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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy Components posted by: Darryl on 4/1/2004 at 3:00:52 AM
Finding a Campy equipped bike at a garage sale, rummage sale or thrift shop would be a rare find, but possible. I currently have a 1973 Liotto, Nouvo equipped, 1988 Marinoni,Super Record & C-record equipped,1984 Guerciotti, Super Record and 1984 Rossin, Super Record. Bought the Liotto from a friend, the Marinoni I bought frame and individual components on Ebay, the Guerciotti and Rossin from LBS. There are Campy equipped bikes and components all over Ebay. I have accumulated many Campy and other Italian Vintage components from Ebay sellers. I treat them as an investment; when I'm too old to ride anymore (perish the thought) I'll dust them off and sell them. I have some vintage Shimano components also. Fun stuff to collect. Have bought 70 - 75 items from Ebay and only two small items have been "lost" in the mail. Check feedback of seller before buying. I have received parts from as far away as Germany.

   eBay posted by John E on 4/1/2004 at 2:52:02 PM
I have had very good luck with my 43 eBay purchases (mostly, but not exclusively, bicycle components); only one order was lost, and the seller even refunded my money! Yes, always consider the seller's feedback profile before bidding, and be sure to leave accurate, informative feedback.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy Components posted by Gralyn on 4/1/2004 at 3:24:22 PM
I really don't expect to find a Campy-equipped bike at a thrift store....although it is possible - it's just not likely. Most any of the better, or higher-end stuff for me will have to come from e-bay. I have sold quite a few bikes on e-bay.....with only one lost: I was shipping a Fuji frame to Italy - and it never made it. (actually, my wife shipped it for me while I was at work....she bought insurance....but threw away the receipt.....then there was no way to claim the insurance money without the receipt) The buyer never got the bike, so I had to refund the money.

So far as buying......I recently had a track cog to never show up....the seller refunded my money. Other than that - .....well, there was another problem.....There was a guy who was going to be working in NYC?...can't remember exactly what city....but he wanted the bike delivered there - so he would have it to ride. He arrived....but the bike didn't.....at least not when he expected it to. It eventually arrived. I hope he got to ride it some.....I wonder what he did with it after that?

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy Components posted by TimW on 4/1/2004 at 7:14:31 PM
I haven't given up on finding great bikes with Campy or other interesting components in unusal places. I have never bought anything off e-bay, or other internet classifieds.

By reviewing ads in the local 'buy and sell', I have found CHEAP a tandem Flying Scot (Cyclo & other components), a 60's 531db Crescent with a complete Campy Gran Sport grouppo, a 70's Raleigh 531 db Competition (no Campy originally, but I have installed NR), a Raleigh Super Course. From local thrift stores I have found a complete & lovely Raleigh Clubman, and another Raleigh-built 531 club bike with a Canadian label.

Finally, by watching for bikes locked and unused, and leaving notes for their owners, I have gotten CHEAP a mint Raleigh NR Professional, and a decent NR equipped Olmo. At a garage sale I grabbed another Campy-equipped bike (Bianchi), but got it home to realize it's a so-so Triumph grouppo (I got blinded by the Campy logo). I also asked my friend to ship his Dad's old Falcon bike (in the garage unused some 20 years) from across the country at my expense, to find it was a very rough Campy Valentino model.

Sometimes there are long periods where nothing interesting shows up, then a flurry of interesting bikes come my way. I take a zen approach, keeping my eyes open, and checking everything. Riding back alleys to and from work every day helps, as does calling local ads that say "10 spd racing bike for sale - $20".

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy Components posted by John S on 4/1/2004 at 7:43:46 PM
My experience is similar to Tim W's. Patience and persistance, be willing to go see a bike on the chance it might be something special even if expereince tells you more times than not that the bike is more common.

In Northern California, there are also several bike swap meets. I've had great success at these, especially for parts. Swap finds include an original 71 Mondia with Campy NR and Mafac, circa 72 Nishiki Road Compe frame, 3Rensho frame, vintage Treks, 80's Colnago Track frame, 72 Harry Quinn frame.

There is also a web-based free service called Craigslist that is widely used in the SF Bay Area, which has made the hobby way better for me, as a venue to sell bikes after fixing them up. Can also get great buys if you are lucky & quick. Just got a 60's chromed Cinelli Pista, wierdly built as a road bike. Have also purchased two Paramounts, an 85 Cinelli Super Corse, 76 Peter Mooney frameset and others, all at way below prices I've seen on ebay.

Sometimes, however, you get a lemon. Goes with the territory... Recently bought a late 70's Viscount. Unfortunately the cartridge bearings in the Lambert hubs were shot, necessitating rebuilding wheels with different hubs - a lot of work. But fun, nevertheless!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy Components posted by Rob on 4/2/2004 at 2:56:59 AM
I guess finding Campy components depends on what the local "bike culture" was like back in that era...I seem to regularly come across Campy bits and pieces...and often without expecting it. This past weekend I bought a bunch of derailleurs and cranks at a backyard sale...probably 30 or 40 lbs of stuff for $CDN20...including a 53T half worn 144 chain ring and a near new mid '80s Super Record clamp-on front der...missing the mounting bolt and the cable clamping bolt...a while back I got a used, but OK, Nuovo Record rear der.(I forget the Pat. date...maybe '77??) for $CDN5.00. I've bought a least one Campy rear der. on Ebay...I've got other Campy bit and pieces from various sources...usually at next to nothing prices...occasionally I'll spend more for a nice piece ...$CDN40 for a Nouvo Record crank with 53/42T rings...nice stuff... But for my general day to day riding I seem to prefer SunTour components (inc. Sugino/Dia Compe/etc)...and high end Shimano stuff....

I agree that persistance is the key...and that I am!!! My general approach is a low key search, I don't necessarily expect to find stuff on any particular trip to a source, but I keep my eyes open...

Lots of fun...:)

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy Components posted by Rob on 4/2/2004 at 3:04:10 AM
On a re-read my post isn't clear...in the 30 or 40 lbs of stuff...only the chain ring and, of course the Super Record front der. were Campy...the rest was mostly SunTour/Sugino?Dia Compe and a few good Shimano pieces...also, mid '80s SX410 Simplex rear der (branded Peugeot)...nothing much, but I didn't haveone and an early '80s 170mm left side Stronglight crank arm...

   RE:VINTAGE Rossin posted by Russell on 4/24/2006 at 9:22:54 AM

Hi, I have recently purchased an 80's (i think) Rossin cycle. However that is where my knowledge stops. I am hoping to work out the model and age of the bike. does anyone feel they have the knowledge of Rossin cycles to be able to assist me with this? Many Thanks

AGE / VALUE:   What to do with my NIB '81SuperStrada w/Dura Ace AX posted by: Lee on 3/31/2004 at 10:45:56 PM
I would appreciate some help deciding what to do with my 1981(pretty sure)Univega Superstrada. It has never been assembled! Equipped with Dura Ace AX with the exception of the brakes which are Aero Gran Compe. The rims are Araya Aero 2. I am know that this is a pretty special bike with the age and the AX components. Got any ideas about how to get the most exposure if I decide to sell it, what it's worth, any compelling reasons why I should keep it (I don't ride on the street much anymore). Any input will be much appreciated.

AGE / VALUE:   What to do with my NIB '81SuperStrada w/Dura Ace AX posted by: Lee on 3/31/2004 at 10:45:56 PM
I would appreciate some help deciding what to do with my 1981(pretty sure)Univega Superstrada. It has never been assembled! Equipped with Dura Ace AX with the exception of the brakes which are Aero Gran Compe. The rims are Araya Aero 2. I am know that this is a pretty special bike with the age and the AX components. Got any ideas about how to get the most exposure if I decide to sell it, what it's worth, any compelling reasons why I should keep it (I don't ride on the street much anymore). Any imput will be much appreciated.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What to do with my NIB '81SuperStrada w/Dura Ace AX posted by Fred Craven on 4/19/2004 at 1:09:14 AM
WOW, My bike had DuraAce AX too, and I even had a Univega Grad Primio of about the same vintage. Too bad it didn't come with the AX breaks.


VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   new or gently used frames/forks for 27x1-1/4? posted by: MLCrisis on 3/31/2004 at 6:33:32 PM
I have tons of old bike stuff dating back to the 1970s. I have some good 27" wheelsets and other vintage components looking for a bike frame to build on. I see some good stuff on e-bay once in a while, but I'm always suspicious. Thrift shops and GW stores have left me cold - everything is very beat-up...can't devote the necessary rehab. time right now.

Short of going custom, is there anyone out there building or selling good, practical road frames (new or NOS) that will accommodate 27x1-1/4 rims/tires anymore? I'm thinking threaded forks/quill stems, etc. Maybe even fenders...would a modern 700c cyclocross frame have the extra clearance needed?

   frames/forks for 27x1-1/4? posted by John E on 4/1/2004 at 2:57:57 PM
My 1980 Peugeot PKN-10 can accommodate either 27x1" or 700Cx28 tyres; I prefer the latter, because of availability and selection of replacement rims and tyres, and I like a little extra width for commuting and transportation on imperfect roads or in wet weather. My 1981 Bianchi Campione d'Italia can handle 700C up to 25mm, but not even the lowest-profile, narrowest 27" tyres. One occasionally sees a near-NOS 1970s Peugeot frameset or bike on eBay -- even the PR-10s and PX-10s are a good bet for high-performance 27" tyres.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1938 Raleigh Golden Arrow posted by: Max M. on 3/31/2004 at 4:27:04 PM
As many of you may have already heard, I am selling off one of my prized English club bikes.
1938 Raleigh Golden Arrow
Ebay Item #2235727304
I hate to see it go but wanted it to go to an appreciative home.

Max M.

AGE / VALUE:   Altering frames posted by: Derek Coghill on 3/30/2004 at 10:41:54 PM
Has anyone done this? I'm looking for ideas as to how to build a jig.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Altering frames posted by Gralyn on 3/31/2004 at 3:18:00 AM
I'll bet you would need frame-building skills, or would need to learn about frame-building. It would be really neat to customize the geometry, etc....make your own creation.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Altering frames posted by T-Mar on 3/31/2004 at 4:05:58 AM
What do you mean by "altering" frames?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Altering frames posted by Derek Coghill on 3/31/2004 at 6:48:28 PM
I thought I'd start by modifying something; I picked up an old Dawes frame, steel with lugs, and a friend is going to bead-blast it back to bare metal for me. Because the lugs dictate the angle at which the tubes sit in relation to each other and I want to do things like shorten the steering head (for example), I'll have to bend tubes to allow them to meet the lugs at the correct angle. I have the tools to do this and also oxy-acetylene kit to braze with; just curious about stuff, I suppose.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Altering frames posted by James Mahon on 4/1/2004 at 9:41:56 PM
You probably want to start on the framebuilers list. www.bikelist.org . All of the current "best in the biz" custom builders contribute there to help the amateur builder with questions like buiding jigs and welding/brazing technique.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Biopace and suntour posted by: marc on 3/30/2004 at 10:02:16 PM
I picked up a schwinn high sierra from the mide to late 80's today. I got everything but the wheels. I know its a bit off topic as it seems to be an ATB/Hybrid although with eyelets for racks and tons of braze ons I think it might make a nice touring bike. I mainly got if for the parts although the frame is decent, 4130 chrome moly. The brakes intrigued me as they are suntour roller cams. They are mounted like U brakes but they are center pulls. Does anyone have any experience with these brakes and their quality?

The frame also had a tripple biopace chain ring set up. I've never used biopace before and I'm tempted to try them. Any opinion on these? Also, do you need a biopace cassette or freewheel to use the chain rings? A special chain? Any info would be appreciated.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Biopace and suntour posted by Derek Coghill on 3/30/2004 at 10:37:37 PM
Both of my MTBs have Biopace rings; the rear gears and chain are normal but you have to be careful setting the height of the front derrailleur.

   Suntour posted by John E on 3/30/2004 at 11:24:39 PM
My 1988 Schwinn mountain bike has a U-brake mounted under the chainstay and a fork-mounted SunTour Rollercam. I am satisfied with both braking systems.

   RE:Suntour posted by JONathan on 3/31/2004 at 5:58:04 PM
Marc, I thought those U-brakes under the chain-stays were mid-80's. I have a U-brake under the chain-stay on a Miyata "terra runner". The frame is triple-butted Cr-Mo steel. The stopping is prodigious! I have pulled a trailer with it, too. The bike is singularly set up for rough road touring and it is well suited to the demand for handling and durability. The wb is a whopping 44". That U-brake will lock the rear wheel without the front brake engaged. The problem is mud clogs the brake, especially the redish Sierra clay that's like bearing grease sticky. Whoa, that's a mess to get off when dried. The trailer limits use on single-track trails. The load is all on the trailer, which was converted from a kiddee trailer. Took all the seats out and anchored a mahogany door-skin with U-bolts to the square tubes. Really stiffened it up. The specs. say 60# max. load, but I hauled 16 1x8 redwood fence boards that were 8 feet long.
The u-brake worked like there was nothing behind me pushing. Deore XT front and rear makes for smooth shifts. A set of "Specialized "fat boys" make it a comfortable and efficient road machine. I keep the mud-grabbers on it most of the time. I sure don't miss having FS. My brother's bike has FS and he's about ready to switch out to rigids. The dipping in the front end drives me nuts, although it does soften the bumps. Just take it easy. The nice thing about the older cr-mo MTB's is they get you in and...back out. The u-brakes have come back from their near extinction, but for free-style riders, I believe. It is nice to have that space behind the seat-post clear of clutter you get with normal MTB cabling and cantilevers. Just a couple c's. BTW, I have a couple spare u-brakes (under-stay versions) for parts. Keep your eyes open for those as they are getting rarer by the minute.
Good rides!
Q. What about that "Super Course"? How's it runnin'?

   RE:RE:Suntour posted by marc on 3/31/2004 at 6:36:58 PM
The super course is running great despite a few mishaps. I bought a NOS set of stronglight cranks and chainwheels and had them put on by a local shop with a cotter press. I figured for 10 bucks why not save myself and the bike the trouble of a hammer. I watched how easy it was to remove and install the cotters with the press and I would love to get one. Do they still make these? A few days later I noticed one of the nuts on the cotter pins fell off. I guess they didn't tighten it very well, my fault as well for not checking.
I was on the phone with my girlfriend while I was insalling a front fork generator light and when I went for a ride I didn't notice that it was set up in the wrong angle. Never talk on the phone while doing repairs, the generator tore into the sidewall of the new bontrager tire.

You live you learn right? Anyone going to Cirque in NC. I'll be bringing the supercourse I think and would love to meet up with any of you guys that will be attending.


   RE:U-Brake under chain-stay posted by JONathan on 3/31/2004 at 7:09:06 PM
What makes the u-brake under the chain-stay work so well? I checked the baord's are 1x6 (not 1x8) and they weigh about 5#.lineal foot. Some are 10 footers! I figure about 80# on the trailer, plus my 220# (dry day) and come up with about 350#'s of GBW! The u-brakes are much beefier than regular brakes and therefore they are more rigid under a load, is the only thing I can figure. The positioning may have something to do with it. I wouldn't try that stunt again, as the trailer was maxed and then some. I guess it was some attempt to test the limits. If a straightthrough axle was used and if they could be brazed to a 3/8" steel tube, it might work better. I was wondering about fitting brakes to the trailer wheels, too. Now that the topic of brazing has been brought to the fore. As for those u-brakes...I think they got a raw deal. Probably the clogging problem was too much and they are extremely tricky to get at and to adjust.
I think my '84 Raleigh "Elkhorn" also has the U-brake under the stays. Maybe my "Diamondback", too. They were quite popular, but for only about 3 years in the mid-80's, I nelieve.

   RE:Super Course posted by JONathan on 3/31/2004 at 7:32:50 PM
Fantastic, Marc. That is the way to go. I guess that the brazed patch is working out well. I have been toying with trying a fix on a couple of 2030 steel Raleighs that have damaged chain-stays from kickstands. I'm beaking out the road bikes from here on out. No MTB's or pulling trailers at twice their 40# ratings! My latest is a Bridgestone RB-1 that is in the test phase. No long coast trips, yet. Has SunTour "GPx" cranks and a 53-tooth main ring. Shimano "105" front and a "600" rear. I put 25-622 Continental 120psi tires. The ride is nice. Mavic "MA-3" is a solid wheel, too. Probably rides like a "Super Course", but I haven't had any chances to compare directly.
The Ishiwata "022" quad-butted tubes are like the Columbus "SL", I think. The forks are Ishiwata "019" with taper. Real nice ride and not too springy for a big rider. Made it to Canada this year. I'd love to see NC, especially Charleston. The RB-1 has this steel stem that it TIG-welder as opposed to the cast alloy. It took some getting used to, but it's a lot like a mTB stem. Very stout, too. The Hatta headset rounds out the front, along with a Nitto Mod."55" bar. This RB-1 is very much like a TeamFUJI from the mid-80's. I am impressed with what the Japanese were putting together during that period. I guess the Ishiwata tubes were on par with the best from Europe, but at considerably less expense. Last night, I took a spin on the RB-1 and it was real smooth ridin' for what was supposed to be a road-racer! Not too shabby.
Good luck and above all, have some great rides.

   RE:RE:U-Brake under chain-stay posted by JONathan on 3/31/2004 at 7:37:43 PM
Oops, I meant 5#'s per board.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Biopace and suntour posted by Warren on 3/31/2004 at 10:09:37 PM
Those roller cam centre-pulls were based on Richard Cunninghams early designs. Hand-made Fisher's had them...they are almost "collectible" as far as mtn bike stuff goes.

   RE:RE:Suntour posted by Derek Coghill on 3/31/2004 at 10:16:05 PM
My Ridgeback 602, one of the biopace bikes, has a U-brake. It works, but isn't anything special. Keep it clean or it'll seize.

   RE:RE:RE:Suntour posted by Wings on 4/1/2004 at 6:56:43 AM
The 80's bikes are showing up a lot in thrift stores now. As recently fixed up a Mongoose Chromo frame and did that bike ever ride nice. I really appreciate ATB from that time period. I also have one that I purchased back then and still use it to off road at times. I did change the large and middle chainrings to a circular pattern (not biopace) but kept the small chainring biopace. I like that arrangement.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:Suntour posted by marc on 4/1/2004 at 7:10:51 AM
that's interesting I never thought about mixing biopace and non biopace. Is shifting affected at all?

   biopace posted by John E on 4/1/2004 at 3:07:58 PM
When I bought my 1988 Schwinn mountain bike, it had a 28 round - 38 SunTour elliptical (biopace variant) - 48 round configuration. Elliptical chainrings shift fine if one coordinates gear changes with pedal position, so that the cage is moving the chain over the tallest arc of the ring. Wanting a better gear progression, I replaced the 38 with a 40T round, replaced the 28 with a 24, and replaced the 13-32 freewheel with a 13-26. The elliptical ring never really bothered me, but I never felt any tangible benefit, either.

I believe SunTour did not invent the RollerCam brake, but licensed, purchased, or rebranded it. The only drawback of my Schwinn is that the above-the-rim brake bosses lock me into U-brakes or RollerCams, rather than V-brakes or conventional cantilevers, which require below-the-rim bosses. Since the KOM-10 may eventually be a collectible, and since my original red-white-and-blue paint job is still in good condition, I do not want to do any brake boss rebrazing.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   unisex puegot posted by: Bev Scott on 3/30/2004 at 4:28:39 PM
I have a white unisex puegot bicyle in good condition that I purchased in the 1970's for approximately $200.00 and would like to know if there is any interest in this bike.

    unisex puegot posted by John E on 3/30/2004 at 6:37:11 PM
The Peugeot UO-18 and UE-18 mixtes, particularly the white ones, were very popular in the early 1970s. If yours is in very good cosmetic and mechanical condition, you should have no trouble selling it. Monitor eBay periodically for a rough indication of value.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   unisex puegot posted by JONathan on 3/30/2004 at 6:43:44 PM
By "unisex", I presume that is a "mixte" frame? If so, there was one from that period for $199.00 at a local shop! I couldn't believe the price. Seems the proprietor had replaced just about all the consumable parts; which were the tires (presume the tubes too); the brake pads and cables; shifter cables and handlebar tape. I think he chainged the chain, too. Plus, complete bearing lubrication. So this could easily be $100 at retail replacement cost, I would guess from what I have to pay for the stuff on my bikes.
I have a white mixte from late '60's with the tourist bars. I think it is a UE-18 Peugeot judging from the double-eyelets for fenders and panniers, both front and rear. It rides very nice, although I rarely spin it. The local favorites are a Raleigh "sports" and there is a Motobecane "Nobly", both lady's frames, not the mixte variant. The Peugeot rides better, IMHO. $200 in 2004 dollars seems like a good buy. The LBS owner commented that people will check out his really clean used vintage bikes and then go inside and buy a "new" bike! Tells me something. For commutes or for everyday recreational cruising, that bike you have is a winner!
Good luck,

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   unisex puegot posted by: Bev Scott on 3/30/2004 at 4:28:39 PM
I have a white unisex puegot bicyle in good condition that I purchased in the 1970's for approximately $200.00 and would like to know if there is any interest in this bike.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ciocc loaded with Campagnolo! posted by: Wings on 3/30/2004 at 7:14:51 AM
I have not posted for sometime but try to keep up on the reading here once a week. I have never found any bike with Campy stuff on it!

Today, however, I have a very nice CIOCC, excellent shape, Columbus tubing and everything is CAMPY! Campy seat stem, campy brakes, campy brake levers and campy hoods. Campy downtube shifters, campy derailers, cranks, chainrings, headset, pedals (toe clips) and Campy Hubs! I did not check the head stem! I have never seen so much Campy! Awesome!!! Maybe this makes up for never seeing any in 10 years!

I would appreciate your comments on this bike.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ciocc loaded with Campagnolo! posted by Gralyn on 3/30/2004 at 1:14:18 PM
Of all the bikes I have browsed over for the past few years - I have never seen Campy-anything.......except for one item: I spotted this old Sears 3-speed (3-speed hub) with touring-type bars, fenders, etc. which had a Campy single shift lever mounted on the top tube. That's my Campy experience right there.....that's it.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ciocc loaded with Campagnolo! posted by JONathan on 3/30/2004 at 6:51:34 PM
The owner was really into Campy! That is amazing, to me. I have picked up a few bikes with a Campy component, or two, but to have everything is indeed a rare find, IMHO. The question is; was it OEM for the bike? Or, I'd be curious if any bikes had all Campy running gear as OEM? Probably, is my guess, but I've never run across such a bike.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ciocc loaded with Campagnolo! posted by T-Mar on 3/30/2004 at 8:52:20 PM
Ciocc is a high end Italian brand that gained prominence in the USA in the 1980s. Ciocc, which means "poker faced", was the nickname of the builder, Giovanni Pelizzoli. Several professionals rode Ciocc bicycles, including Claudio Corti, who won the 1977 World Championships on a Ciocc. While they are still in business, the majority of circulating Ciocc seem to originate from the mid '80s and all appear to be high end.

They are typical high end Italian build and ride quality, with particularly attractive graphics. Generally there is lots of chrome, usually a fully chromed fork and stays that are completely chrome, save a few inches. Given the pedigree, I wouldn't expect to see them with anything but a full compliment of Campagnolo parts, but the frames were sold separately, so you could conceivably see them with any bran of components. The least expensive factory equipped model that I've seen had Triomphe, but the most common was Super Record equipped. The stem and bars are likely Cinelli. Very nice find! Congratulations!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ciocc loaded with Campagnolo! posted by Wings on 3/31/2004 at 7:25:44 AM
Yes, I hear you guys with not seeing the Campy parts!

T-Mar -- Thanks for the information. That is good to know! It will get a good cleaning and waxing this weekend along with some new tires and it is as good as new!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ciocc loaded with Campagnolo! posted by Jon on 5/2/2004 at 11:33:10 PM
I have a fully Campagnolo equipped Ciocc that was sent to me directly from the factory in 1982/3. I did specify the Record/Super Record components at the time with Mavic GP-4 rims. I raced it for a couple years in the States and in Europe, opting to use it only for my personal training rides when soloing, and using team frames for team rides and races in case I crashed. I had it all upgraded about 7 years ago, and would only think of using new Campy components. The master mechanic that was so curious about me being so adamant about Campy only didn't understand why until I rolled the bike into the shop. I wondered if it was worth upgrading and he said the frame alone was worth a couple thousand. I have ridden many team frames, some of the finest in the world, and tried some of the newer carbon fibre and aluminum frames, but none of them have the feel and response that this bike has.

AGE / VALUE:   Rollfast Ultralight 3 speed posted by: Joe on 3/30/2004 at 5:33:17 AM
Does anyone here have any idea how to figure date of manufacture on a late 50's to 60's Rollfast? I picked up one today which has British made Dunlop rims, Sturmey Archer hubs and 32/40 spoke patterns. The headube is semi-lugged, while the rest is not. It has a twist grip S/A shifter, one piece cranks, and the model is an Ultralight.
The hub is dated 1966. I have seen Rollfast 3's made in England, but they are just rebadged British bikes. This is an American style frame with all British components. It was found in an old storage building abandoned for many years, but several bikes found along with it also have some mismatched parts. I have another similar Rollfast which uses American 36 hole rims, Bendix coaster brake, and a Crown front hub. The frame on the the coaster model is does not have the semi lugged headtube, but all else looks the same. Did Rollfast out source for British components back then? Even for bikes with their own frames?

(Also posted on British Roadster forum)

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Florida find-Motobecane posted by: JB on 3/30/2004 at 1:28:48 AM
Spent some time in Fla. recently. After plowing around a relative's ancient balloon bike...found a Goodwill...and a Motobecane Mirage next to the dumpster..four bucks later and a new tube/tire...and my trip took a happy swift turn. A previous post noted the wealth of VLBs in Florida...I could do some serious thrift shop/dumpster diving...retirees give up the drop bars/skinny tires..even though I'm officially a senior now, hope to keep rolling on the lightweights....Now I got to figure how to get that Moto back to Indiana

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   attn: Sports Tourer fans posted by: Brian L. on 3/30/2004 at 1:05:06 AM
Just scored a mostly complete Sports Tourer off the side of the road, less wheels. Pretty good condition. Color is, I dunno, Kool Green (not the jade metallic). Large frame, probably 60cm. I have one in my size and just love it. Includes Huret FD and Campy ?(what was the long-cage Valentino?). Even the black bar tape is in good condition. Missing seatpost and saddle. Anyone wanna trade for something? Seattle area. This thing is on the heavy side and would cost a bit to ship.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   attn: Sports Tourer fans posted by Oscar on 3/30/2004 at 3:44:47 AM
I shipped one via Fed Ex Ground half way across the country for $18 (including wheels, seatpost and saddle). Sounds like a great find (and they're not all over the place either).

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   attn: Sports Tourer fans posted by Brian L. on 3/30/2004 at 6:14:01 PM
I think that I'm just going to keep: cranks, bb and derailleurs. The rest is up for grabs. email me for local pickup.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   attn: Sports Tourer fans posted by Kevin K on 3/31/2004 at 2:18:42 AM
Hi Brian. That color is called Opaque Green. UGLY, but rare. If the paint is nice at all the frame is worth money as these bikes are not everyday finds. Kevin

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   attn: Sports Tourer fans posted by JONathan on 4/1/2004 at 6:28:10 AM
The "Gran Turismo" rear derailer looks a lot like a "Valentino", except it's capacious cage allows for very wide ranges in gearing; such as you would want on a tourer. I have a 1980 "Sports Tourer" that is cr-mo steel built by Giant for Schwinn using a lugged framework. If you have the fillet-brazed cr-mo frame, it is a keeper to be sure. They are quite unique. I have a 1971 "Super Sport" that is like the "ST", but the components make it look a lot like a "continental"; which may have posed a bit of a marketing problem.
Just speculating, here, but I think a lot of folks couldn't see the big difference and so opted for the "continental" for a lot less bucks.
I'd hang on to that bike, for sure, if you have a spot.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Samurai posted by: Mike on 3/29/2004 at 6:47:46 PM
Anyone have any familiarity with a Japanese Bike Brand called "Samurai"? It has red lettered transfers and the head badge is an all-white colored samurai on a horse with a sword. I have a 10 speed, looks to be from the 70s that I got for $25 at a tag sale.

AGE / VALUE:   Wood rim wheels posted by: Stephen on 3/29/2004 at 6:34:06 PM
I have aquired a pair of road/track wheels with wooden rims. The rims appear to be made by Jonathan Fairbanks of Boston and are probably of the era 1890-1910? Steel spokes and high flange hubs complete the wheels and there are tubulars that still hold air on the rims. There is a fixed gear on the rear hub but the threaded end seems to be able to support a freewheel that is not too wide. I have no more info at this time but am very curious about the use as track wheels. These came from the San Jose, California area where there was once a very active track bicycle racing venue during the late 1900th and early 20th centuries. That is all I know at this time. Anyone with info or interest in these wheels can email me. I am currently looking for a track bike/frame set around 53cm.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wood rim wheels posted by Ian on 3/30/2004 at 10:09:22 AM
I have no info on the make you mrention but in this country it was very common to see race bikes with fixed wheel on one side of the rear hub (with lockring) and a single speed freewheel on the other. Many racers used the one bike for everything. I interviewed some old time racers who told me about riding single speed bikes on the track and on the road in 100 mile races even after the war, they just could not afford them fancy gears! Regards, Ian.