AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Ciocc racer posted by: Jason on 3/7/2007 at 1:48:58 PM
I've got a vintage Italian Ciocc bicycle in pretty nice shape and I'm trying to learn more about its quality, value, etc. It doesn't have a make or a year other than the sticker saying this bike won races in 1977 and 1978. I looked at photos of other Ciocc bikes and many have the signiture of the framebuilder on the top tupe by the seat, but this doesn't. The drivetrain is Shimano Dura-ace 14spd which makes me think it was maybe 1983 or 1984.

I figure it's worth maybe $800-1000? It's a got a few thousand miles on it and a few scratches - definately not mint condition but still in very nice shape. Size is 58cm - just a hair too small so I'm looking to sell it or trade for another vintage italian road-racer if anyone is looking to deal.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Vintage Ciocc racer posted by David on 3/7/2007 at 4:42:09 PM
Should be a good bike. I think you may be a bit optimistic about its value, though.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Vintage Ciocc racer posted by Warren on 3/12/2007 at 3:34:23 AM
Likely a bit later than 83/84. Ditto for the price. Maybe a campag bike would get $800 on a good day but not DA.

Ciocc is a very good second tier italian bike. Tubing stickers, lugs?

AGE / VALUE:   sierra toure posted by: brian on 3/7/2007 at 12:00:25 PM
i recently came across a sierra toure bicycle and was wondering if anybody could give any information on it

MISC:   Raleigh International ? posted by: Drew on 3/7/2007 at 11:41:47 AM
When was the International introduced and discontinued? It's not in my 1969 catalog, nor is it in the 1978 catalog.

   RE:MISC:   Raleigh International ? posted by David on 3/7/2007 at 5:21:24 PM
It appears to exist from 1970 thru 1976.

MISC:   Would like to know posted by: Merle Gowen on 3/7/2007 at 11:22:48 AM
Hello...I have a raleigh tri-lite(1988 Scott Tinley).I know that road bikes and tri bikes have either a 73deg or 78deg angle.What I would like to know is the raleigh tri lite a honest to goodness 78deg. triathlon bicycle.
I would very much appreciate anyone's input on this subject.

Thank You Merle R. Gowen

   RE:MISC: Would like to know posted by Warren on 3/7/2007 at 1:43:32 PM
I don't think you can state categorically that a tri bike has to have 78 degree angles even if most of them ended up that way. The same applies to road bikes. The evolved into steeper angle as time went on but even today you will find variances of angles on equal quality bikes.

I have an early 80's SR tri bike that had traditional angles (74 ish?) with a super long top tube to get you bent over in an aero position. It's a 53 X 56.5 cm frame. I have to use a 70mm stem to get a decent (road) riding position while my other road bike uses a 130 mm stem! I've got monkey arms.

Not that I could ever enter a triathalon. Or a real road race these days.


WANTED:   older nishiki road bike with 3 speed hub posted by: michelle on 3/5/2007 at 6:29:11 PM
i have an older nishiki that i love and had turned into a single speed but now its pretty tough to manage alot of the bigger hills around vancouver so i want to build a strumey 3 speed on to a 700c rim. the alignment seems to be off when i put the old 26" 3 speed into the dropouts, how can i correct this when i lace the new 700c? also the axel is a little short, i can make it fit but if i can id rather make the axel longer if i can.
any help is appreciated.

   RE:WANTED:   older nishiki road bike with 3 speed hub posted by David on 3/6/2007 at 6:02:53 AM
Most of the old Sturmey hubs from English 3-speeds have a 5 3/4 inch axle that is too short for a 120mm spaced frame. There is a longer axle available (6 13/32 in, part # HSA 370) that would work better. Obviously, the hub would have to be disassembled and put back together to install a new axle. A longer indicator (part # HSA 126) is needed too. You'll probably need spacers, too. Sturmey hub on a lightweight big-wheeled bike is very pleasant.

   RE:WANTED:   older nishiki road bike with 3 speed hub posted by Ron Parkinson on 3/6/2007 at 9:49:31 PM
go to and look at their Falcoln 3 speed. They are spaced for 130 which a steel frame can be persuaded to reach if your's is a bit narrower and the other side is threaded for a freewheel in case you want to keep a freewheel for occasional use. I was thinking of trying a set but haven't yet. 1 wheel 99 set 189 with controllers. Ron

    older nishiki road bike with 3 speed hub posted by John E on 3/7/2007 at 9:00:30 AM
A long-axle 3-speed hub can perhaps be converted into a derailleur/epicyclic hybrid, with a multi-cogset.