MISC:   Overland bicycle posted by: C. Riley on 5/14/2005 at 3:01:58 AM
This question probally doesn't belong here, but here it is. Is the Overland bicycle company the same company that produced the bicycles the same one that manufactured automobiles? Thanks for any replies or references!!!

   RE:MISC: Overland bicycle posted by sam on 5/15/2005 at 1:26:28 AM
This is a hard one to answer with out more research.But many Auto companied did begin as Bicycle companies.Ford built bicycles.The dodge brothers built bike parts.And also Rambler--American motors was a bicycle company as was Pierce Arrow.I think Overland was part of the Rio car company and I also think at sometime Columbia/Pope badges some of their bikes as overland.---sam

   RE:RE:MISC: Overland bicycle posted by Dick in FL on 5/15/2005 at 6:26:37 PM
The name of the REO automobile (not RIO) was an acronym for Ransom E. Olds of Oldsmobile fame. Ironically, "Overland REO" is the name of a computer storage/backup system. The Overland auto became part of Willys and then Jeep. My old man once had an Overland Whippet. FWIW: General Motors adopted the policy of badge-engineering a twin for each of its lines (except Chevrolet) to enhance market share. So we have (had) REO, LaSalle, Oakland, forgot Buick's. If you are familiar with Ralaigh history, this is a familiar story.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Overland bicycle posted by sam on 5/16/2005 at 3:04:41 AM
Didn't Willys become part of Studabaker?(bet I didn't spell that right!)And somehow Jeep ended up part of American Motors---(the old G&J bicycle company.)REO(not rio)I didn't know that(Ranson E. Olds)Thanks.Lot of cars went under in the late 30s.And some of the well known names(cars) are still producing other goods---American Motors is White Consolidated--(washing machines.)---sam

   RE:MISC:   Overland bicycle posted by Ron on 5/16/2005 at 1:09:02 PM
GM was formed when the Oldmobile car company, Buick, Chevrolet, and some others joined forces. Ransom Ely Olds was forced out of the company that he started, so he started up REO. Even after REO stopped making cars, they continued for decades making semi trucks under the Diamond-REO name. They may still be in business, I just haven't heard anything in the last couple years.
Jeep became part of Willys-Overland when Willys got the military contract to build Jeeps before WW2. After the war, Willys began to market the vehicles to farmers, loggers, etc. The early jeeps have "Willys" stamped into the body. At the old Jeep plant in Toledo, Ohio, the smokestack has "Overland" spelled out in the bricks. I'm not sure what year Willys, Nash and Rambler combined to form AMC.
Toledo, like most large towns in the late 1800s, had several bicycle companies, so it is quite possible that the companies are related.

   RE:RE:MISC: Overland bicycle posted by sam on 5/18/2005 at 9:01:56 PM
Hope we don't get in trouble talking cars too much here.Lots of car companies did start as bicycle companies.
On when rambler became AMC--well in 1903 when they started. G&J bicycle(seller of the G&J Rambler Bicycle)started American Motors(AMC) in 1903 their car model name was "Rambler"---sam PS Consolidated of Toledo had a hand in the first motorized vehicle to cross America. A Califorinia(Yale)motor bicycle.

   willys bicycle posted by Banjo Niño Flores on 3/2/2006 at 2:59:10 AM
Can anybody help me. I buoght an old bicycle and it has a Willys cycle trademark. Its a vintage bicycle according to the original owner. I surf the internet for additiol info about it but i could not find anything. I would appreciate it if anybody can share with me any info on this bicycle

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn sports tourer posted by: marc on 5/12/2005 at 5:43:33 PM
Last week, I picked up a 1971 schwinn sports tourer. It was around 80% complete, still had the campy boat anchor rear derailleur but was missing the original wheels and rear caliper. It's the kool orange color and although it's still pretty shiny there are lots of scratches. Taking all of this into account I felt less guilty about turning it into a fixed gear. Ever since reading the article about these fillet braised bikes on sheldon brown's website, I've wanted one. The only ones I've come across were super sports that were giants and besides that they had those god awful cranks. Well I lucked out because this was my size but what the heck is with the french threading?

The thing weighed a ton but after stripping everything off, replacing the cranks with 165mm avocets, replacing the seat post, and adding 700c wheels and a universal front brake I got it down to a respectable 21 pounds, give or take. I haven't taken it for a long ride yet but I love it so far. The frame feels lively and stiff. The geometry is very comfortable but yet I feel like I can really pick up and go. I've got to find a proper rear wheel for it, right now I've got the wheel I built with the 50's campy flip flop hub from my raleigh track bike. I've been looking for a bike that I could ride around town on and not worry about trashing it and I think this is it, although the thought has crossed my mind about sending it to a schwinn restorer to having it repainted. I even thought it would be great to have it chromed. well we'll see.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn sports tourer posted by Gralyn on 5/12/2005 at 11:43:27 PM
I have a green '71 Sports Tourer. It's 100% complete. I plan to clean it up nicely and make it look new. In today's terms - it's a tank - I don't know how much it actually weighs - but it does have alloy wheels, alloy bars and stem, alloy cranks....So compared to say, a Continental, or Varsity - it's pretty light - and light for it's time. It's nice to know stripped down to a fixie - it's around 21 lbs.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn sports tourer posted by Maurice on 5/14/2005 at 4:00:31 AM
I have an original first year 1971 Sports Tourer - I've had no problems with the original Campy Gran Turismo derailleur after some initial tweaking - just had to replace the chain (with an old Sedis) the crank is the original Pro 5 TA Cyclotouriste alloy - polished up like new money - the hubs are the large oval hole cut outs that read "Schwinn Approved De Luxe" probably made by Normandy and the Weinmann rims have double butted spokes that are chrome plated - I switched the Atom pedals to the old Lyotard quill type and have the Lapize straps. The bike is burgundy in color and extremely comfortable on long rides. The rear freewheel at the time was the largest you could find on a production bike 14-34 with the last two cogs having the wide 1 inch pitch - making the shifts up hills easier - the bike really stands out on a weekend ride and the frame takes the shock out of the road with the 27 x 1 1/4 Continental Sport 1000 tires. This one stays.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Schwinn sports tourer posted by marc on 5/14/2005 at 4:33:17 PM
Yeah I've got the original crankset, has anyone tried turning this into a tripple? It's got that blank guide ring in the middle and I think this can be replaced. I figure i'll have to play around with some spacers but I think it can be done. I was planning on using the crankset with a raleigh competition frame I have.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Schwinn sports tourer posted by Gralyn on 5/17/2005 at 2:21:41 AM
I haven't done anything to mine yet - but if you could add a 3rd chainring to that original crankset - without too much difficulty - that would be really cool.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn sports tourer posted by Patrick on 5/19/2005 at 3:39:39 AM
I bought a very beat up 72 Sports Tourer last year and am nearly done with the rebuild. I will be painting it to match the Opaque Green offered that year. I have laced up a set of Weinmann concave wheels and am using the original DeLuxe hubs. Yes, these were Schwinn branded Normandy and they polish up beautifully. The triple on a TA crank was not offered by Schwinn but was made. See a great closeup of one on the cover of the excellent book by British builder Tony Oliver "Touring Bikes - A Practical Guide" published in 1992 by Crowood Press. If you find a triple TA, be sure to use the longer spindle to have proper chain alignment. I am interested in the Campy deraileur if you do not want it.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn sports tourer posted by Maurice on 5/21/2005 at 12:30:59 PM
Patick - would like to see some pics of your Campus Green Sports Touer resto when complete - are you looking for a Gran Turismo rear der? If so what condition? Check your email for a Sports Tourer.



   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn sports tourer posted by Kevin K on 5/23/2005 at 1:46:51 PM
Hi. I've also an Opaque Green Sports Tourer. The bike will soon be ready for new paint. I secured NOS decals at a swap meet. You can go to your local hobby store and buy Testors Model Masters Sublime Green paint. It's very close to the original color in both enamel and lacquer. If you use lacquer you can then clearcoat with clear also offered. Enjoy, Kevin

AGE / VALUE:   vintage colnago posted by: tony on 5/12/2005 at 5:23:20 PM
trying to find any info on my current colnago frame.
columbus sl tubing,only other markings it has is the word "SPRINT" stamped onto the bottom bracket tube on top on the right side..any info as to year and model and or value would be appreciated


VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by: Bob on 5/12/2005 at 4:50:50 PM
I’ll save you all the long and boring story about how I’ve been looking for a good road bike for a year now, picking them up cheap only to find they are way too big or way too crappy.

I finally found one that fits me perfectly, a bright yellow Bianchi from the thrift that cost $48 - a lot to me, but I went for it. I can’t wait to ride it - sadly the rear wheel is the general shape of a giant potato chip – and I’ll have to build a new one.

But since I am now obsessed, I would appreciate some help finding which model of Bianchi it is, since there is no model indicated anywhere on the frame.

I searched the archives of this discussion area, and Sheldon Brown’s web site and I’m pretty certain the bike is an ’87. It has a ‘made in italy’ sticker, and all of the Columbus tubing info in Italian. “Formula two, reinforenzi, etc.” It’s decked out in Shimano 105 throughout, has Bio-pace chainrings and it’s a twelve speed. The rims are Ambrosia 19 elites.

Did I mention that it’s bright yellow? Oh yeah, and I think it was originally purchased in Canada.

I can post a picture if that will help - yes i am obsessed.

I hope this is enough info, please let me know which model and any additional information about that model.



   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by JONathan on 5/12/2005 at 5:08:21 PM
Nice find! There was one called; "Limited" that's about the same era. Possible?

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by Bob on 5/12/2005 at 7:56:18 PM
Thanks for your remarkably quick response.

Did they manufacture more than one model type per year? If so, where would the Limited be on the Bianchi food chain?

My guess is mine wasn't the top of the line (although it is to me) or it would be filthy with campy components.

I suppose it's too much to ask if there's a place online where I can look at an 87 Bianchi catalog.

Thanks again!


   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by Kurt K. on 5/13/2005 at 8:18:53 PM
Try your luck with the catalog here:


Take care,


   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by Randy on 5/15/2005 at 2:35:27 PM
Here is another source for Bianchi catalogs. http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/my_bianchi/index.html The text is in Japanese but the scans often speak for themselves. the fellow who put the site up seems to be a Bianchi enthusiast and he might even be able and willing to offer some information. Best of luck and nice find.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by Bob on 5/16/2005 at 4:05:47 PM
Thanks for all of your help!

I looked at the first webpage with catalog photos, and I was pretty sure my bike was a "Giro" the difference being that the Giro was made in Italy with Columbus tubing and the "Limited" was built with Tange.

It was a little confusing because the catalogs weren't dated, but I was pretty sure of the manufacture date, so I happily printed the picture of the "Giro" model, waved it around in triumph and received a polite smile from my girlfriend (I'd love to surprise her with a Zebra Kenko some day - her first touring bike - any ideas?).

Then I checked the other website, which is organized very well by date, but it's hard to see the details in the photos. What I could tell reasonably well was that the big "Bianchi" logo-decal on the seat tube and down tube of my bike matches the 90-92 model years, but not '87.

I was pretty sure it was an '87 - the bottom bracket is stamped 87 and then below it something like 4587. I admit I have'nt found anything that says for sure that these numbers correspond with a bike's year of manufacture, so I was guessing.

But, if I correctly understand Sheldon Brown's article on Shimano, there is a two letter code with corresponding manufacture dates stamped on all Shimano components. I looked up the letters on the S105 components on the table he provides and found they corresponded to the year 1987. So I was fairly sure the bike was an 87-88.

Now I am fairly sure that my screamin' yellow Bianchi (SYB) is at the lower end of the Italian made Bianchis from the early 90's. I suppose that's close enough, although I'd love any additional advice or help.

Still can't wait to ride it.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by JONathan on 5/17/2005 at 3:55:01 AM
Very interesting that my "Limited" is Columbus "tubi", rinforzati, frame and forks; however the componentry is Shimano "600" thoughout. I guess the term "groupo" applies.
There is "Tange" stamped on the head-set locking ring. Made in Italia with Japnanese componentry. This is a fine bicycle for all-around riding; maybe more sport than tourer, but it can be used for light touring. It is right up there with my '86 "Team Fuji". My opinion is the late '80's lightweights represent the epitomy of steel-framed bikes. It was the threshold of a radical changes in construction...and it is the end of the VLW era, IMHO, of course. Keep it and enjoy.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by T-Mar on 5/19/2005 at 1:27:34 AM
The 1980s, Italian made Bianchi typically have a two section date code. The first section consists of one alpha and one numeric character, and numeral appears to indicate the last digit of the year of manufacture. What you read as as 87 could be a B7 or an L8 read upside down. Either way, that still puts the frame manufacture as '87 or '88 and is corroborated by the components codes.

As to the model, it could be a Brava. These were Shimano 105 equipped and have been seen with both Italian and Japanese manufactured frames. I had one for a short time, before it was sold to a needy triathlete. It was black with celeste colored saddle, bar tape and decals. A very nice, mid range bicycle.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by Bob on 5/24/2005 at 2:45:48 PM
Hmmmm...that seems reasonable, and supports my original conclusion about the year.

When I checked out the posted catalog pages I was refered to from here, the decals didn't match up with that year. But I'm willing to admint I need thicker glasses.

Maybe if I described the decals. The logo decals on the seat and down tubes have sort of a magenta colored right-angle triangle with the top lopped off (it looks somewhat like a sail). It is to the left of the "B" and there is a line coming from it that bisects the word "Bianchi".

The more common decal for the late 80's seemed to be a pair of bluish, curled-up leaves, to the left of the B in Bianchi, and no line.

I'll try to post a picture.

Thanks again for all your help, and btw, next week I have all of my free time next week (yes it will take me that long) dedicated to building a new rear wheel so I can actually ride it.




   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   which model of Bianchi? posted by thom in mtl on 6/5/2005 at 4:21:38 PM
my last race bike was a bianchi w/ formula II columbus tubing, made in italy. i customized it pretty radically with campagnolo super record, a stronglight? crank, and cinelli "criterium" bars. my rims were mavic (330's i think)and triangular-shaped.
i eventually sold it when i quit racing. but i remember the decal beneath the seat post was light green.


WANTED:   Too many bikes.... not enuff seatposts! posted by: Elvis on 5/12/2005 at 1:25:29 PM
Hi all, well I got the Scwhinn roadie's wheels trued,Problem is, I also a sweet alu Giant mtb with nice adhjustible front shocks. As I currently have no off road bike, I am agonizing over whether or not to fix up the giant. I got it free, only like a year old, but hit by car, just needed new cranks an wheels, the alu frame appears fine -- all the damage was to the cranks.
I know this is a vintage lightweight forum, but anyone know what size seat it takes? Giant Boulder SE mtb, only a year or so old [if that].

the 31.8mm diameter [bmx size] is too wide, but the 27.2, etc. road stuff too small. So are 29mm posts. I wonder do you all know what size seatpost it'd take?

-- Elvis

   RE:WANTED:   Too many bikes.... not enuff seatposts! posted by Kurt K. on 5/12/2005 at 4:01:04 PM
Got a caliper?

If you don't, most bike shops have an tool (looks like a gradually expanding seatpost), with the correct size marked on it.

Take care,


   RE:RE:WANTED:   Too many bikes.... not enuff seatposts! posted by JONathan on 5/12/2005 at 4:58:30 PM
A newer model would likely have parts support from a local shop that sells Giant; they are all over. Also, try the MTB forum. A crashed Aluminum-framed bike is risky, IMHO, of course. However, there are crashes and then there are "crashes". Any force that disrupts a crank must have exerted something on the frame. But, what do I know? Good luck.