VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot or ???? posted by: Robert on 8/27/2005 at 9:08:40 PM
Bought an older bike from a thrift store this week. It appears to be a 70's by the components and the 5 speed freewheel. Simplex derailleurs and shifter, Mafac brakes ect. A couple of made in France decals. It also has decals that read "FRANCIA" on the sides of the downtube. In the area where the headbadge should be a decal says Stetenne Francia.
Even though the paint is in pretty good condition , the decals are very cracked and hard to read so the spelling may be a bit off here. But near the top of the seat tube there is the Peugeot logo (lion?)with the word Peugeot under it.

Anyone know what this is? Is it a Peugeot or some other brand that had
the decal added?? I have not had much luck finding anything, but may not be looking in the right places.


      Peugeot or ???? posted by John E on 8/28/2005 at 12:11:59 AM
I have seen a few St. Etienne bikes, and they are obviously French, but I had never personally made the connection to Peugeot until I read your post. Yours, of course, evidently is a Peugeot; whether there was a separate St. Etienne marque at one time, I do not know.

   RE:   Peugeot or ???? posted by JONathan on 8/28/2005 at 8:15:38 AM
Has to Peugeot, IMHO. The St. Etienne I think refers to the specific region in France where a lot of bikes were built. Just a guess. Check Sheldon Brown's; "French Bicycles" section on his web site. Those Mafac "racer"'s are excellent for adjusting to almost any rim. The pads are multi-positional as opposed to just up or down in a groove on the caliper ends.

   RE:RE:   Peugeot or ???? posted by Douglas on 8/29/2005 at 5:28:18 AM
And they squeal like Bobby Trippe.

   RE:RE:RE:   Peugeot or ???? posted by JB on 8/31/2005 at 10:58:24 PM
St. Etienne was a hub of cycling..I have a Cycles France-Loire bike purchased in 75..components are similar to Peugeot mid-range bikes..simplex..mafac..atax old time favorite...heavy by todays standards, but sweet French geometry..

AGE / VALUE:   Bridgestone Aries Bicycle posted by: Bill on 8/27/2005 at 2:22:09 PM
I have this bike but can not find out anything about it. Can anyone reccommend a web site, etc.?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bridgestone Aries Bicycle posted by David on 8/27/2005 at 5:20:05 PM
Maybe someone has a catalog including this bike boomer.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bridgestone Aries Bicycle posted by JONathan on 8/29/2005 at 7:42:50 AM
Bridgestone made bikes in Japan that were named after stars (astronomical); such as "Regulus" and "Spica". Mine are mid-70's to early '80's respectively. Can't say when they stopped naming after stars, but probably in the '80's. Typical attributes are nice finish with good sloppy lugwork. I have one model "400" that's very nice for a mass-produced frame. SunTour and side-pulls which turn out to be excellent brakes. Mine are the "BR" (number?) series sidepulls. Basic, all-around solid bike. Good find.

WANTED:   Campy chainring posted by: Gene on 8/26/2005 at 3:52:09 AM
I would like to acquire, in order of preference, a 42, 43, or 44 tooth, 151mm BCD, Campignolo chainring for the 1960s vintage Record crank. Would prefer OEM, but will consider 3rd party.

   RE:WANTED: Campy chainring posted by schwinnut on 8/27/2005 at 6:04:51 AM
The smallest chainring for the first-generation Record crank would be 44 teeth, if I'm not mistaken. Original Campy will probably cost a bundle, but Sugino rings are out there in 151 bcd for a lot less.

   RE:WANTED:   Campy chainring posted by Gene on 8/27/2005 at 9:57:27 PM
You're not mistaken. Going back to the catalogue, it in fact indicates 44 to 57 teeth range for chain rings. Thank you. Is there a viable website for the Sugino rings you mentioned?

     Campy chainring posted by John E on 8/28/2005 at 12:05:18 AM
151mm Sugino rings are very rare. Try and

   RE:WANTED:   Campy chainring posted by Corey on 8/28/2005 at 2:53:08 PM
Perhaps also these guys,


AGE / VALUE:   frameset posted by: Geo on 8/25/2005 at 7:46:16 PM
Has anyone ever seen/heard of a road bike made by Winchester? The firearms company I'm certain as the headbadge shows weapons. It has pretty nice lugs. unfortunately I did not buy it (cheap) when I had the chance although I might be able to track down the seller and now I can't find any references to these bikes at all. thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   frameset posted by David on 8/26/2005 at 8:10:32 PM
I remember seeing "Browning" bikes during the bike boom. I suspect other firearms brand names were used too. I have no idea who actually made these bikes. It's hard to imagine a rifle factory converting to bikes. They both involve steel tubes, but...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: frameset posted by schwinnut on 8/27/2005 at 6:17:59 AM
Birmingham Small Arms (BSA) manufactured firearms long before producing motorcycles and bicycles. I've seen some lovely BSA road-racing bicycles from the early post-WWII era, with headbadges sporting 3 rifles.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: frameset posted by sam on 8/27/2005 at 4:37:33 PM
Has anyone ever seen/heard of a road bike made by Winchester?In Mexico---sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: frameset posted by Chris on 8/29/2005 at 12:13:54 AM
"Winchester Farm and Garden tools, Stand The Test Of Cultivation."
Another arm of the same company? info is out there, keep looking.

AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by: Kevin K on 8/25/2005 at 1:43:18 PM
Hi all. I picked up a nice Motobecane Jubilee Sport. Mix of Campy and replacement Suntour parts. Nice fillet brazed frame of Columbus tubing. The decal is frech so I've no idea what it says. Anyone know this bike? Quality. Rides smooth and fast. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by Walter on 8/26/2005 at 12:59:27 PM
Bike is French. Moto used the name "Jubile" for quite a number of years. Throughout most of the 70s the bikes were "Gran Jubile" and are very nice. From about 1976 and earlier the frames were Reynolds 531 and a nice mix of Campy changers with Stronglight cranks, frequently in a sharp black/red 2 tone paint. I have a 78 and by then they'd lost some of their pedigree but are still quite nice. Mine is a Vitus 888 frameset with SunTour changers and Sakae crankset. It's still a 2 tone, gold/brown.

I believe the Jubilee Sport is a early 80s bike.

Moto went out sometime in the 80s. The French successor is MBK and I don't think they market in the US.

The Moto name was recently bought and is used on a line of modern Asian made bikes which are reputed to be superb deals but have no relation to the old French company.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by Gralyn on 8/26/2005 at 1:46:10 PM
I have one. It's great! Very light. The only negatives were: the original bars - have this rubber coating/grip thing - that is supposed to look like it's stitched on....the grip also covers the brake levers - like hoods normally do. It looks fine - but it just feels "sticky" to me - so I replaced it with grooved bars with aero levers and cork tape. The other negative - was the rear cogset. It has that Maillard Helicomatic system - which is fine....except that the cogs are just straight teeth cogs....and I didn't like how it changed gears. I swapped out the wheel set for a Wolber wheelset - with regular free hub....put a Hyper Glide 6-speed on it shifts great! Too bad...because the original wheel set is very lightweight!
I'll send you some pics

If your original bars / grip are decayed - let me know if you think you might be interested in those original bars with the grip covering I took off mine.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by JONathan on 8/26/2005 at 6:23:15 PM
Thanks, Walter, for history on Motos. I have 2 "GranTour" Motos; one has Vitus tubing, the other is 2040. Can't compare the rides directly as the vitus frame is a mixte. They are superbly finished for middle-quality bikes. Both are mid-70's due to SunTour friction-shift componentry as original. The 2040 frame is not real lightweight, but neither am I, so the ride is lively. A lighter rider might say it was a bit sluggish, but the "flex" is OK with enough mass pushing. I straightened the forks on this one (first success on a bike after several chucks) and the bike is now a favorite for long recreation rides. The Jubilee must be a great bike. Nice find! I see mostly junk, although ain't been lookin' much lately. The few stops have been disappointing. The Bertin (also French) was a lucky-just-arrived find, otherwise it would have been gone. A guy has to be right there when it hits the floor. Maybe a lot more collectors than used to be are haunting the thrifts. The sea of bikes from years ago are no more. That is sad for this putzer, but I sure am glad for anyone who can find a real that Jubilee. Gralyn, I know exactly what you refer to in that handle-bar wrap. Mine melted off, literally. It was oozing down off the bars; way beyond sticky. I had to really work to get that junk cleaned out of there. It is like it is really a liquid with extremely high viscosity or something. THe corky tape is a good replacement, I think.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by Gralyn on 8/26/2005 at 8:38:21 PM
My original gummy wrap is still intact - although sticky - but not melted away. I replaced bars and all. The stuff was in too good of condition to cut it off the bars - so I left bars, wrap, levers, stem, intact. I also had the similar wrap on my LeVelo - except that it didn't go over the brakes as hoods - there were just opennings for the brake levers. I'm thinking maybe I sold that LeVelo about a week ago.....

I know what you mean about the bikes at thrift stores. These things are seriously getting fewer and fewer as time goes by. I used to know of 8-10 stores where I could find bikes.....that is, from time-to-time they would have bikes...most of the time bike boom 1020 framed stuff, etc......but occasionally something decent. However, over the past several months.....none of those stores has had a bike. The one thrift store (my favorite) where I have found a majority of my bikes.....still very rarely has a decent bike....more and more rarely as time goes by. The latest one's I found were a Schwinn Super Sport and a Nishiki Prestige.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by Walter on 8/27/2005 at 1:12:55 AM
Motos had a reputation for fit/finish quite a bit better than their French competitors, notably Peugeot and most of the other Boomers. Even their low-enders are nicely painted and decalled. Shame the company didn't make it.

Kevin, like I said before I'm pretty sure is an 80s bike. The Jubiles I posted about were all lugged frames ad were the models a step up, the Grand Records. Also Moto used 531 in their high line bikes throughout the 70s, I'm fairly certain.

I promised the wife no more bikes after the Jubile but if I found a really clean 531 GR in the black/red with the Campy/Stronglight drivetrain I might have to risk the wrath...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by Kevin K on 8/27/2005 at 1:33:10 PM
Hi guys. A friend of mine that sells used bikes had the Moto. I picked up a nice Nashbar with a complete 600 Shimano group on it for $20 at a garage sale. Frame size was way too small so I traded for the Moto. Mine has none of the parts you guys described save for the Campy front derailleur. That's ok as I'm fitting it with pieces I want. My main interest was is it a quality frame with I gather it is. Thanks one and all for thw responses. Kevin

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by Gralyn on 8/29/2005 at 7:55:35 PM
That's really what I did with mine - put much of what I wanted on the Moto frame.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by Travis Gordon on 1/28/2008 at 4:30:41 PM
I also have a jubilee Sport, and i was wondering how much i could get it for on e*** or something like that. The bike seems to be fine, Works great. Any help would be great.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by Marty Thompson on 4/11/2008 at 3:30:56 PM
I too have a Motobecane Jubilee Sport. I purchased it new in 1984 for around $350. It's still in great condition although the Weinman brakes that were on it were pretty cheap.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by John Elwood on 8/18/2008 at 11:29:34 AM
I have a 1983 or 1984 Jubile Sport that I bought new. It's a light green metallic frame with rose metallic decals that faded to silver. Mine has a Vitus frame. My guess is that yours is older than that, because I would have remembered if the Jubiles went upscale with Columbus tubing after I had mine. Mine definitely didn't come with Campagnolo hardware on it, although I installed Campy brakes and derailleurs in the mid-1980s.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane Jubilee Sport posted by John Elwood on 8/18/2008 at 11:35:21 AM
Correction, it has BLUE metallic decals that faded to silver.

Here are some great photos of someone else's Jubile of that era stock: