VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   motobecane mirage posted by: Danno on 7/27/2005 at 5:58:43 PM
my uncle just gave me a vintage motobecane mirage it's in fairly good shape minus a few paint scratches. He bought the bike in oregon city about 30 years ago. I am just trying to figure out what year it was manufactured the serial # is 2921196 it's a light blue a ten speed, any help would be wonderful also if anyone has any idea how much these bikes are worth I wouldn't mind finding that out either. thanks

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: motobecane mirage posted by Walter on 7/28/2005 at 2:34:53 AM
The Mirage was generally the 2nd bike up from the botom of the Moto line. It was ahead of a model called Nomade. I bought a Nomade in '77 or '78 and own a '78 Gran Jubilee which is another few steps up the line.

Both the Nomade and Mirage had fairly heavy hi-tensile steel frames. My Nomade weighed about 28# total though I did lighten it up some. In comparison a Mirage had a 2 tone paint job, quick release wheels and by '77 a SunTour drivetrain.

Moto did a nice job with paint and decals and if yours is well preserved should be a good looking bike.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: motobecane mirage posted by Alice on 7/29/2005 at 2:20:42 AM
Hey Danno

Can you post a pic? I just got a Mirage, too.

*see above*

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   motobecane mirage posted by T-Mar on 7/30/2005 at 2:36:02 AM
Yes, if you can post a pic, or list the brands and models of components, we can probably narrow down the year. Also, what does the tubing decal say?

MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show and Watertown Swap/ August 14th posted by: Peter Naiman on 7/27/2005 at 1:33:36 PM
A number of events beside the Concours are planned for Sunday August 14th. David Herlighy, noted cycle historian and author will be attending and doing a book signing and talk, the Wheelman will be attending and plan on riding at the show in period dress with possibly giving demonstration on riding a highwheeler. Mavic Wheels which is now a sponsor of the show is planning a demonstration which I will have more information on later.

At 9:00AM Jack Demerest or as most of his friends know him as Five Speed Jack will open the day by leading a ride through Bostons famed Emerald Necklace and return to the show at roughly 10:00AM for the shows opening. For those who want to drop off bikes and go on the ride, I will be at the Museum of Transportation by 8:30AM to take bikes in so those folks can go on the 9:00AM ride.

For more information about the show, please see our website at and thank you to Webmaster Vin Vullo for updating and hosting our site.
I can be contacted on my email address listed with this post for additional information on the show.

Hope to see you all there.

Peter Naiman
Shorewood, WI

MISC:   72 paris sports posted by: Bruce on 7/27/2005 at 11:57:05 AM
A buddy of mine mentioned he has a bicycle he bought in 73. It is called a Paris Sport, turquoise in color and a 10 speed, he has moved numerous times and always resists the urging of his wife to sell it. Does anyone have any information of a bike like this? He still rides it, just curious. Thanks, may have picture later.

   RE:MISC:   72 paris sports posted by Randy on 7/27/2005 at 5:59:52 PM
I picked up a Paris Sport a couple of years ago for $5.00 at a local yard sale. The bicycle was, pretty much, low end with Shimano tourney brakes and 333 components. Ordinary frame, simple lugs and pressed drops. I saved the headbadge and gave the rest to a local thrift shop.

You can learn a bit more about the Paris bicycle company at the Calssic Rendezvous site. Here is the address to the Paris page

I hope this information helps in some small way.


AGE / VALUE:   Rochet... posted by: Randy on 7/27/2005 at 2:46:34 AM
Lady luck smiled on me again, the other day, at the local dump.

The local landfill site employs university students each summer. One of these young people decided to collect EVERY single bicycle that ended up in the dump, missing only a very few, one of which I got at the beginning of the summer(an early seventies Legnano). Since then, nada. She, a petite university student named "Sam", got the rest, however; I managed to strike a deal with her the other day. I can view the collection, from time to time, and select bikes that I want. I give her two or three good condition working bikes for each one that I take. This works well for me since I have so many bikes that have little collectable value and have been looking for a use for them.

At any rate, I enjoyed the first trade this weekend past. I found a 1975 Holdsworth in pretty darn good condition and exactly my size. I brought it home, pumped up the tires and took it for a short spin(really short - tires didn't hold air for very long). The bike rides well, the Brooks Professional saddle is very comfortable and everything works just right. I also found a very good condition Chiorda which does not do all that much for me(I already have two of them, now three). But, the last find of the day was special, in my humble opinion...

A Rochet "Paris"! This early to mid fifties(best guess so far) is cosmetically challanged with some chrome flaking off of various components and miserably faded paint but all there(except the front wheel) and working. The Simplex transmission is quite old. The front derailleur, which has a gigantic cage, is not cable actuated. The rider has to reach down to shift a lever from ring to ring. The rear derailleur is spring loaded(the spring runs from the derailleur to the bottom bracket. This old Simplex derailleur does not work on the parallogram principle. It is a straight rod push thingy(pictures can be seen at the Classic Rendezvous web site for those who are interested) The shifter for the rear derailleur is mounted on the top tube and works a four cog freewheel. The rear hub is pantographed with the "Rochet" name and the Lyotard "rat trap" pedals have "Rochet" cut into them. Really old Mafac brake calipers handle the stopping requirements, however; the handlebars and brake levers are not original. The frame is in pretty good condition and features beautiful Nervex lug work(the nicest lugs I have in my collection to date even though they are not chromed). All in all, I am thrilled with the Rochet and look forward to getting it ready for test riding. Needless to say, I am looking for a Rochet front wheel hub and would be willing to make a generous trade if anyone out there has one to offer.

Actually, the whole situation really worked out well for me since I no longer have to go to the dump to check and see what has surfaced. Sam gets the bikes and stashes them in preparation for transportation to Africa. I have been invited to view and collect what I want at my leisure and, of course, meet my part of the deal by supplying her with two or three bikes for each one that I collect. When she finishes working for the summer, the bikes will, as I mentioned earlier, be sent to Africa. She has already written to the Prime Minister of Canada, explaining her plan. He wrote her back and placed responsibility to help her with an appropriate ministry. I certainly wish her well in this thoughtful endeavor.

Any way, I just thought that the rest of you would like to hear this story. Now I have to get back to the final finishing of my Cambio Rino "2000" frame and fork set. I painted it up, fabricated a decal set and the whole thing turned our just great(not perfect but I did learn a great deal which I will share on my web site this fall). Till next time "Keep the rubber side down".

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rochet... posted by Gralyn on 7/27/2005 at 12:11:11 PM
Wow! I need some kind of arrangement like you have. So far, I don't have anything - and have never really got the word out to folks that I collect / tinker with old bikes. Now, my brother is well aware of my bike collecting - yet the other day he's telling me he saw a pretty nice bike at the I say: Why didn't you get it for me? Well, maybe in the future if spots one - he will get it for me.

At my favorite thrift store - over time, a lot of bikes pile up - especially department store brand bikes. Periodically, someone would load a tractor-trailor full and ship them to S. Africa.

I was just thinking the other day: wondering whether a lot of broken/crashed bikes end up as donations to thrift stores - who then throw them in the dumpster.....and whether a lot of broken/crashed bikes end up at the dump....and I was thinking of all the good parts still on these bikes.....and how could I tap into that resource.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rochet... posted by Kurt K. on 7/30/2005 at 12:17:59 AM
>and how could I tap into that resource

Ask the thrift shop ask where it goes to...
...'follow' it to the proper local dump...
...proceed to ask the dump where the bikes go...
...ask if you may have the bikes...
...the rest I'm sure you can figure out ;-)


AGE / VALUE:   excelsior bicycle made in michigan city,in. posted by: tony on 7/26/2005 at 10:43:48 PM
Do you have any info on a excelsior bicycle made in michigan city,in.Its a pre-war with 28x1"1/2 wheels. Thanks Tony

   RE:AGE / VALUE: excelsior bicycle made in michigan city,in. posted by sam on 7/29/2005 at 12:31:39 AM
I have no info on them ,but I have seen them on ebay from time to time---very nice head badges.---sam