AGE / VALUE:   HoldsworthMistral Information posted by: John Fleischer on 11/22/2007 at 6:23:53 AM
I have a Holdsworth Mistral orange in color 531 ST reynolds tubing. It is a long wheelbase and has a touring fork with braze ons for front rack. Serial number is 047156. Trying to learn the year and value of the bike.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: HoldsworthMistral Information posted by grubb1937 on 11/22/2007 at 5:24:35 PM
Holdsworth Mistral dates from the late 1970's/ The frame number starts with 0 which would indicate a build date of 1980. Don't know what the US value would be.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: HoldsworthMistral Information posted by John on 11/23/2007 at 4:04:50 PM
Thank you for your information

AGE / VALUE:   heirarchy of components posted by: Valerie on 11/20/2007 at 9:18:53 AM
Maybe we can make a list here of the quality of components we find on older 10 and 12 speed bikes.

For example, if I see a bike with Shimano Lark and another bike with Shimano 600 components, how do I know which one is better?

Can we start a list here ranking them? Best to worse? I think it would help a lot of novices.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: heirarchy of components posted by John E on 11/20/2007 at 1:11:21 PM
I think there is a similar effort on Also, if Frank Berto would grant permission, one could post his Campagnolo, Shimano, and SunTour timelines, which listed categories such as entry level, mid-level, high-end racing, etc.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   heirarchy of components posted by Steve on 11/21/2007 at 2:01:01 PM
I find myself wondering about the Sugino Maxy crank. The variations just seem to go on and on.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   heirarchy of components posted by Valerie on 11/26/2007 at 7:50:23 AM
I've been hunting around for the past 6 days and cannot find a clean simple list - or anything even close to a list - that indicate a heirachry of components.

Can we just start making a list here?
What are the low and high ends of older Shimano?
Is all Campy better than all Shimano?
I've never ever heard of Sugino.
Some kind if ballpark reference would be great.


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: heirarchy of components posted by Warren on 11/26/2007 at 6:47:58 PM
The sheer number of components, makers, models and years would make a "bad, better, best" list absolutely impossible, especially since desireability often has little to do with quality or initial purchase price. Most enthusiasts will say that Campy Record is always top drawer. Some disagree with this. It's often said that old Campy Record derailleurs would shift poorly, but forever. I've got a $5 Suntour Seven derailleur that shifts better than the top Campy shifter from the same year...which is better? The nature of quality is discussed beautfully in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, as an aside.

Sheldon Browns website contains much of this information in a well organized contextualized, website. If you need a ballpark reference about a component, just ask the list.


AGE / VALUE:   Cannondale 2.8 vs 3.0 posted by: Gralyn on 11/19/2007 at 5:03:29 PM
Does anyone know the designations for Cannondale: "2.8", "3.0" as in what does each designate? Is one higher-end than the other? If so, which is better, etc?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Cannondale 2.8 vs 3.0 posted by Warren on 11/19/2007 at 5:30:59 PM
I had a 2.8...I think that name referred to the weight of the frame. However, subsequent better and lighter models had larger numbers (CAD4 eg) and the weight reference was dropped.
Maybe the 2.8 was superior to the 3...maybe not.

C-dale models were usually determined by the components and quality of the fork. So the lower end model of a bike in a given year had the same frame as the best models. My 1993(?) 2.8 frame was an R500 which was a mid quality bike with Suntour components. I think the R900 had Dura Ace and 600 components.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Cannondale 2.8 vs 3.0 posted by Gralyn on 11/25/2007 at 8:22:46 PM
I got my Cannondale 2.8 frame. 56cm...and it sure is light. It's a 96 year model. I think it would be good to build it up with '96 or newer model components. I hoped it would accomodate 1 1/8 steerer tube - but it's a 1". I don't know what model year they started going to more 1 1/8 rather than 1? I have a carbon fork - but it's 1 1/8 - and I haven't had much luck finding a 1" carbon fork - at a price I could afford. Anyway, I started to put a wheel set on it...but the spacing was too wide for the wheel set I I dug around the shop and found an axle that was the correct length....But, the wheel won't I think maybe the tires are too high profile. I took the tire off - and mounted the way was there enough space for a tire! It turns out - this frame is made for 650C wheels. Well, I don't have any 650C wheels.

I suppose I will take my time building this one up - as I will have to put some money into it. So, maybe I will have it ready by Spring.

I'm looking for a 650C wheel set - used - at a decent price....and some 7 or 8 speed STI shifters.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Cannondale 2.8 vs 3.0 posted by Warren on 11/27/2007 at 12:09:32 PM
That's a shame...I sold a 650 rear disc wheel with Suntour 7 speed block on it a couple of months ago after dragging it around for years. $3 at a thrift store. They show up often so keep looking.

AGE / VALUE:   K.G SPECIAL..HAND MADE IN WEST GERMANY posted by: Scott on 11/16/2007 at 7:16:35 AM
I have a K.G SPECIAL 10 SPEED???That says Deutsche Wertarbeit Hand Made in West Germany..Does anyone know anything about this bike? I can e-mail Pics if that will help..Thanks in advance.

WANTED:   What kind of bike is this? posted by: George_26 on 11/15/2007 at 10:32:07 PM

Long time lurker - first time post-er!

It says "Rudge" on the front, and "Britains Best Bicycle" on the side, and has the 'Hand' logo. Ive searched you site (the pics and archives) and the internet, but cant tie it down to a model.

Any help would be much appreciated. You're site is great!!

   RE:WANTED:   What kind of bike is this? posted by David on 11/16/2007 at 9:02:47 AM
You'll probably need to find Rudge brochures. It reminds me of the Raleigh Colt; smaller bike (for kids), coaster brake, curved top tube.

   RE:WANTED: What kind of bike is this? posted by Warren on 11/16/2007 at 4:27:26 PM
This is a typical Raleigh rebrand of what was once a noble line of bikes. Here's an almost identical Raleigh bike labelled as an Eatons Glider. (Eatons is a canadian dept. store)

Natalie's Rudge does not have the hand crank however. It's the same generic model they put on all non-Raleigh bikes

   RE:WANTED: What kind of bike is this? posted by Matthew - from the ER DB on 11/21/2007 at 2:35:27 PM

Warren has it, that's the type of model it is. Raleigh made the colt and variations thereof for the US market. We hardly ever see them in the UK. The model (bike not girl) shown here is very nicely kept. P.C.Kohler (look him up in archives on this site) is the wizard of Rudge, he will be able to name the paint colour he is that good with Rudges.

Matthew - back to the ER DB for me.

   RE:WANTED: What kind of bike is this? posted by grubb1937 on 11/22/2007 at 5:38:04 PM
Your bicycle is is Rudge Whitworth. The red hand was the badge of the original company and one of the models they produced was the 'Ulster Sports' which is now very desireable. The red colour was also another trade mark when other British cycle manufacturers were using black paint. The company was taken over by Raleigh and the badge changed to a triangle design with Rudge, Nottingham on the head badge. Raleigh continued to use the red hand within the chainring. I have a 1951 Raleigh Rudge with this on it.
Picture is on my flickr page

   RE:RE:WANTED: What kind of bike is this? posted by Warren on 11/24/2007 at 4:48:27 PM
Did you look at the bike he's talking about? This bike is likely early 70's.