lived somewhere in the flatlands - or at the coast - one gear would probably be plenty!

   RE:RE:how many gears? posted by Corey on 7/18/2003 at 5:21:34 AM
The other, not so obvious reason for more gears, is that
shrinking the physical distance between each cog makes for
a faster shift, hence making indexed shifting less
problematical (and for that matter friction shifting
was made faster as well).

All have had the experience of moving a friction shift
lever to the next lowest cog, past it, then recentering the
derailleur over the cog.

The old 5 speed cluster took a longer throw of the lever
between each cog as opposed to a six speed that had the
same distance between the high and low cog, and
so on. As a result indexed shifting became more practical
and accurate. The smaller distance also made the number
of cog tooth jumps smaller, in turn allowing the indexing
to work better by not having to move over too wide a
range on each jump.

If you ever try to customize a Shimano cassette by
making, say, a jump from a 19t to a 23 or 25t you'll
discover this.

Whether you like indexing is another issue, but the
tech guys figured out that they could do this, and
then the marketers figured out that if 7 were good,
8, 9 and 10 gears were better.


   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just a Thought - Something to ponder posted by Gralyn on 7/18/2003 at 11:56:32 AM
How about an electronically controlled deraillieur - which is activated by torque feedback from the cranks....or a pressure transducer on the pedals?

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just a Thought - Something to ponder posted by Warren on 7/18/2003 at 12:42:49 PM
Automatic shifting bikes will never be appropriate for humans. Sure, 500 hp engines in F1 race cars are now automatic but engines don't get physically and mentally exhausted. I would hate to be told what cadence to pedal at.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just a Thought - Something to ponder posted by Walter on 7/18/2003 at 12:59:06 PM
I do have a modern bike that is 9X3 and I find all of those gears interesting but I don't use many of them. A semi-modern Colnago is 8X2 and seems to have the best range for me except when I tackle one really big bridge on the way to the beach. However, that's probably a reflection on how much time I've missed riding due to surgery and whatnot.

As has been mentioned here before in a similar discussion multi-cogs (I'm sure we'll see a move to 11 since Shimano is debuting its 10 speed at the Tour) are good for the racer as you can get a wide gear range w/o having to use the front changer. Front changers are stil not as trustworthy as rears and a chain coming off at the wrong time can cost you a Yellow Jersey. Just ask David Millar (though he was going w/o a front changer at the time, I've been told).

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just a Thought - Something to ponder posted by Gralyn on 7/18/2003 at 2:54:33 PM
Has there ever been 4 at the front? Rather than the usual 2, or 3? I have thought about that. But, really, I think you could put between 8 and 10 on the rear (with a wide range) and just have one on the front (not a 52....but a more medium range gear) Then, you could eliminate the need for the front der. altogether.

   electromechanical derailleurs posted by John E on 7/18/2003 at 3:05:11 PM
Manual electronic shifting has one huge advantage over cable-controlled shifting: control switches can be wired in parallel, at multiple positions, such as on the drops, on the brake hoods, and on the tops of the bars. With the wires routed close to the bars and the frame, such a system would also have a slight aerodynamic advantage over SIS or even Ergo.

Another interesting benefit of an electronically controlled front derailleur is that it could easily be programmed to feather its cage position automatically during shifts across the rear cogs. A servo-controlled rear derailleur could automatically fine-tune the position of its jockey wheel under the selected cog, reducing friction and running noise. Electronic control of the derailleur cage's wrapup torque would make it possible to maintain constant chain tension over the full range of chainring and cog combinations.

   1xN gearing posted by John E on 7/18/2003 at 3:07:54 PM
A 2x7 system (with the cross-chain ratios avoided) will give you better chainlines than a 1x10.

Lacking a front derailleur cage, a 1xN system may need some sort of chainguard to keep the chain from falling off the chainwheel during a rapid change across the rear cogs.

AGE / VALUE:   German-built Bikes posted by: Rob on 7/17/2003 at 5:15:58 PM
In the last few weeks I've seen a couple of low end 1970's "ten speeds", made in Germany. The first one I saw was a "Drei Stern" (their logo is three red stars), with Ballila brakes and Simplex Prestige 'Delrin' derailleurs. The bike appears to have been built in Bielefeld, a city in the eastern part of Westphalia. The other bike is a "Pinarello", a sticker at the base of the seat tube says, in English, "Made in W. Germany". The brakes are Weinmann 800; I haven't seen 800's before. The derailleurs are Huret Allvit. Rims steel, but I forget the make.

Pretty well basic bikes, but I'm always interested in finding out about brands and models I haven't seen before. Anyone want to fill me in on these bikes in particular, and German bikes in general?

     German-built Bikes posted by John E on 7/17/2003 at 11:13:02 PM
As you have already discovered, German bikes are very rare in the U.S. During the late 1950s through early 1970s, Austria exported bicycles [Steyr-[Austro]Daimler-Puch, Capo] to the U.S., while Germany exported automobiles.

Classicrendezvous.com lists 5 German marques, including Adler ["Eagle"], Bauer, Diamant, Durkopp, and Stollenwerk. In the 1930s, Adler had an interesting 3-speed sliding-gear transmission in the bottom bracket.

   RE:  German-built Bikes posted by Fred A on 7/18/2003 at 2:47:40 AM
Well, add a sixth to the list.......

I have a 10 speed road bike made in Western Germany with the name "MONTARINO" on it with componentry from France (Simplex, Nervar) and Italy (Ballia). 27'' steel wheels with Wing nuts. It even has cable routed through the frame from front to back for wiring up lights!

This is the only one I have ever seen. Anyone else have one???

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   German-built Bikes posted by luke on 7/20/2003 at 8:05:16 PM
dont forget ''luxus'' brand made in west germany.i have one
more of a ballon tire bike that i need to restore soon.
from the 1950,s im sure.

   RE:RE: German-built Bikes posted by b on 9/28/2006 at 4:28:14 PM
HaHa, I was just asking the same question. Do you know anymore about them?

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Breeze, His & Hers posted by: Wings on 7/17/2003 at 2:49:33 AM
His and Hers yellow Schwinn Breeze (3 speeds) pair is now over $200! Wow, things are changing!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Breeze, His & Hers posted by Wings on 7/17/2003 at 2:57:13 AM
The above link did not work!
Go to Ebay and write: "Schwinn Breeze". 13 hours left.

A LeTour was going for a good price also. It seems like what was common a while back is now increasing in price.

AGE / VALUE:   1974 Raleigh team pro posted by: Graham on 7/17/2003 at 1:09:20 AM
A few daysago I found a '74 Raleigh pro team frame and fork in a used shop, cheap... what i can't figure out is that the top tube says neither raleigh or team on it (as is usual) it's simply red, and the down tube says T.I. Raleigh and not just Raleigh. The frame is identical to a '74 team pro: campy lugs, dropouts, and bottom bracket, and the deatiling, chrome approaching the dropouts and on the fork, is perfect. What is the history of this frame? The raleigh catalogs don't show anything exactly like it, nor does retro raleigh. Does anyone have an explanation?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1974 Raleigh team pro posted by Tom on 7/17/2003 at 3:08:55 AM
I assume you checked the serial number against Retro-Raleigh to confirm it was 1974? The distinctive feature for the Pro and Team Pro in 1974 were the fastback seat stays. If it has this feature the simplest explanation is that the frame was re-painted in the 80's and the owner used the, then current, TI Raleigh decals on the downtube. Maybe he could not obtain or didn't like the top tube decals. You don't say if the fork and seat tube decals are present, or if the head tube is yellow? If not, it provides further credence to this theory. If they are, it could still be a good re-paint or partial re-paint (top and down tubes only). However, a partial re-paint should show some paint mismatch in the region of the seat lug and bottom bracket.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1974 Raleigh team pro posted by Graham on 7/17/2003 at 4:15:40 AM
Tom, thanks. It does not have fastback seat stays, but the head tube is yellow. also, no decals on the fork and and seat tube. This whole thing is really strange.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1974 Raleigh team pro posted by Tom on 7/17/2003 at 1:51:08 PM
More than likely, it is a repaint. Unfortunately, it is also not a Pro/Team Pro, if it is a 1974 Raleigh, as it does not have the fastback stays. The other 1974 Raleighs with Campagnolo dropouts were the International and Competition. Both used the same frameset. Some of its distinguishing features were ornate Capella lugs, seat stays that wrapped over the top of the seat lug, a curved cable stop brazed between the seat stays and cablestops/guides brazed under the top tube.

The other possibility is that it is an 84 model, as the date code format would be the same. However, an '84 model would not have eyelets on the Campagnolo dropouts and would have the cable guides brazed to the top of the top tube. It may, or may not have brazed lever bosses and engraved seat stay caps.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1964 Bottecchia 10 Spd posted by: David Chapman on 7/16/2003 at 9:41:31 PM
I have a 1964 Bottecchia that I am restoring. I need lots of help as I have not been able to find standard crank kits or what came standard for wheels and gear componets. Any help would be much appreciate.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1964 Bottecchia 10 Spd posted by JONathan on 7/17/2003 at 3:53:56 AM
Cool bike. Mine has 70mm BB, so I used a Sugino s-5 spindle. Measure the BB, length across the openings. If you get 70mm, then you need the longer spindle. They are VERY robust frames. Mine is not much original; The stem and bars are Carnielli, probably the only original component. I wanted functionality, so I went with SunTour components and Weinmann "Vainqueur"s. Not a great handling bike at slow speeds, in and out, but in open road, I can pass anyone! They flat out "fly". Like a P-51 Mustang, very forgiving at higher speeds, but a bit difficult near the lower end. Around here, my Bot is pretty unique. Good luck fixin' er up. JONathan

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1964 Bottecchia 10 Spd posted by JONathan on 7/17/2003 at 4:44:17 AM
I recall replacing the whole BB with a Sugino set! The original cups were tore up pretty good. I ran for a couple years with a horrid noise emanating from the BB and transmitted right through my shoes! I think about $30 is what it'll run. Remember, you're dealing with R/R threading, too.
The fixed cup has to be tight or, as I found, it'll work itself loose just when it's least convenient to fix...like on the road. I have no idea what the torque was that I put on the right-side cup, but it was definitely not the "two-finger rule". Interesting thing about mine; there isn't a speck of rust on the frame where paint has chipped off! The steel is like stainless or something. It isn't the rust magnet that you'd expect from raw frame tubes. I'm sure this one was a touring bike, with fenders (I threw them out!!, itiot that I was). There's lots of room for those big ole 28's under the forks. Good luck, JONathan

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1964 Bottecchia 10 Spd posted by SAMUEL on 7/17/2003 at 7:20:56 AM







   French and Italian BBs posted by John E on 7/17/2003 at 5:14:22 PM
I always use LocTite when assembling an Italian or French threaded fixed cup; they are indeed self-loosening.

   RE:French and Italian BBs posted by JONathan on 7/17/2003 at 7:59:22 PM
Loc-Tite, yes, I was going to suggest that, but I had never used it on a BB, before. Thanks, I was wondering about the prospect of removal without applied heat. Now that I know it works, I'll try some. Fortunately, the requirement of removing the fixed-cup only comes around in a blue-moon's period. Of all the repairs that I can do, that is the least favorite to attempt.
BTW, make sure, you get the "Italian thread" Sugino kit! The threads are different from Brit./ISO.
Ah, the fun of it. I keep in mind that no matter how badly I mess up a bike (vintage LW's), it can still always be made right.
Good luck, JONathan

   RE:RE:French and Italian BBs posted by Ron on 7/18/2003 at 9:51:54 AM
Make sure that the Loc-Tite is the BLUE variety, which is removable. Red Loc-Tite is meant to be permanent. They make other colors, but I don't remember what they are used for.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   10-speeds posted by: mark on 7/16/2003 at 8:32:07 PM
jonathan thanks for the info greatly apreciated let me know if you need any 26 inch rims i can get quite a few of them. also just got 4 more 10-speeds huffy,kia ,flying o do you know where there is a serial number chart for these. thank you mark

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   10-speeds posted by JONathan on 7/17/2003 at 5:21:49 AM
Glad to be of some assistance, Mark. Thanks for the offer on the 26's. I have neglected the 3-speeds, this summer, in my furious effort to get a few derailer road-bikes restored in the few open bits of time that I've had to myself. The only 3-sp. that I ride for real is a Raleigh "DLT-3" with 700c road tires. As for the Huffy charts, I wouldn't have a clue. If you look at components, the approximate date of the bike may be determined. What is the KIA like? Sounds interesting. Cheers, JONathan

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Texas Rangerette posted by: Jennifer on 7/16/2003 at 8:04:30 PM
I'm looking for some information on a Texas Rangerette bicycle. Anyone with any information such as age, value, etc. would be helpful.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   informaton on amf hercules male posted by: John &Paula on 7/16/2003 at 5:10:51 PM
we would like information on a bike we have.It has written on it Guaranteed English Light Weight 33o316.It has a chain guard.It also has AMF Hercules,Birmingham England.Any info would be greatly appreciated.Thank you PAJLarralde@aol.com

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   informaton on amf hercules male posted by John&Paula on 7/16/2003 at 5:27:46 PM
The#'s posted are incorrect it should be serial#3303161

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   informaton on amf hercules male posted by Gralyn on 7/16/2003 at 7:34:41 PM
Check the archives on this site. Also, check on ClassicRendezvous.com. I think Hercules goes back to the 30's or so. I believe that in 1960 they were absorbed by Raleigh.....I think also Raleigh / Hercules bikes were distrubuted by AMF....something like that.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   informaton on amf hercules male posted by Ken on 7/18/2003 at 4:13:07 PM
I've seen both Hercules- and Raleigh-built AMF 'genuine English lightweights'. But I didn't get close enough to the Hercules to see whether it was a threaded driver hub. My guess is probably not- anybody know?

AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by: Gralyn on 7/16/2003 at 11:56:19 AM
I found a Jeunet Mixte......sometime over a year ago. I first stripped it of all components, cleaned and polished all the components - and packed them in boxes. I hung the frame in the garage. Fairly recently, I took down the frame, cleaned and polished it - then re-assembled it with the original components. When I had first packed away the components - the idea was that I could find a men's Jeunet frame - and put the components on it. Well, I haven't seen a Jeunet anywhere. Not even on e-bay.......until last week! There was a Jeunet frame up for auction. I won it! (of course, the shipping is more than the price of the bike frame - that's just how it goes much of the time).

I think there is at least one other person here - who has a Jeunet. Is there anyone else who has one?

I will soon have an available Jeunet Mixte frame - if anyone is interested.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by JONathan on 7/16/2003 at 7:35:45 PM
I posted my Jeunet back aways and subsequently was dropped an e-mail about the historical presence of the make in the U.S. My recollection is that they were very good quality for the price. Mine is stuffed away in original condition for a later project. It was a source for conversation while it was parked on the porch. It was shortly after that, when a Roold 10 sp. (French) came up for sale at the local Sal. Army store. When the two were situated side-by-side it became obvious what differences there are between thoroughbreds and cow-ponies. Each has their place wherein their respective designs excell. The Jeunet would make a great commuter and all-around cruiser. Your posting has rekindled my interest in my Jeunet, as I have little occasion (or desire) to bust myself on the "road racer" mounts. Just too doggone hard-riding are those thoroughbreds, like the Roold. 20mph in comfort is plenty fast for what I'm into. The Jeunet might be worth getting out for a long cruise to the beach. Gralyn, the kind chap who let me in on the Jeunet history, had nothing but good things to say. Nice find. I can spec. mine out for you, if you want.
I'd guess mine is a bike-boom (early on) offering. JONathan

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by Gralyn on 7/17/2003 at 3:38:48 AM
The "Roold" sounds interesting. I am always looking out for unusual and rare makes. However, most all of what I find is the Japanese bike boom brands - which I guess were hundreds - but I can pretty-well tell if it's a Japanese bike boom bike. Anyway, I do look out for the unusual stuff - hardly ever find it though. Still haven't seen another Jeunet anywhere around.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by JONathan on 7/17/2003 at 8:24:29 PM
Gralyn, I know nothing about the outfit making the Roold's. Whereas I have relatives all over the Brit. Isles, I have no one to reach on the continent! Finding out about French bicycles, other than the big makes, has been very spotty; little bits here and there. Like; "Oh, yeah. I think a friend had one of those"; and "Sounds familiar, but I can't remember anything"...stuff like that. My wild guess is that in France and Italy, there were a lot of independent makers that put out quality bikes. Most, probably stayed on the continent. Next time I get to France, or Italy, I'll try for more information on these unusual makes.
My Italian Maino is really unusual...here. Maino was a famous maker, but nobody here, except a friend who was born in N. Italy, had heard of Maino.
You are right about the Japanese bikes. There were lots of different names, but I wonder how many (percentage) were actually built by major companies.
Post how the Jeunet rides. Nice get...JONathan

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by Gralyn on 7/18/2003 at 3:14:47 AM
Oh, when I get the frame - and get it built-up - I will give updates on it....and even pics.

I just had a wonderful fantasy: I could imagine going all over Europe looking for old bikes much as I do here....Checking thrift stores, garage sales, etc. looking for the unusual stuff you've never seen here....and stuff that was never imported here. Maybe someday.

AGE / VALUE:   Legnano????? posted by: Keith on 7/16/2003 at 4:29:07 AM
Ok, my agency gets donations of bicycles quite frequently. Normally it's the normal fare, Huffy, Murray etc. etc. However someone donated a Legnano. I'm positive it's from the 60's or early 70's. It has a Legnano decal on the headtube, not a badge, mostly Campy components except for the cranks which are Sugunio and the rear derailuer which is Suntour. It's a ten speed and is all friction, the hubs are oilers and I think the bb is also, but I've not looked. It has the telltale Legnano reverse seatpost binder under the seatube so I think that makes it before Frejus merged wth Legnano.

Can someone give me an idea what the cost of this rig would be? Our non-profit could use the money more than let our clients ride the bike. Besides, it has sew-ups and noone here has the foggiest idea what to do with those except me. Many thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Legnano????? posted by Tom on 7/16/2003 at 11:49:15 AM
Keith, the presence of the headtube decal with the unique seat cluster narrows things down to the early 70's, possibly very late 60's.

Legnano is one of the most collectible margues. If the condition is reasonable and it is one of their better models, you should easily get several hundred dollars, even with non-orginal cranks and derailleur.

However, Legnano also made inexpensive bikes and these do not fetch nearly as much. The presence of Campagnolo and tubulars does not necessarily mean it is a good model. The low end Campagnolo was atrocious and found on bikes selling for under $100.00 during the 70's bike boom.

If you can send me pictures, I can help identify the model and set a value. If you can't get pics, we can still do this via more detailled descriptions of the frame and components.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   mens 1960 8 speed varsity posted by: Dave on 7/15/2003 at 5:53:13 PM
Hey everyone I have a mens schwinn 8 speed varsity on ebay right now....It's rough but its all there except the shifting mechanisim.....email me if you want the link or just serch yourself........thanx Dave

    1960 8 speed varsity posted by John E on 7/15/2003 at 9:51:24 PM
Complete and in first-class condition, that would be the Holy Grail of Schwinn "lightweights"!

   RE: 1960 8 speed varsity posted by Wings on 7/16/2003 at 6:33:27 AM
The serial number given on Ebay could be a 1950 number or a 1960 number according to my serial number book from Antique Classic Bicycle news. I do not know what was made in 1950 but in 1951 the Continental was being produced according to James Hurd in Collectable Schwinn-built Bicycles.

The head badge has the little wings which I have never seen on a Varsity. I have an 8 Speed Varsity that was produced in the first two months of Varsity production and it has the regular oval Schwinn head badge.

I wonder if the Ebay bike is an earlier bike? What years was the winged Schwinn badge used by Schwinn and on what bikes? I have one such badge on a 3 speed bike. Could the Ebay bike be something different than an 8 Speed Varsity?

The Ebay bike has the downtube shifters -- does anyone know the year (or years) they were first used on Schwinn bikes and on what models?

Did Continentals in the 50's use downtube shifters?

I just noticed these things but I do not have the answers.

   RE:RE: 1960 8 speed varsity posted by Dave on 7/16/2003 at 2:13:38 PM
As far as I know the Continental & Varsity's production began in 1960. I have a '64 Varsity w/downtube shifters which were on those bikes until 1966.

   RE:RE:RE: 1960 8 speed varsity posted by Wings on 7/16/2003 at 3:33:37 PM
This is sidetracking to the Continental since it is described with more detail in 1953 as: "Top quality lightweight, rim brakes, free wheeling." The Paramount has a similar write up with "professional" added.
I wonder how many speeds the Continental had prior to 1960 and where the shifters were. Somebody with a long life should know this!!! :)

The Varsity in 1953 is listed as: "Standard model lightweight, rim brakes, 3-speed." The Varsity is a 3 speed model from at least 53 to 56.
In 60 the Varsity returns as an 8 speed.

   1960 8 speed varsity & 10 speed conti posted by John E on 7/16/2003 at 5:13:20 PM
In the 1950s, the Varsity and Continental model designations were applied to 3-speeds patterned after, but heavier than, British club bikes. At the time, Frank Schwinn strongly doubted that the American public would ever want derailleurs.

The familiar derailleured Varsity and Continental, designed by Keith Kingbay, were introduced in the spring of 1960, with the obsolete Simplex Competition "suicide" front and Tour de France (equally suicidal) rear derailleur, for cost reasons ($1.27 savings per bicycle). Since both originally had sidepull brakes and non-QR wheels, Schwinn initially differentiated between them with the 15-18-21-25 versus the 15-17-19-22-25 freewheel and 26" versus 27" wheels, and, of course, the flat versus tubular fork blades. By 1961, both models featured 5-speed freewheels and the vastly superior Huret Allvit derailleurs. Within the next 2 years, the Continental got QR hubs and center-pull brakes, and the Varsity got 27" wheels.

   Additions to directory for Schwinn model identification posted by Tom Findley on 7/16/2003 at 8:12:03 PM

I have added:
1946 catalog, in glorious black and white
1951 model and price list

1953-1965 models and price lists

1962 folded brochure
1963 folded brochure

The directory is:


   RE:Additions to directory for Schwinn model identification posted by Kevin K on 7/17/2003 at 12:15:10 AM
Hi all. I had a 1946 or 1947 Schwinn Continental frame. I passed it onto a fellow collector to be used as wall art. It was nothing like the later frames. This had an AS( Arnold Schwinn ) chromoly decal on the seat tube. It was also fillet brazed finished to perfection unlike the 60's and 70's fillet brazed models I've seen. It also had a 3 piece steel cottered crankset that was pretty nice. If you go to the CR website and get into the Schwinn's there is a picture of an early Continental frame in white with gold/bronze graphics. Beautiful. The Continental name came about as service men returning from WWII Europe were thrilled with the bikes overseas. Schwinn studied the designs and began building the " Continental " Very fitting name. Hope this info helps those that have long wondered how the name came about. Kevin

   RE:RE:Additions to directory for Schwinn model identification posted by Dave on 7/17/2003 at 4:17:38 PM
Thanks for the info , Kevin , I have a friend riding a early '60's Continental and he rides it as a commuter. It has alloy rims , Simplex deraillers and a cotterless 3-piece crankset ,(with a conversion bottom bracket). He likes riding it and the bike is fairly light.