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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   I have just purchased a light wt 26 " womans Columbia " Five Star American" posted by: Andrew Wallenstein on 8/23/2004 at 11:35:43 AM
What year might this be??

WANTED:   1980's Schwinn Prologue 700C tires for restoration posted by: dent on 8/21/2004 at 6:14:48 PM
I am looking for original Schwinn Prologue 700Cx 19 tires for a Paramount restoration, the project is a 1988 model. Must be NOS Schwinn Prologue's (may settle for Pro Circuit 700's of same period) Thank's, dent

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1975 Jack Taylor road bike posted by: Mike on 8/20/2004 at 8:18:55 PM
I have a Jack Taylor road bike with Campy Rally parts, probably from around 1975. Mostly original parts; I'm considering selling it, but I have no idea if there's a demand for this bike. If not, I'd rather keep it for sentimental value, but if there's someone out there that would appreciate it, I'd be interested to know what it's worth, or how to value it. Thanks!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1975 Jack Taylor road bike posted by Walter on 8/22/2004 at 1:59:22 AM
You can find a little info here: http://sheldonbrown.com/vrbn-o-z.html#taylor

The bike would find a buyer but I can't speculate what kind of money it might bring.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: 1975 Jack Taylor road bike posted by eric on 8/23/2004 at 5:16:13 AM
check it this website. it's dedicated to taylors.



VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Condition, Condition posted by: jack on 8/20/2004 at 2:06:33 AM
Just wanted to throw some red meat out there and get people to think about what condition means.

If someone describes their bike as being in excellent condition, this can mean up to four things in my mind.

1) It could be xlnt compared to new showroom.

2) It could be xlnt considering its age.

3) It could be xlnt after a restoration.

4) It could be xlnt only in the eye of the beholder.

As you can imagine, xlent can range from a rust bucket to pristine and still be more or less true.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Condition, Condition posted by Willie L. on 8/20/2004 at 5:03:23 PM
I completely agree with the four mentioned possibilities. The fourth one is probably used most, especially by individuals selling their stuff.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Condition, Condition posted by Willie L. on 8/20/2004 at 5:04:34 PM
I completely agree with the four mentioned possibilities. The fourth one is probably used most, especially by individuals trying selling their stuff.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Varsity Question posted by: Gralyn on 8/19/2004 at 7:41:03 PM
I have a Schwinn Varsity question:
....now this is kind of silly that I should ask....because it has to do with a bike I spotted yesterday.....but I left it there - and didn't bother to pick it up....but then, after I got to thinking....I realized that maybe I should have tried to determine how old it was before I passed it up. Now, for example - if it was a particularly old one....it will be gone when I stop back by this afternoon!

It was a yellow Schwinn Varsity.....with upright touring-type bars and touring-type brakes. It had the classic Schwinn stem-mounted shift levers. My question is: did they make yellow varsities every year they made varsities? Or were the yellow ones only offered certain years? Did some of them come with touring-type bars?

I believe the serial number on these is on the head tube - right?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Varsity Question posted by RobA on 8/19/2004 at 9:07:50 PM
this site might help:


By touring bars, I assume you mean the randonneur bar that sort of flare up at the outer edges...looks like the color offerings varied somewhat...FWIW, my circa 1974 Continental...which is yellow has the serial # on the head badge...

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Varsity Question posted by RobA on 8/19/2004 at 9:09:58 PM
...I mean, of course, on the head tube...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Varsity Question posted by Gralyn on 8/19/2004 at 11:58:41 PM
No, these were not the randonneur bars. They are the old upright touring type that you find on 3-speed english lightweights.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Varsity Question posted by Walter on 8/20/2004 at 12:40:47 AM
Don't know about colors though I recall yellow being pretty common. I do know that Varsities often left the shop with "North Bend" bars. I don't recall if they shipped this way from Chicago but I can recall the owner at the shop I "worked" in as a youngster in the mid70s swapping bars for customers. I recall one that a young lady was picking up to take to college. Don't remember color of the bike but I was quite impressed with the buyer. :)

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Varsity Question posted by Wings on 8/20/2004 at 6:12:50 AM
Yellow pops up a lot. Down tube shifters are older. Check the serial number to determine the age.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Varsity Question posted by Gralyn on 8/21/2004 at 3:49:16 AM
It looks like yellow first appears in 1971

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Varsity Question posted by David on 8/21/2004 at 2:14:07 PM
No doubt it was mine, stolen in Washington DC in 1974. I swapped the bars.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Frejus Tour De France posted by: tod on 8/18/2004 at 3:09:53 PM
wondering if somebody could help me date a Frejus.. picked this bike up yesterday.. somebody painted the whole thing black.. everything.. cranks.. stem.. brakes.. everything spraypainted.. The serial located below the bottom bracket is 780013 the only stickers i have found is the head badge sticker (sticker not a metal badge) says mod tour de france.. same sticker is on the seat tube.. there is a made in italy sticker but no mention of tubing.. The dropouts are not marked.. sort seem like thick stamped dropouts more so than a forged one.. no adjustment pins on the rear.. it has the chromed olympic ringed seat collar.. the Frejus font on the bike is the one with lines extending from the the F and the S.. The bike is not heavy but no really light either.. also.. all the Frejus bikes i have looked at all have the contrasting little panel on the seat lug.. The bike does not.. the bike came set up with huret allvit front der and shifters... It has a TA bottom bracket and TA pro vis 5 cranks ... the bike also had Universal sidel pull Extra brakes and levers.. any help would great.. is this thing worth a little fix up effort? Am i right to guess that this bike is late 50's? color.. greenish yellow with white head tube panel. chrome crowned fork.. no other chrome.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Frejus Tour De France posted by tod on 8/18/2004 at 5:15:42 PM
the dropouts on the front look like the front ones from this bike.. no markings...
the rear dropout has a similar styling to the front.. not chrome though.. .. painted..

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Frejus Tour De France posted by Gralyn on 8/18/2004 at 8:11:46 PM
I can relate to what you mean about everything being painted. I bought a Z-car once - and it looked like someone had set off a blue paint bomb inside the car. They had attempted to change the tan interior to blue. It was all blue....everything.....I saw that they had even scraped away a spot of paint on the speedometer - so they could read it. Fixing that one up - was a real challange. The interior had to be completely gutted out and re-done.
I saw one bike once....looked like an old single speed lightweight.....it was all blue.....all of it....I mean all of it! I didn't bother to mess with it at all.

AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Brava....... posted by: Fred A on 8/18/2004 at 3:29:52 AM
Question for you Bianchi people...where does a BRAVA model sit in the family lineup? Midrange? Low to mid?
It's a 12 speed with full Shimano 105. Probably late 80's and maybe not even made in Italy, but then you would know. In very, very good (not excellent) condition, what would this be worth? Color is black with celeste green cables and decals. I have a chance to purchase it.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Brava....... posted by T-Mar on 8/18/2004 at 1:14:27 PM
The Brava was a lower, mid range bicycle. I have a friend with a near mint early 1980s, 12 speed model that he bought for $75.00 CDN, several years ago. I paid $100.00 CDN for a mid 1980s, 14 speed model in very good condition that I purchased around 2000. The fact that you have a 12 speed, indicates that it is probably early 80's.

I have seen Bravas with both Italian and Japanese made frames. If the tubing sticker says Bianchi, it's most likely a Japanese, Tange tubeset.

It's hard to fault the Shimano 105 components on the Brava. The frames are decent, though not quite up to the level of the components. The remaining components were nothing to write home about, with the exception of the rims, which were usually Ambrosio Elite 19 rims. Depending on the year, Bianchi sometimes substituted other brands for less visible components like the headset and bottom bracket, instead of using the Shimano 105 components.

      Bianchi Brava....... posted by John E on 8/18/2004 at 3:06:34 PM
Absent either a "Made in Japan" or a "Made in Italy" sticker on the frame, check the bottom bracket cups. Japanese-made Bianchis of your vintage had English/ISO BB threading (1.37x24, LH-threaded fixed cup), rather than Italian (36x24, RH-threaded fixed cup).

   RE:   Bianchi Brava....... posted by Fred A on 8/19/2004 at 12:42:08 AM
Thanks for the info, guys. This will help in my final decision as to the purchase of it or not.

AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder "NS", 5-sp. posted by: JONathan on 8/17/2004 at 8:16:45 PM
I know this be a VLW board so I am treading lightly on this one. However, it meets certain of the requirements; vintage, multi-geared and as light as some 10 speeds from the era. These are somewhat heavy little brutes at about 34#, including front and rear racks, fenders and light/alternator set. Retro-Cycles Peugeot has the model depicted. I came onto one about 5 years back. After fixing it up, it got hung up without much thoughts toward riding it with any purpose. Last week, I stumbled onto a second one that is a twin of my first. What are the odds? These collapse up and slide into a regular car trunk with no problems. I made sure that anything needed out of the trunk en route would be in the passenger area. I fixed this one up last week. Tire size is 37-490 or about 22 inchers. I had to machine a few fittings to get a front fender attached. I replaced shifter and brake cables as they had been compromised by careless folding, having been crimped by the closure mechanism. I mean, one has to really try to get the cables squashed between the anchor plates and clampdown. They managed quite nicely despite the difficulty.
Interesting that the tires are Hutchinsons on one and Michelins on the other. Both are probably OEM and they are in great shape. I straightened the stems and aired up. The Hutchinsons take 55psi and the Michelins are 40-45 psi. I replaced the incredibly under=performing front brakes with Weinmann "Vainqueur 750's". These capacious caliper brakes will handle the fender easily. THe braking on the rear is a somewhat flimsy working cantilever type with bosses on the seat-stays. I could not replace those with a standard brake without brazing up a bridge. So here they are, all set to go. My wife likes the bike with its long wheel base, small wheels and easy on/off features. Initially, I was concerned about the frame being questionable for a 220# rider with a heavy foot. No problem there, although they are less rigid than my Raleigh "20" (l969). They are a great neighborhood bike, especially in tandem with matching colors. I would be interested in any history about these little bikes. Someone described their origin as being a paratrooper bike design. The 5-speed freewheel combined with a small chainring makes them quite versatile. Simplex derailer works OK. THe bars are raised and have a 12 inch stem with quick release. Seat is on a very long seat-post. They can work for me at 6'2". THe cranks almost hit the road. I can drag my heels off the pedal platforms...added braking? Wondered what you thought about these marvels. THe main interest, aside from the fun of parading the neighborhood as a dynamic duo, is they might go onboard the regular train coaches. The bike coache has been maxed out, lately. Used to be there was no problem taking a bike. If I understand the rules, these folders, if broken down, can be taken onboard regular cars. This is good. I need to try it out, first. Bottom line, these are good for 5 miles at a pop. Anyone have a bike like these? I could not believe that I found two identical mounts by accident.
Thanks folks,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by RobA on 8/18/2004 at 12:55:40 AM
JONathan...I don't mind the slight diversion...:)

I, too, have one of those...but it needs a fair bit of work...front wheel is missing, front fender mangled, lights broken...rusty chain...the Simplex Prestige derailleur has almost gone gray from the UV...looks like it'll break if one so much as breathes on it...:) The frame, though looks pretty nice...white, only minor scratches and a few small rust blotches...The rear wheel rim is rusty...and the tire...a Hutchinsons doesn't look great...I thought, though, the tire size is 550??? ...which is just under 22 inches, I haven't been able, so far, to find a front wheel or tires...any ideas?? The bikes look kind of interesting...and since we're on the subject I also have a single speed Austrian folder, called an "Auto-Mini" ( or some such name)...in good shape...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by RobA on 8/18/2004 at 1:20:06 AM
Further note on the tires...I checked Sheldown Brown's site...well, we're both right...:) 37-490 is the ISO size; and 550A/22 x 1 3/8" is the traditional size. Harris Cyclery sells Michelin for $39.95, and Kenda for $24.95...tubes are $4.50 Schrader; $5.95, Presta....all a bit rich for me, but if I'm desperate I know where to go...

Oh...and I wonder what the "NS" stands for "New Style", maybe,...or should I say, "Nouveau Style"...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by RobA on 8/18/2004 at 1:26:33 AM
Oops..thats should be Schrader tubes at $4.95...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by JONathan on 8/18/2004 at 2:03:32 AM
Indeed, what a surprise, Rob. I sure get a few chuckles from the gallery with this one. It does not "keep up", but I guess it was designed to run to the farmers' marketplace over cobblestone roads; quick little jaunts to the train station, etc. It performs well with that purpose in mind. Both of mine needed very little work. The front rack was snapped off at the head-tube on one. I removed the alternator and lights. I think it was not working on the first one. The second one had nothing but cables to replace. Both paint jobs are excellent with all the decals intact. I replaced the front brakes, of course. Now, the braking is tolerable considering the performance characteristics of the bike. I can deploy and saddle up in 30 seconds. The rear brakes are tempermental, but new cable and housing helps. I placed an in-line adjuster at the hole where the cable housing goes through the seat-tube. THe BB extends below the down-tube/seat-tube intersection. Probably this was done to allow the bike to collapse to 180.
As for wheels? THey are about 22 inches, but tires are 550A's or 37-490. They sell the tires here, I believe. Those wheels will be tough to find, but a 20 inch could work with Weinmann "Vainqueur" or Dia-Compe "BMX" side-pulls, both will need a drop-bolt attachment. The rear brake is problematic. Haven't figured out how to change that one over, yet. THe brakes are Mafac, front and rear as OEM. The model is "Nouvous Style:, not "Nouvous Sport". Sorry about that mistaken info. Be careful working on the rear brake straddle clamp. I sheared off the pencil-neck locknut. It will be OK, untill I have to tear into the brakes, next time around. I'll snip the cable and drill out the stub. I barely tweaked on the head when it spun loose. The only other oddity is dealing with mounting the front wheel in the dropouts. The right side needs to be tightened down first, otherwise the left side will want to push out of the dropout while tightening down...or something like that. It was tricky, but all is good. I first noticed the problem as a fork pulling to the right side. After I figured out how to get that axle nubbed down corrctly, the veering went away. Unlike qr's, the nutted axles can get tightened down and stay there. I know this has been discussed at length, before. I still maintain that nutted axles are stronger based on riding experience...one of those rare instances where the paper model is not consistent with realtime, rubber-on-pavement. I can e-mail a pic. if you want to see the setup.
Thanks, JONathan

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by paul on 8/18/2004 at 2:19:59 AM
I have three folders: 1942 Compax Traveler by Westfield, 26 X1 and 1/4 rubber actually a take-apart bicycle with 2 speed New Departure hub/ 2nd 1976 Bickerton(Birmingham England) 3speed Sturmey internal hub 14 x 1 and 3/8 front 16 x 1 and 3/8 rear all aluminum box frame/ 3rd 1970's Morini "Insta-Bike" (Italy) 20 inch front and rear, rack is part of frame, single speed freewheel but caliper brakes. The Bickerton and Morini fit in back seat floor area of Buick LeSabre without folding. Folders are fun and there is a Folding Society on the web check it out.........paul

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by T-Mar on 8/18/2004 at 1:33:50 PM
Folding bikes were extremely popular in the mid 1970s with the university crowd. A trip to Europe before or after completing univetrsity seemed to be the trend and these bicycles were just the ticket for a tight budget.

Generally, the students would fly over and buy the bicyles in Europe. They'd cycle tour the sites in the major city, then hop a train to next big city. Obviously, the folding capability was a big plus for this style of travel. The small wheels made them easy pedalling for the non-cyclist. If you tried some inter-city cycling and got tired en route and needed to thumb a ride, the folding capability made them an easy fit in the smaller "boots" of the European cars. My sister and several friends toured Europe using these bicycles. In their case, they sold the bicycles bedfore returning home.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by RobA on 8/18/2004 at 6:29:23 PM
Interesting...Tom, were these bikes sold in the US and/or Canada? How about parts availability?...I need at least a front wheel and the back rim that I do have, is rather rusty... JONathan, I've also occasionally had bolts on Peugeot snap off with virtually no force applied, when I've been taking things apart...they must have used some rather soft metal which maybe gets fatigued over the years??? and, I'm real careful now around any of those Delrin parts...over-torque those and you're looking for a new component...Paul, the "folding SOicety" you mention is that the one with the British website???


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by T-mar on 8/18/2004 at 8:28:36 PM
The Peugeot folding bicycle was definitely sold in Canada. We sold a few at the LBS where I worked. They're also listed in my old Canadian dealer catalogues. I think there were two or maybe versions. Unfortunately I'm still in Florida and don't have access to my reference materials.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT folder posted by mike p on 8/19/2004 at 4:11:07 AM
have a front wheel with a 22 inch tire on it-will check its condition closer if you are interested-have an old folder somewhere in the back 40 tooo.....

AGE / VALUE:   I CANT HELP IT!!! posted by: JOHNNY C on 8/17/2004 at 6:05:42 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I CANT HELP IT!!! posted by Gralyn on 8/17/2004 at 11:58:47 AM
I have a couple bikes with these Schurmann rims. They seem to be pretty good.

I know what you mean.....but I usually just come home empty-handed.

   Austrian Sears? posted by John E on 8/17/2004 at 2:36:00 PM
Hi Johnny C -- Does your Sears have a "Made in Austria" sticker anywhere on the frame? I remember the short fenders, which came out in the early 1970s. I even tried them once; about the only thing they do is to reduce road spray on your brake calipers and up your steerer tube. It was mildly entertaining to watch the water spraying up from the ends of the front one, though.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I CANT HELP IT!!! posted by johnny c on 8/19/2004 at 12:26:18 AM
hello john e,yes it was made in austria,but after a few hours of riding around hunting,i cant stand to come home without nothing to tinker with.i was outside looking today for a place to build a bigger shelter to put all my unique junk! LOL,thanks guys

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   repair tip posted by: John E on 8/16/2004 at 7:45:50 PM
The left crank (Sugino) on my Peugeot has a slightly enlarged and distorted axle eye, because the first owner rode for awhile with a loose bolt. Up to now, I have been able to compensate by tightening the fixing bolt, but I finally reached the point at which the inner edge of the crank contacted the outer edge of the bearing cup. (I had previously substituted a thinwalled bearing cup for the original thickwalled one, which gave me a mm or two of temporary relief.) Since my son had just borrowed an angle grinder from his grandfather and was eager to try it out, I challenged him to grind 2-3mm from the back side of the crank, at the axle eye. The operation was a great success, and I now have at least 1 mm of clearance between the crank and the BB cup when the bolt is fully tightened and the crank is fully seated.

This technique may enable someone else out there to salvage an otherwise damaged crank. The limitation, of course, is that the crank cannot seat so far onto the spindle that the spindle protrudes at the fixing bolt, although I suppose one could grind or cut off the end of the spindle to solve this problem, as well.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   repair tip posted by JONathan on 8/17/2004 at 4:59:05 AM
Thanks for sharing the tip. I have encountered similar problems with cranks. The drive-side can be tricky if the inner chainrings get to rubbing on the right chain-saty. A left-side reduction in crank thickness poses less concern, IMHO. Speaking of edge-grinders, I must say they are a bit tricky for such precision work. My helmut is off to a job well done!
Saved a bunch of bucks, too.

MISC:   Wives and Bikes...... posted by: Fred A on 8/16/2004 at 5:20:47 PM
OK, here'a a loaded question... Who out there has a wife that's into bikes? Mine hates them. Maybe that's because I have almost 50 at this point and she just doesn't quite understand my obsession with them. Quite a few are switched on and off for my riding pleasures, be it a Motobecane, a Peugeot, a Schwinn, etc. etc. If she had her way, they'd all be gone except for one. "That's all you really need" she'd say, and part of me agrees with her. But then I look at the "Museum" and all is forgotten. To her credit, though, or her "I must be nuts" attitude, she'll call me to tell me about a garage sale she just passed and they had bikes there. Maybe I'm wearing her down...maybe not. Depends on the day, I guess. They do take up room (see earlier Posts), but what fun!

So...any of you guys in the same predicament? Or any of you women for that matter?

   RE:MISC:   Wives and Bikes...... posted by Walter on 8/16/2004 at 8:37:14 PM
My wife is an overall better rider than I am. That's no great praise by itself but she recently rode with a "fast" group and held a 20mph pace for about 5 miles. At 16-17 she can spin along quite nicely. Of course it's very flat here. The only advantages I have is that I can muscle over the rare hill or more frequent bridge better than she can and can ride a headwind a little faster.

She recently inherited my cherished Colnago as I was forced to admit that it fit her better than me and fit her alot better than the one she was riding.

This doesn't give me carte blanche with collecting however. I'm at 6 and that's probably it.

   RE:MISC:   Wives and Bikes...... posted by T-Mar on 8/16/2004 at 11:00:42 PM
With the birth of our son, my wife gave up cycling. However, prior to that she was the best female cylclist in our local club. She's also an NCCP level 1 cycling coach. So, I don't have any problems in bringing home a new bicycle. In fact, when I see something I like, she's just as likely to encourage the purchase. The one thing I don't have to worry abouit is her using the tools, as she has no mechanical inclination.

   RE: Wives and Bikes...... posted by JB on 8/17/2004 at 12:02:36 AM
My wife doesn't ride..though I have a sweet ladies Nishiki hanging in the barn for her...now my teenagers are another story..daughter rides her Raleigh on a daily circuit..son rides his Bottecchia (a sweet ride)..and has recently challenged one of his buddies whose parents bought him a 1500$ new racer..I wouldn't bet against him...finally, guys, my wife admits I could have a more expensive "mid life" crisis...keep pedaling

   RE:MISC:   Wives and Bikes...... posted by Pat Lavery on 8/17/2004 at 12:19:11 AM
While my wife won't ride , she tolerates my hobby because she realizes it could be worse , I could spend all my time and money on a vintage Porsche or MG. Bikes as a hobby are a lot cheaper to indulge.

   RE:MISC:   Wives and Bikes...... posted by Oscar on 8/17/2004 at 3:27:32 AM
My wife falls off bikes alot, so she realy doesn't like to ride. As long as my bikes stay in the garage or the workshop, she's pretty tolerant.

   RE: Wives and Bikes...... posted by JONathan on 8/17/2004 at 5:33:17 AM
Seems that my wife is the least judgemental of my bike collecting hobby. I really cannot fathom why people make a big deal about it, collecting bikes. I gave up stamps, as it was too static. Although it definitely has advantages, like in the space requirement and valuation. Bikes are very undervalued, IMHO.
Not the junky stuff, but our VLW's are way under-valued. It's a trade-off game. I make no beefs about furniture or anything relating to inside the house. That is not to say I don't have opinions; I just keep them to myself. Likewise, as long as the bikes are kept out of the house, I get no grief. We are not a good riding pair, as she is all pleasure and recreation minded, whereas I want to blast off as fast as the wheels can spin, hnag corners...on the edge, so to speak. Last time we toured, she crashed. It was in Yosemite, too, with lots of cars around. I think that dampened her touring interests significantly. Fortunately, she is very coordinated from years of dance training and I made her wear gloves even though they were not bike gloves. She was more upset about having wrecked her deerskin gloves than anything else.
I was the basket case, full of guilt.

   RE:MISC: Wives and Bikes...... posted by James Mahon on 8/17/2004 at 4:37:02 PM
My wife doesn't cycle. She understands having a hobby but sees a bike as a toy or recreational vehicle. I commute to work by bike, and ride local races and tours on the weekends. I have a bit of an expanded obsession,though. I not only collect VLWs but I also repair all my friend's bikes and, taking it to the next step, build my own upright and recumbent frames. I have reduced the stock to six working bikes of my own, my wife's bike and my kid's 3 bikes. I have two frames in process on the brazing jigs. Unfortunately, during arguments with my wife, the bikes become a source of angst and bitterness resulting in threats of damage to the sacred stock. In the end, she agrees that it is better to spend money on this hobby than other vices. I just have to keep the spending to a reasonable level.

   RE: Wives and Bikes...... posted by Gralyn on 8/17/2004 at 6:01:00 PM
My wife doesn't ride (well, she will ride her big retro-cruiser down the Virginia Creeper Trail). She doesn't like the idea of me having bikes in the dormer of the bedroom. Recently, I had some in the dining room....and she wasn't too keen on that idea. She's not into it - but she's not firmly against it or anything. Recently, at a rummage sale, she found an old book from 1972 on bicycling - and brought it home. She has listed some of my bikes on e-bay, she has taken them to be shipped, and she was working on a website for my bikes.
Sometimes she seems supportive......but then other times she makes comments to the negative.

   RE: Wives and Bikes...... posted by TimW on 8/17/2004 at 11:12:51 PM
I still wonder if there are any women on this site who have similar stories about their husbands' disapproval with their bike passions ... anyone?

About my wife. She didn't even ride a bike until she was over 30, as she lived in downtown Manila and Hong Kong. I built her a nice mountain bike, and she took it out into alleys all day one day (when I was away), and taught herself to ride.

Now she rides to work often, and we do about half of our activites (maybe more) by bike around Vancouver. I have since converted a beautiful old Nishiki International (canti brake version) into a city comfort bike, and she only keeps the mountain bike for sentimental reaons (she won't let me sell it, a good sign).

As for her patience with my bike collecting, I guess it really is very good. I have my 5-6 best bikes in the living room (incl Flying Scot tandem, Raleigh Professional and Clubman) because of the horrible scratches and dents that a few nice bikes have gotten in the garage bedlam (20 complete bikes, plus another 30 odd frames). I have them looking beautiful and nicely displayed, so they pass as antiques along side some antique furniture.

As long as I get sensational deals on vintage bikes, and don't add to the number of bikes in the house, she seems to be fine with it. What helps, I think, is how many non-collectible bikes I rebuild and sell for people as commuters. We make a bit of money from that, more than I spend on the collector bikes. My wife's friends and co-workers come to me for bikes, so it all generates goodwill by my wife for my overall bike-o-mania.

She does occasionally ask me when we will sell the Flying Scot, though. I usually evade answering. I just like calling them all "long-term investments, kind of like RRSP's". It's fairly effective line, if any of you aren't already using it.


    Wives and Bikes...... posted by John E on 8/16/2004 at 5:41:09 PM
My wife appreciates the environmental, recreational, practical, and healthful advantages of bicycling, but she is afraid to ride in traffic. She reluctantly tolerates my cycling, and she doesn't object to my bikes, because I keep one at work and hang the other four from the garage rafters.

   RE:MISC:   Wives and Bikes...... posted by sam on 8/19/2004 at 12:59:34 AM
My wife never learned to ride a bicycle.Only real problem is it's hard to enjoy cycling together----I'm working on a vintage tandem---sam

   RE:MISC:   Wives and Bikes...... posted by Bryant on 8/21/2004 at 4:48:37 PM
My wife started me riding. She did the Cycle Across Maryland in 1999 and had so much fun, she got me going. We've done several other tours since then. She understands and appreciates my interest in VLW's however she does roll her eyes evry now and then when she goes into the garage where my collection is. I've sold more bikes than I have so she knows it is a self sustaining hobby, unlike my beer drinking.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Wives and Bikes...... posted by dent on 8/21/2004 at 6:12:56 PM
My wife use to ride with me 3-4 times a year, but hasn't lately. She says I ride to fast for her but believe me I don't (10-13mph). On our last ride as I was riding slightly ahead of her she lets out a yell, I turn to find she is being chased by a small hub height dog, a small 3-legged hub height dog that's keeping up with her, of course I busted out laughing which was not a good thing! The dog was a regular on my rides when I'm alone and always feel short of a good chase, in her dismay she made this little dogs day!

   RE:RE: Wives and Bikes...... posted by the wife with the bike on 9/13/2004 at 3:02:17 AM
i honestly dont know how anyone who is obssessed (sp?) with bikes marries someone who is not. my almost husband and i (we are getting married 10-16-04) are both totally obsessed with bikes. bikes are our life. we are having a bicycle parade in our wedding. instead of a liumo we are hiring a pedicab (like a rickshaw- attached to a bike).
and by the way- we have a bike shop in brooklyn at which we work together- side by side....loving bicycles every moment.
how do you live with someone who doesnt share or even approve of your hobby?
our cake topper is a tandem bike....
i am not knocking your relationships....i just dont understand how you do it.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   suntour accushift posted by: Ken on 8/16/2004 at 5:15:57 PM
I'm seeking info on the Suntour road groups from the accushift era. I found a useful list for mtn components at
and I've read the Berto article. Can any one point me to a site? Thanks.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   suntour accushift posted by RobA on 8/16/2004 at 5:29:23 PM
Hi Ken



has has lots of stuff on Accushift including SunTour tech manual #21



   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   suntour accushift posted by Ken on 8/18/2004 at 1:32:15 PM
Thanks Rob- I should have thought of Yellow Jersey- I had the tech download from the past. However, I'm still searching for a list as good as First Flight's for the names and intro years of the road groups.

AGE / VALUE:   1950's? frejus tour de france posted by: marc on 8/15/2004 at 10:12:35 PM

there's a link to the pictures of the bike in question. It's a frejus tour de france model. Campy gran sport derailleur, campy hubs, campy drop outs, balilla alloy side pulls with QR levers, frejus headset and cranks, frejus leather saddle, mavic rims. all the decals are there including the very early columbus tubing decal. there's a 1950 tour de france decal on the down tube, I know this means this bike is not from 1951 but I'm hoping someone can help deteremine if this bike is from the 50's or 60's, I know its pre bike boom. I paid 175.00 for it, I have no experience with frejus, was this worth it? I would like an idea of what it's worth so I can determine how much work to put into it. The fork is the only real major issue as it needs to be rechromed. I value all of your opinions so please bring them on.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? frejus tour de france posted by workingbikes on 8/15/2004 at 11:32:07 PM
I can't help but feel that I've seen that bike before. When it came into the shop, it was "married" to a matching Frejus woman's 10-speed with touring bars. It's a nice one with good Columbus tubing. That rust on the fork crown is disappointing. I wonder how well that will clean up.

Congrats on a very nice find, and thanks for picking it up.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1950's? frejus tour de france posted by schwinnderella on 8/16/2004 at 1:38:40 AM
Very cool bike marc.I assume you have looked at classicrendezvous,they have pics of a numbber of frejus as well as some serial number guidelines.
Here is a pic of mine although a totally different bike there do appear to be some similarities including the color.I believe mine dates to around 1962/63.
Does yours have a dealer sticker? Wastyn Schwinn in Chicago
sold frejus in the 60's and that is where mine was originally sold.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? frejus tour de france posted by sam on 8/16/2004 at 3:08:57 AM
Marc,is that your pathfinder on ebay?Sorry just had to ask.The Frejus is nice too.---sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? frejus tour de france posted by marc on 8/16/2004 at 7:19:28 AM
I would have bought the "matching" ladies if it hadn't been sold yet.

The one you have pictured looks similar to the one at working bikes.

That is my mead pathfinder on ebay, well I'm selling it for a friend.

   early 1960s posted by John E on 8/16/2004 at 5:46:16 PM
Based on the components, I vote for very early 1960s vintage. The colour looks like "Legnano green."

AGE / VALUE:   Carlton Catalina posted by: jack on 8/15/2004 at 5:04:03 AM
I stumbled across a Carlton Catalina in very nice shape. Capella lugs, Williams steel crank and steel Dunlap rims. Price will be close to $500 and I was wondering if it is worth that much? Any other Catalina owners out there?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Carlton Catalina posted by paul on 8/18/2004 at 2:36:54 AM
I don't have experience with your Carlton Catalina but I do own and ride a 1958 Lenton Grand Prix Reg Harris model with steel Dunlop rims, Reynolds 531 tubing, 4 speed FM Sturmey Internal hub plus a 3 cluster cyclo benelux derailleur. Machine is all original and unrestored and seems to be worth in the $300 range so $500 may be high on the Carleton. My Lenton is not for sale! Try to get the Catalina for $300. paul

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Carlton Catalina posted by jack on 8/20/2004 at 2:05:55 AM
Thanks for the info Paul, and yes I did get it for 300 so I'm tickled. Your Lenton is a classic and would sell here in Calif for at least 500. Of course pricing is so subjective depending on many factors.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by: Gralyn on 8/13/2004 at 8:13:04 PM
I am really out of storage space for my bikes. I have started trying to sell off some of them....and have listed a couple on e-bay.......so far - I've got rid of one. My garage is hanging full of them, my workshop is full, I have some in my bedroom. I had even got by storing some of them in my dining room.....because we were re-doing the dining room....and so it was emptied out....and gradually, several bikes made their way into the empty room. Well, we resumed working on the room....so the bikes had to go! I put them where I could. Now, I have 10 bikes in the dormer in my bedroom. I have 2 bikes in my bedroom that are dis-assembled - and are sitting in front of a window in another small nook.

Does anyone else have bikes stuck everywhere?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by Derek Coghill on 8/13/2004 at 11:07:19 PM
I'm looking at two as I type (spare bedroom) - it would be three but there's one at work at the moment - there's another seven in the front room. There are none in the garage because it's full of motorbikes. And a vintage car (in bits). Aaaaargh!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by RobA on 8/13/2004 at 11:37:28 PM
Yeah...I got that same problem....bikes everywhere....I think I have around about 100 now, maybe 3/4 of them, once the tires are aired, are more or less rideable. It's crazy; I can hardly move in my basement (along with all the other household junk)...and about 1/2 of my garage is full...I waste time now just trying to find thing. Only two bikes are on the main level of the house, though...I recently moved one down to the basement, a pristine Kalkoff(German touring bike), that my much loved, and now deceased, little cat(congestive heart failure at the age of about 9 years), used to use to help himself climb on and off the front window ledge.

Besides all the bikes, I have scads of components.... derailleurs, freewheels, wheelsets....tires and tubes....

I'm trying to narrow my focus somewhat...my primarily interest is the faster, lighter bikes...I haven't bought a bike for a while...but I know if I stumble on the right bike at the right price!!! ....during the summer the selection does tend to dry up somewhat, or the prices are too high...

But I VERY DEFINITELY am going to 'thin the herd' a bit ...well, someday...:)

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by JONathan on 8/14/2004 at 12:47:41 AM
You guys are lucky! Our house is totally off limits, under any circumstances, for any of my bikes. Still, that leaves the whole of the garage and two sheds. I use free standing racks that work OK, except last time I extracted a Raleigh "record" casued a "Varsity" that was roosting at the opposite end to get upset and gored the headlamp of its neighboring Peugeot UE-8 that now has crushed lens at both ends. That really wrecked my day. Those lens are rare as hens' teeth around here. The trick is to remove the pedals as they are the root cause of most entanglements...and scratches on frame tubes. Frames by themselves can be stacked using rubber bumpers at critical points prevents scratches. I take a quick survey of each bike for status designation. Four categories establish the status. The first is for bikes that are running good. They get front wheel removed and placed on a rack. Second is for bikes that need very little work to get running. These go inside the garage on hangers. Third is a bike that is really in need of work. These get knocked down to frame, cranks and brakes and hung on one of the back shed racks. Four is for basket case parts bikes. These get knocked down to frame and stacked. Parts are in stacked Rubbermaid 18Gal. boxes. These are real sturdy boxes. Wheels are the biggest problem. I try to wedge them in here and there, but it takes a complete hunt to find a specific wheel. I am working on that. They go inside a truck and under a lean-to on racks. Fortunately, the winters are pretty mild. A little polish and clear plastic bags work well to keep them preserved. My three runners are in the garage ready to go. Boeshield "T-9" works the best for rust prevention on exposed steel. Silicon spray works OK, too. Painting might be a problem if the silicon is not cleaned off completely, so I use it on surfaces that won't be painted. I am at the point where I have to think about where to put any rookie bikes, but that does not slow me down. I have tried my brother's place, he only has one vote
. I know what you are saying. It is good, IMHO, to be running at or near capacity.
My 2.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by Gralyn on 8/14/2004 at 12:56:21 AM
Removing the pedals.......
Stacking frames with rubber bumpers in-between....
That's what I need to do.....especially remove pedals. It only takes a minute....I should do it.....then I could probably get 11 or 12 in that bedroom dormer.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by JONathan on 8/14/2004 at 5:29:49 AM
Right! Wrap the pedals in foam packing material and use a zip-tie to secure to the chain-stays. My first racks were pretty crude affairs with hooks for the rear wheels, but that makes access a bit troublesome as the bikes can only pivot on that point. My later versions have moveable hooks that work much like clothing hangers in that the bike can slide left or right and pivot. THe handlebars are loosened just enough to swing 90 deg. so the compression on frames is maximized. I can get 8 bikes on a 6 ft. long rack. The rack ends are like inverted "T"'s with a cross piece mortised into the top. I use 7 bikes to a rack with an open slot to allow for easy extraction. I use 2x2's for bracing the vertical end peices. With an open "slot" it is easy to stack racks in rows and still access the bikes in the second or third row with relative ease by indexing the slots like a giant puzzle. So much for the garden tools! They get teak oil treatment and hang on the fence. Good luck, Gralyn! Fortunately for me, my eccentric behavior is pretty much ignored, and I can do whatever I want...outside.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by Brian on 8/14/2004 at 2:51:14 PM
If you've got a yard - consider what a cargo trailer can do for your space constraints. I have a small cargo trailer that easily holds ten bikes & all my parts, pump, stand, etc. Makes life much easier. It's a bike shop on wheels! Of course if you're in a apartment, condo, or townhouse - you're sool.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by T-Mar on 8/14/2004 at 10:49:45 PM
If pedal protrusion is a problem, rather than remove them, thread them into the back side of the crankarms. This way you don't mismatch or loose them. To protect the frame you can wrap the pedal in foam or bubble wrap, or place a short length of water pipe insulation over the appropriate frame tubes.

I've been in downsizing mode for the last two or three years. Currently, I'm down to about a dozen or so. Most, except for the tandem and a few regulars, are hung from storage hooks which are placed in the exposed joists in the basement ceiling. With the joists 16" apart, I can hang a bicyle from every joist, provided I alternate hanging them by the front and rear wheels. The pedals do not have to be removed or the handlebars rotated. Some purists insist you should not hang a bicycle by the front wheel, due to potential headset damage, but I do not subscribe to this and can't account for any damaged headsets that have been damaged due to this method of storasge.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by Pat Lavery on 8/14/2004 at 11:25:14 PM
I guess it hasn't reached the obsession point with me yet.
I only have seven bikes in the garage and I still have room for the lawn mower.

    Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by John E on 8/15/2004 at 3:51:10 AM
I hang 4 of my 5 bikes from the roof rafters in my garage and keep one bike, usually one of the Peugeots, in the warehouse at work. Son #1 hangs his Specialized HardRock from a rafter in the home office / art studio / family room, and son #2 keeps his mountain bike in a cedar garden shed. The spare Peugeot frame also hangs from a garage rafter. I have no time or space for any more bikes, and need to give away a surplus Giant 58cm road frameset. The only reason I would buy another bike at this point would be to replace one of my holdings with something better, or at least better for me, such as a 55cm PX-10 to replace the 58cm PKN-10, or a Specialissima or other top end full-Columbus Bianchi to replace the TreTubi Campione d'Italia.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by jack on 8/15/2004 at 5:01:27 AM
I almost solved my bike storage problem by making a free-standing rack out of 2x4s. It takes-up about 10ftx4ft of floor space and can hang ten ready-to-ride bikes up and outta the way.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by ollo_ollo on 8/17/2004 at 2:40:51 AM
Reading this thread could get me in big trouble! I managed to stabilize at a dozen or so complete & rideable bikes plus parts filling a few bins & drawers, bare frames & some extra wheelsets. But now I'm energized. With all these storeage tricks I could double or triple my herd if need be. I have a 28'X 28' heated garage & bikes share space with 2 cars. If we went down to 1 car, the possibilities are almost limitless. On the other hand any increase could result in losing my present privilege of bringing one new or freshly cleaned & rebuilt bike into our family room for final adjustments, bar taping or new tire mounting. Don

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by mike patterson on 8/17/2004 at 4:53:38 AM
I' starting to feel better about the "bike corral" out back of the shed and the bikes in the two racks beside the shed and the ones in the rafters and the two in the boys old playhouse (those two are oldest sons), and the six in the basement.
jonathan-I have the rear lense for your peugeot and may have the front, I'll look when I get back from the 5 day flea market (yes, several bikes are going.
also John E-if you need to get rid of the 58cm Giant-maybe we could trade a few pieces.......Mike

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by Gralyn on 8/16/2004 at 11:41:33 AM
One thing about storage for me - is that I want to be able to ride either of my bikes - whenever I want to....So, I don't want to store them in such a way they're not always ready to ride. I'm thinking about removing some pedals, though. I can label each pedal set according to the bike it goes with - then I wouldn't necessarily have to keep the pedals with the bike. I would probably keep one set of pedals...maybe the set I like best....handy....then which-ever bike I want to ride - I just put the pedals on it and go. That's one option.
Of course another option would be a nice, new, bigger workshop. But I'm dreaming.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Out of Room / Out of Storage Space posted by Fred A on 8/16/2004 at 2:26:16 PM
Add me to the list! I have 27 bikes on the third floor of my house (which use to be my studio when I did freelance illustration work), 7 in the basement, 3 in the garage, 8 in my shed and 3 in my father's basement. I sold 5 recently, but more need to go. And yes, boxes full of parts along with wheel-sets, etc.
Hey, I have to make room for the incoming!! Anybody out there live on or near Long island, NY looking for a bike?

Fred A