AGE / VALUE:   Roadmaster, Pacific, Motobecane? posted by: john on 6/16/2007 at 4:35:26 PM
Looking thru the usual collection of Walmart junk bikes at the yard sales today and suddenly I spy a Motobecane Mirage Sport. Wheel strapped to frame, no seat, seat post, pedals,brake cables...looks like it came out of box minus the stuff a dealer would install. Guy says got it at auction some time ago and has the missing parts in his garage, stop back next week. Price was a dirt cheap, so I took it. Can anybody date this thing? Non-lugged Motolite frame, 12 speed, 27x1" Rigida, Weinman brakes, Sachs Huret Pilot der. Also says Made in France. I thought they shut down production there long ago. Anyway, looks like an entry level bike to me. Any info appreciated. Thanx, john

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadmaster, Pacific, Motobecane? posted by David on 6/16/2007 at 5:40:09 PM
Is it like this?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadmaster, Pacific, Motobecane? posted by john on 6/16/2007 at 7:00:35 PM
David: My components are different from the brochure except for Weinmans. In addition to the components in my original post, mine has Nervar crank and down tube shifters. I did note from the brochure that they highlighted lugless construction,,hmmmm! Could this be an 80's bike that was never "unpacked?" john

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadmaster, Pacific, Motobecane? posted by David on 6/17/2007 at 9:39:07 AM
It could sure be NOS. Shops go out of business all the time with old out-of-style stock on their hands.

AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot purchase advice?? posted by: J. Dugosh on 6/16/2007 at 1:02:56 PM
Hello. I am thinking of purchasing a used (circa 1986) peugeot road bike. I am just wondering if anyone can tell me anything about it, because I was asked to "make an offer" and I have no idea what is a reasonable price (I DON'T want to rip off this person OR pay too much). The model number is PHLE1054. It is really light (titanium? alluminum?). Can anyone help me out

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Peugeot purchase advice?? posted by Jess on 6/17/2007 at 4:04:02 PM
Be sure all the components are in great working order. The bike is French which means finding the right piece, mechanic or tool can be a issue depending where you are. Because its harder to work with its worth less than it would under normal conditions.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot purchase advice?? posted by J. Dugosh on 6/18/2007 at 9:43:51 AM
Thanks so much for the information! It seems that everything is in GREAT working order--near mint. Any idea how much this bike is worth? I'm COMPLETELY in the dark. $100, $200, $300, more??? Can anybody give me a guesstimate? Thanks!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot purchase advice?? posted by David on 6/18/2007 at 11:02:25 AM
I don't know the model, but it is very unlikely to be a "collectible," so its value is limited to its utility as a bike (not as an investment!). I would think that $200 would be high for an 80s Peugeot unless it was built with double-butted chrome moly steel tubing, in which case there would be a sticker on the frame saying something like "Reynolds 531" or "Vitus" with the word "renforcee" on it. If that's the case it might be worth a little more. If the bike is equipped with Japanese components, it probably has standard (non French) threaded parts.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot purchase advice?? posted by Chris on 6/19/2007 at 5:03:19 PM
The fashion turned to mountain bikes. Do you like to ride this? Does it call out to be ridden? do you not want to come back when you get the call that dinner is ready?

too recent to make a buck on as far as selling it goes. Unless it's 10.00 and even then.

we need a picture.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot purchase advice?? posted by Shelby on 6/19/2007 at 5:45:41 PM
If the bike is the fused aluminum frame bike, it is somewhat rare. Even more rare because they were recalled. I had one never had a problem but Peugeot traded me out of it into a Columbus frame bike I still have. - I don't have my old books on it but I would definately determine if it has the aluminum frame.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Peugeot purchase advice?? posted by John E on 6/25/2007 at 3:02:29 PM
If it really is a 1986, it may be Canadian, in which case it will have English/ISO threading and diameters, instead of French or Swiss.

AGE / VALUE:   what does campy mean posted by: james on 6/15/2007 at 5:34:23 AM
i see it all over the discussion areas, thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   what does campy mean posted by David on 6/15/2007 at 5:44:05 AM
Campagnolo brand. High quality (usually) Italian parts

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   what does campy mean posted by JAMES on 6/15/2007 at 6:33:50 AM

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   what does campy mean posted by Chris on 6/15/2007 at 6:56:11 AM
It means you lay your hands on as much of it as cheaply as you can. It means you study it like crazy back, down, up and forth and chase all over the earth acquiring it. People collect it, ride it and are mystifyed by it like it hold's magic powers.

Also Juy Simplex, G.B. Gerry Burgess.
Go buy the book: The dancing Chain History and developement of the derailer bicycle Raymond Henry and Ron Shepard at the local bookstore they will have to order it. Study this like mad, fall asleep reading it every night. Go forth and collect and when you know what you are doing.....
Sell it.

Make money.
enjoy life!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   what does campy mean posted by Chris on 6/15/2007 at 6:58:40 AM
It means you pull out the whole drawer and put the whole drawer in your car and drive away.
It means that you examine every bike in the place and acquire the whole bike whatever it takes.

Campy equiped bikes mean the bike is worth bringing home. Tullio Campagnolo or Campy

    what does campy mean posted by John E on 6/27/2007 at 7:13:01 AM
The updated and expanded second edition of "The Dancing Chain" lists Frank Berto as the sole author.

I am by a Holland-based American ex-pat that told Europeans who know bicycles say either "Campa" or "Campagnolo," never "Campy."

Most Campagnolo gear is well-crafted and durable, but, after 1970, rarely cutting edge or innovative in engineering or design. Campagnolo did introduce the modern cam-operated quick-release axle ca. 1930 (Tullio's first patent and the company's first product) and the first parallelogram rear derailleur in 1951, in a world dominated by wretched bandspring units from Simplex and Cyclo. However, Maeda SunTour invented the now-ubiquitous slant planograph rear derailleur ca. 1968, and Shimano made the first truly functional index shift system and the first integrated brake-shift controls, although Campagnolo's Ergo system is mechanically superior and facilitates feathering of the front derailleur cage position. Campagnolo has also inexplicably adopted a 135mm chainring bolt circle in a 130mm world.


AGE / VALUE:   SLALOM posted by: sale on 6/15/2007 at 1:22:12 AM
I have a bike for which I can't find any info.I'll post some details so if anz one have some idea please help.
Frame has engraveing ESGE ,and next to it madein Germany,it has sticker ‚‚SLALOM‚‚and on afront side ‚‚L‚‚ ,rear hub is shimano 5353FB, front hub is WECO ,front brake is WEINMAN VAINQUEUR 750, rear is shimano oil disc,actually this is a hidraulic disc brake ,but only thing that is written on it is‚‚shimano oil disc‚‚

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SLALOM posted by james on 6/16/2007 at 2:23:45 PM
i posted similar with esge on frame and was told the brackets were probably from esge to be put on frame for the kickstand and fender bracket i too would like to know if esge did produce frames .someone said more likely puch built it.if it is austrian.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SLALOM posted by sale on 6/18/2007 at 1:21:19 AM
ESGE was engraved on a frame.It could only be in some connection with a frame.I have found some factory in Germany
,they are producing tubes ,steel or aluminum ,for auto motive industry,car seats air bags etc

AGE / VALUE:   steel, lugged all chrome schwinns posted by: Chris on 6/14/2007 at 9:22:33 AM
Estate sale:
Schwinn Super Le- Tour.
all chrome japan frame.
10 speeds nothing special about the componets
another all chrome made in chicago lugged frames the both of them.

$100.00 per bike I passed but wonder what they are worth?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   steel, lugged all chrome schwinns posted by Chris on 6/14/2007 at 12:54:31 PM
Chrome frames, lugged, steel. I was wishing they said Paramount on them because they looked similar to the famed Paramounts and Superiors with the campy equipment but No, different model.

I passed.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   steel, lugged all chrome schwinns posted by David on 6/15/2007 at 5:47:27 AM
Are there some Japanese-built Schwinns that carry a "Schwinn Chicago" headbadge? It seems to me that I have seen these.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   steel, lugged all chrome schwinns posted by Chris on 6/15/2007 at 7:00:41 AM
Yes. It is one of the two and it has the Chicago badge but was made in Japan. $100.00 all chrome steel, lugged.
Silly me thought at first glance these were chrome plated Paramounts.