AGE / VALUE:finding a new home posted by: Scott on 4/6/2006 at 7:05:08 AM
Hi, I have 2 elderly road bikes which I need to find a loving home for. the first is a Chiorda with some Campy stuff. the other is a Schwinn Le Tour which is kinda tall. I will take photos and answer questions as best I can for any interested.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:finding a new home posted by Ned Homfeld on 4/15/2006 at 11:31:25 PM
I'm in the process of restoring my original Le Tour that I bought in the early 70's. I'd be interested in you Le Tour!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   don't want to be like that posted by: jason on 4/4/2006 at 1:21:53 AM
was riding in Springfield MO the other day and saw what looked to be a guy selling a couple of bikes from the yard.
the guy came out, told me that he had over a thousand bikes and yeah, he was pretty sure that he had all that stuff i was talking about, just not where exactly it was. Then he opened his garage doors and a couple of sheds. It was like a nightmare. eight feet high and about as dense as they could be piled. all those cassettes and three speeds were just on the other side of the pile and there was no getting to them. It was horrible. found a continental with a hurry up and paint it man type finish and missing some cables, he told me he wanted 75 bucks for it. then he offered me twenty for my Bianchi on trade. I had to run. It was just like some surreal artsy english horror movie.
Its haunting me. I know that there is some choice stuff in that big slurry of tetanus shots waiting to happen. you just cant get to the stuff you can see. I came home and started labeling everything and putting them on an inventory system, took something like twenty three hours, but I don't want to turn into that guy.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   don't want to be like that posted by JONathan on 4/4/2006 at 7:15:45 AM
When does "collecting" become "stock-piling"? I wonder if I know the difference. I keep 10 ready-to-roll, the rest are hanging or parked. So far, there are no piles or twisted stacks, but maybe that comes after 10 years of GS and rummage sales. I got worried when I couldn't remember some bikes I had, so I started indexing with a digital camera. The $5/$10 bikes are becoming scarce, which has damped my collecting. But, I wonder if big piles of bikes are all that bad. I mean, they are not in the land-fills. Rust takes longer to go through the heavy steel frames from the bikebooom era and a bead-blasting and painting work wonders. Might get another 50 years of riding out of them. Problem is that accessing a specfic bike/part is tough. I bought a bike from a guy who had a stack higher than his fence...the neighbors complained enough that he had to clear them out. Seeing a big dumpster in front of the house with bikes heaped in it was tough to take! Oh well, got to have that yard-art out of there for the weeds to take over.

    don't want to be like that posted by John E on 4/5/2006 at 3:27:44 PM
I have reached the stage in life at which I want to de-accumulate somewhat. I have five working bikes, one complete, but disassembled, project bike, and one low-end Peugeot UO-9 frame. These days, I try not to buy anything without selling or giving away something else.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   don't want to be like that posted by Gralyn on 4/5/2006 at 3:32:17 PM
I thought I was bad.....I'm nothing compared with this. I also keep around 10 - 15 good bikes ready to roll. I have lots of bikes just for parts, I have some for projects for when I get bored. I have some I fixed up just to re-sell. All total....I'm still under 100 bikes. But...I know each bike....and I know what I have. I'm not going to spot a bike say, in the basement....and say "gosh! I don't remember ever getting that bike!".

I don't think this will be me 10 years from now. Mainly because of the low supply of these old bikes. I rarely see one the rate of collecting then has slowed almost to a stop.

It could be that a few folks out there have heaps and heaps of these old bikes....that are only being heaped up....not being fixed up, not being sold, just being heaped up! And that could be why we never see too many of them anymore. ....and....I don't see them on the road either!

I certainly should organize and catalog....or at least organize the stuff I have. I'm re-doing my work shop now....actually I have expanded it....and so I will be re-organizing everything.

....and the story of the heaps of bikes going into the dumpster! That's disturbing!

I have seen on e-bay from time-to-time, someone selling a lot quantity of like 1000 or so bikes.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   don't want to be like that posted by jason on 4/5/2006 at 4:21:42 PM
That dumpster thing is the problem. this guy was almost ninety, and it seems likely that his kids will simply sell them to a scrapper as the most expedient way of disposal.
there were a lot of crappy bikes in there, and I saw som good ones way in the mix thatI would dearly love to fix up for me, but all of them have some potential. I fix bikes up and give them away to people that really need them, trying to get back on thier feet. I have seen a couple people go from a bike I gave them to a used car and then better. someones life got better with a cheap bike. thats nice. jason

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: don't want to be like that posted by Scott on 4/6/2006 at 7:27:37 AM
I knew a guy who used to go to the auction our town had at the dump an he would buy all the bikes. you really had to bid to get one from him. he would take them home and stack them up in piles in his yard. he had (and I'm not exagerating) probably 15 piles which were about 15 feet tall and 30 feet around. you could go to his place and he would let you look to see if there was anything you wanted to buy. if you found something he would say he couldn't possibly sell the item because he has people who come to him looking for just that type of thing. I tried to explain to him that I was that guy but he wouldn't budge. in the end the city told him the bikes had to go because the were a health hazzard because they harbored rodents and snakes and other vermin. I'm not sure how it turned out because I moved before it was all over but last I heard they were threatening to come in with dump trucks and tractors and stuff to help him move them out. the sad thing was that he didn't even have a bike he could ride. he had bikes from the '30s through the '90s. kinda an OCD thing I guess.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: don't want to be like that posted by Gralyn on 4/6/2006 at 5:01:40 PM
Not on a grand scale - like some of the stories above.....but there was this one guy who had a shop full of bikes......they were all "for sale".....but when you would ask about certain some older bikes - he wouldn't sell it to you.....he would try to talk you into buying a newer, less value bike. ...and I wonder...what will eventually become of all those bikes?

I still wonder what ever became of that small building full of old bike frames that my cousin had at my uncle's house. This was during the very early 70's......lots of skip-tooth chain stuff...really old even then. I wonder if they are still around somewhere?

I wonder if there are any heaps of bikes near where I live? I wouldn't be surprised if there are.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: don't want to be like that posted by Kurt K. on 4/7/2006 at 4:36:52 PM
Gralyn and Jason have exhibited two particular bike salesman that I positively loath. One, the idiot who'll price a home-painted Gaspipinental at $100, and two, the moron who won't sell you the good stuff because it's what "the collectors want to buy that."

I recall one local bike shop which was a definite case of the latter. In the end, I lost my cool with him and yelled to his face that "the collector" who'll buy that C-6 junk of his was YOURS TRULY, and that if he would continue to be such a damned asshole (pardon me) about it, he could kiss my fiddie-dee - for I wasn't coming back.

I've had a few run-ins with the high-pricers, but I've had better luck with folks selling vintage machines, and have persuaded them down to a reasonable price...of course, after reminiscing on that manufacturer's (e.g., Schwinn) lineup, from the lowest-end bike (e.g. Varsity) up all the way to top (Paramount), and of that top-end bike's Campagnolo componentry. Then, of course, I'd look back at the Varsity for sale behind me, and examine the Huret Allvit derailer, to begin making the seller know, in a kindly way, that his machine isn't what it's all cracked up to be!

I have run into a third seller that does irk me though...the fool who has a cheap Bike Boom lightweight for sale, who constantly reminds you that it's an "ULTRA-LIGHTWEIGHT!" "LIGHTWEIGHT RACER!" or something to that extent. Sometimes to humor the seller, I pick the bike up by the top tube and bring it down with an effort. It doesn't always work, and I've run into a few so-called "professional" yard sale sellers who have pissed me off with such sales talk to the extent where I'll walk away in disgust - whether I want the bike or not.

I figure I'll just pick it up from the curb once they throw it out, soon enough!


AGE / VALUE:   Garage sale finds posted by: Spike on 4/3/2006 at 5:33:43 PM
Picked up 4 kind of interesting 10 speeds this weekend.2
Circa 70s Free Spirit Bruce Jenner Decathlons with Single lever shifter.Use Schimano components they work pretty well but surely not really practical but do provide an indexed shift both front and rear.Anyone ever see such a thing?Also found 2 Raleigh Records Circa 1970s?.Seem in excellent shape and original.They have The R nuts on cotters and seat clamp.And sort of a acorn nut on the axles.Do they sound right?
Finally a very nice 71 Vista womens 3 speed.Says Vista by N.I.D.A.Has a S/A hub with regular trigger.Anyone have any info on Vista?looks a little Schwinn like.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Garage sale finds posted by Paul on 4/9/2006 at 6:26:46 PM
Vista bicycles were pure, unadulterated junk. 'nuff said.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Super Sport vs. Sports Tourer posted by: Gralyn on 4/3/2006 at 1:24:44 AM
I was thinking that the Schwinn Super Sport and Sports Tourer from the early '70's.......that the Super Sport was a step above the Sports Tourer. Anyway, I saw this Super Sport on e-bay.......but was surprised at the crank set. I would have expected it to have a 3-piece alloy crank - like my old Sports Tourer......but instead - it has this 1-piece steel deal.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Super Sport vs. Sports Tourer posted by David on 4/3/2006 at 6:21:00 PM
The Sports Tourer is a step UP from the Super Sport (at least in early 70s) and it does have a three-piece cotterless crank.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Super Sport vs. Sports Tourer posted by Gralyn on 4/4/2006 at 1:19:53 PM
Oh, then that would make sense. ....that is, that the Sports Tourer was a step above the Super Sport back then.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Super Sport vs. Sports Tourer posted by John Metz on 4/8/2006 at 11:12:02 AM
An excellent WEB site for info is
It list all the Schwinn models and has catalogue pages and
factory info. It deals with lightweights from 1960-1979.
Some good photos there too. I have a '73 Super Sport which
along with your Sports Tourer has a hand built fillet
brazed frame. Schwinn made these bikes in limited numbers
and was the only manufacturer to my knowlege to produce
hand built frames on any kind of mass scale. These are nice
bikes and you can always upgrade components.

Cycle on!

AGE / VALUE:   sentinal ten speed posted by: jason on 4/2/2006 at 11:21:57 PM
just got a bike and I don't know if its original or not. Its a Sentinal, with a sort of little beefeater looking guy on the headbadge, decals are to far gone to read anything else, its not super light, but a decent looking frame. it has a Positron rear derailer, and all the cable routers are right for the double cable, but it does not seem to work to well.(runs into the cassette) does anyone think that the bike came with this? it has shimano tourny brakes, and looks to be a middle quality seventys vintage
thanks, jason

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sentinal ten speed posted by Dick in FL on 4/3/2006 at 5:04:17 AM
If you have a double cable Positron, that was a one-year design, and I have yet to run across one. All of mine have single solid-wire cables, canted cog teeth and Front Freewheels. That could be an indicator of originality.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sentinal ten speed posted by jason on 4/4/2006 at 1:21:10 AM
did some research on the positron and now I do not think that it was original, no front freewheel. just not used to seeing things put together without lots of jb weld and hose clamps around here. so that goes in a baggy with all the other wierd stuff that I might need some day.