AGE / VALUE:   rusty buried bikes posted by: jason on 10/16/2005 at 4:10:05 AM
just had one of those stomp through the fields with a drunk guy looking for those bikes "somewhere out here" kind of days
found an atala grand prix, womens, very rusty, with compagnalo shifters, the rear derailer says "alentino extra"
on it, steel, rather rusty but not seized up, the front derailer moves as well, it seems to have a kind of pushrod mechanism, rather neat looking. I want to clean them up and put them on something fun. anyone have any idea about how old these may be? there is nothing other than some made in france brake levers and a stem that says TTT. I am impressed by the fact that they still work after years in the rain.
Speaking of rain and the elements, has anyone ever attemted to redo a leather saddle? I have about five old brooks that I want to experiment on. I have some tack experience, but any tips would be great.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rusty buried bikes posted by Randy on 10/16/2005 at 12:46:48 PM
Wouldn't it be great if there was one single location where a fellow could go to seek information pertaining to vintage lightweight bicycle and component dating? I get confused with what was made when also and do intend to sort it all out. You have found a Valentino derailleur set on the old Atala. My best guess as to the vintage would be after 1967, probably early seventies. That guess, however, is really ball park. Valentino components are pretty much Campagnolo entry level and, in my experience, work pretty good. The front derailleur is the weakest link, in my opinion. The Valentino components are frequently found on entry level Italian bikes from the bike boom era and later. Can't offer too much more than that at this time.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh International production posted by: Andrew on 10/15/2005 at 4:10:51 PM
Anyone know What kind of unit production did the International have during their heyday, late 60s though 70s. This one I just found at an estates auction($75.00)looks to be a 1971, tall 25" frame with the anniversary headbadge,chrome lugs, stays and forks. Has a four diget serial number stamped on the bottom bracket. Is this a full Reynolds 531 frame? Any details or history welcome !

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh International production posted by Paul on 10/16/2005 at 6:43:55 PM
Andrew, you don't say, but I assume your frame has Nervex lugs. Every International I have seen from the 70s has a full 531 frame. I sold Raleigh bikes from 1971 through 1976, and they all were 531, "Butted tubes forks & stays"
Your original Reynolds decal must be missing, too bad. Paul

MISC:   5 vs 6 speed freewheels posted by: David on 10/15/2005 at 2:12:36 PM
Here's a question that reveals how stuck in the past I am: Are 5 and 6 speed freewheels interchangeable? Or will I have to re-dish and change the spacers to use a 6-speed where a 5-speed was used before?

   RE:MISC:   5 vs 6 speed freewheels posted by Gralyn on 10/15/2005 at 4:17:43 PM
From what I can recall - most of them are interchangeable. But, you do run into some that aren't.....that is, there won't be enough space between the smallest cog and the frame. In those cases - you can add spacers and cold bend the frame spacing to make it fit.

   RE:MISC: 5 vs 6 speed freewheels posted by Walter on 10/17/2005 at 12:50:15 AM
The first 6 speed FWs were "ultra 6" nd should interchange with a 5 speed no problem. A 6 speed with standard spacing may or may not fit.

MISC:   Shimano Hub ID posted by: Petey on 10/14/2005 at 11:41:28 PM
I picked up a wheel set at yard sale last week and I need help identifying what they are. The rims are really nice narrow Araya eyeletted alloy with an older style ARAYA label. Spokes are straight gauge SS, brass nipples. The hubs are the test. The front has the Shimano logo, the word 'SHIMANO' and then an 'F C' or an 'F O', I can't tell. The rear is the same, but has 'F M'. Both have oiler holes and covers. The rear has a six speed cluster. I was told they came off a high end Miyata from the early eighties, but the hubs don't impress me with their quality. An ideas what model of hub? Thanks!

   RE:MISC:   Shimano Hub ID posted by Joe M on 10/16/2005 at 10:41:09 AM
Are the hubs high or low flange? The letters are most likely a date code. I have had several Shimano hubs from the mid to late 70's that have no series or model number on them, including the first generation of Dura-Ace.
Most of the high flange hubs were just run of the mill every day hubs, but I do believe there was an early Dura-Ace high flange hub as well.
The Araya rims sound like A-20's. They are a narrow, double walled rims with spoke hole grommets that resemble the Rigida 1320. These were found on many better quality bicycles.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ciocc posted by: Gralyn on 10/14/2005 at 8:27:07 PM
I spotted a Ciocc frame today at an LBS. It was for sale - $100. It looked decent....Frame, full chrome fork, Shimano 600 Headset, Bottom Bracket. Should I go for it? Should I make an offer? Does that seem like a decent price?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Ciocc posted by Warren on 10/15/2005 at 3:57:33 AM
Whats it made from. A gold Columbus sticker makes it a no-brainer, buy it if they guarantee it's straight. The Aelle or TreTubi (sp?) make it much less desireable unless it's in great shape and your size, of course.

The components are irrelevant.