VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Gillott frame tubing? posted by: Pete on 9/2/2005 at 4:23:41 PM
I would like to know if it possible to identify the frame tubing used in my cycle. The machine is a 1959 Gillott tourer built to order and I have a copy of the original spec. sheet from when the bike was ordered new.

Everything is listed - frame angles, lugs, tube lengths - everything except the frame material.

Why no mention of the frame material, nor even a space on the form for such information?

I'm expecting of course that with a name like Gillott it is at least 531, but it has been re-finished so no clues from any stickers or decals.

How can I narrow it down? any hints on identification - particularly separating 531 from 531 db much appreciated.



   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Gillott frame tubing? posted by Warren on 9/2/2005 at 11:05:16 PM
Is it a Gillott taper tube? The tubes would narrow where they enter the bottom bracket shell. It's possible that the tubes are Accles and Pollock. They too made decent single and double butted tubesets.

Did you see the CR page?

also a page on A&P .

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Gillott frame tubing? posted by Pete on 9/3/2005 at 4:58:35 PM
Warren - thanks for the post - no, it is not a taper tube, wish it was. It is a conventional touring frame. Thanks for the URLs, I'd seen the Gillott one but not the Accles & Pollock. Regards,Pete.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot UO or UE-18? posted by: Joe M on 9/2/2005 at 3:07:10 AM
I picked up what looks like about a mid 70's Peugeot Mixte today, it came along with a lot of parts from an auction. It was boxed up like it was going to be shipped, I actually didn't realize I had a bike in the lot until I unloaded it all and opened the box. Does anyone know how to determine the model or year of one of these? It's blue, with the standard Peugeot head foil decal headbadge, has Nervar style steel cottered cranks, Simplex Prestige dereilleurs, steel 27" serated side rims and Normandy hubs. The handlebars are raised uprights, with a square Peugeot badged stem, and the seat is more like that you would find on an old three speed. It's actually not in bad shape, but looks like it's been sitting for quite a while. It has some minor spotting on the rims, and some paint chips and scratches here and there, but looks like if I was to spend some time cleaning it would come up real nice.

Right away I started tearing into it, I first fit it all together to be sure I had a complete bike. It doesn't look like it's been used much, It has matching tires that are still servicable, and the grease I found in the b.b is still clean, but a bit dried, no real wear is noticable. Too bad its a mixte frame, it's way too small for me. The worst thing I found is that it looks like something has chewed on edges of the white handgrips.
Any one here got a use for a mixte? The seat tube measures 20 1/2" c-c.
I posted a pick below of it roughly assembled.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot UO or UE-18? posted by Joe M. on 9/2/2005 at 4:02:05 AM
Sorry, I see the free website won't allow a pic to be linked, go to: to see pic.


   :   Peugeot UO-18? posted by John E on 9/2/2005 at 2:30:12 PM
It's a UO-18, circa 1972. It appears to be complete, original, and clean. Nice find!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot UO or UE-18? posted by JONathan on 9/2/2005 at 8:29:39 PM
Yes, a find indeed! I have the near exact bike, except for white color and the absence of the chain-ring guard distiguishing mine. It rides like a bike built by a rider.
Mixtes have some advantages for getting off the bike in a hurry, I have found on numerous occasions. Originally, I got them as parts-bikes (often with hardly used up components) for a song. After a few rides on the outback roads, their useful nature for my cause came to bear. They are very quick off the mark, too. Handling is excellent, except for a low drag-angle obviated by the low BB drop. Frames are surprisingly robust, considering the seat-tube freeboard (distance spanned from down-tubes to seat-lug). Hills are good, too. I think they are more common in Europe as a general purpose bike, as opposed to the stronger bias toward the double-triangle here. The frames are stronger than the women's frames. My white one has Hutchinson tires, which are nice vintage tourers. Keep the French tires if you have them. What are yuou asking for the bike? (assuming you have it for sale, of course).

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot UO or UE-18? posted by Joe M on 9/8/2005 at 3:14:17 AM
I'd rather just sell it or trade it for something I can use. I am getting short on space here and really don't have the room to store a bike that I can ride.
I really don't know what it worth? I could do the ebay thing, but if someone here wants it, I'll leave it apart. to ship, I'm sure that anyone here would prefer to go over it themselves anyway. I would consider any trade offers as well. (My biggest problem is space, it's a war between my fishing tackle and my bikes and parts in the garage and basement).

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rubber Block Pedals posted by: Brian L. on 9/1/2005 at 10:38:56 PM
Looking to buy a nice set of rubber block pedals, vintage Phillips or some such, BSC, 9/16" thread for a classy town bike. Would like something nicer than the cheap jobs available new.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   More bikes on the road posted by: Gralyn on 9/1/2005 at 1:45:53 PM
Just a thought.....
With gas prices what they are....and gas shortages.....maybe we will see more bicycles on the road! I hope so.

      More bikes on the road posted by John E on 9/1/2005 at 2:27:07 PM
It happened in the 1970s, but many folks claim this was part of a health-and-exercise movement which predated the 1973 gasoline "crisis." I think it's some of each, having met folks who bought bicycles because of high gas prices in 1973, when I worked at a bike shop. I am definitely seeing an uptick in transit ridership, particularly the heavy and light rail lines.

   RE:   More bikes on the road posted by cc on 9/1/2005 at 4:10:50 PM
At my office everyone is scrambling to get their old bicycles back on the road.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: More bikes on the road posted by James on 9/1/2005 at 6:13:37 PM
I am a year-round, almost-daily bicycle commuter for the last 16 years. Here in Cleveland, I have seen a visible increase in cycle commuting since the price went above $2.00 a gallon. Yesterday it was above $3.00 for regular. I hope that those dusting off their bikes because of gas prices also review the rules of the road as it pertains to bicycles in your state's motor vehicle laws (in Ohio, Revised Code of Motor Vehicles section 4511). As I am sure all of you in this forum know, bicycles are considered vehicles if you are on the road. No blowing through red lights or riding against traffic. Signal your turns and be predictable. Motorists do actually respect cyclists who obey the same rules they do.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   More bikes on the road posted by Mike on 9/2/2005 at 2:41:42 PM
Meanwhile, GM has announced a new line of LARGER SUVs and pickup trucks for 2006 in hopes that they will pull it out of its sales slump!


   RE:RE:   More bikes on the road posted by JONathan on 9/2/2005 at 8:43:58 PM
Seen a slight increase on my daily run. It's not just the fogues like me, either, it's more of a mix. These vintage lightweights are emerging and coming of age again, IMHO. I mean, well built steel frames running 700C or 27" wheels are real efficient runners with good cruising speeds and handling features. Maybe harder to learn than MTB's, but worth it. Main problem is to keep out of trouble...I have noticed it has gotten a bit scary sharing the road, and this is "bike-friendly" country, too (SF Bay area, south peninsula).

AGE / VALUE:   1968 Super Course Restoration posted by: Jeff on 8/30/2005 at 12:59:00 PM
I am in the process of restoring what I believe to be a 1968 Super Course. The serial number did not natch up with any list. (maybe it is a Carlton serial number?) It has a Williams crankset, but I can not make out the stamping code. There is a stamping in the brooks saddle indicating it was made in 1968. I am trying to determine the correct seat tube graphic since it was removed. Does anyone know for sure if it was a "Man on Bike" or a "Raleigh Heron"?
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1968 Super Course Restoration posted by Joe M on 8/31/2005 at 11:18:15 PM
Try Retro Raleighs,
Theres a catalog pic of a '68 there.
1968 is a number of years before the retangular Carlton logo on the Super Course.