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MISC:   Stingray wheels posted by: Mike on 10/31/2001 at 3:01:45 PM
Does anyone know which Schwinn Stingrays had the center stamped S-2 & S-7 rims and which models or years had the side stamped rims?

   RE:MISC:   Stingray wheels posted by Kim on 10/31/2001 at 5:27:48 PM
S2 and S7 were both center stamped. When was the change from center to side, hard to say since it was a tooling issue. Early bikes 63,4,5, were center stamped but I have seen 66's with both and were original bikes as well. You have to remember inventory control was not Schwinn's strong suit , it was what ever was in the parts box at the time. Thats why sometimes you see a bike thats a early 68 and has a 67 dated crank sometimes. JMO Kim

   RE:MISC:   Stingray wheels posted by Mike on 10/31/2001 at 10:01:34 PM
Thanks kim, that explains why mixed stamping is seen on original bikes.

   Schwinn inventory useage posted by gmain@net-port.com on 11/1/2001 at 12:46:49 AM
i brought that up on the Schwinn boards, and the StingRay Yuppies attacked me from all angles, claiming it was impossible. Thanks for mentioning the obvious

   RE:Schwinn inventory useage posted by Kim on 11/1/2001 at 2:53:42 AM
Well what do you think would happen on the Schwinn boards? I have a buddy, well he's alot older that I am but he was Schwinn's top sales man in the mid 60's thru the 80's on the west coast. He has told me about how Schwinn was back than and how things would work. I got this information from him and I would consider him a really good source. Don't ask what he thought of Ed Schwinn. Oh he is also the one who told me about the tooling for the stamping as well

   RE:Schwinn inventory useage posted by Doug on 11/2/2001 at 12:51:28 AM
Impossable is a very long time or somthing like that (LOL)!!

   RE:Schwinn inventory useage posted by Lou Grant on 11/4/2001 at 4:31:14 AM
EDITORS NOTE: Gary Main hates stingrays and the people who collect them with a passion exceeded by few. Bitter, angry, hateful. And he hates schwinn forums just as much because they dont let him bash peoples bikes there.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheels; To Lou Grant posted by Dave on 11/4/2001 at 12:49:25 PM
Lou, How can anyone hate a person who collects a certain bicycle, Stingrays are wildly popular and have become overly expensive. You have to remember that millions of kids had one back in the 60's and 70's, they were the icon of a generation, not to mention that they had a build qaulity exeeding most other childrens bikes. Bicycles are a passion, and it's Stinrays for some of us. I've had my '64 since 1967!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheels; To Lou Grant posted by Lou Grant on 11/5/2001 at 11:02:15 PM
He hates the fact that Sting-Rays, due to their wild popularity among 40 year old kids, are quite sought after and valuable while the middleweights and lightweights he has 100s of are worth nothing more than garage sale dollars. A real tearjerker!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheels; To Lou Grant posted by Dave on 11/6/2001 at 1:32:34 PM
It's the old supply and demand, I agree that the money thing tends to warp the enjoyment of bicycles ($150 for a NOS Slik, Please!) Other models having lower value means they can be owned for a song and I like that. I also own a '78 Suburban, '57 Wasp, '74 Raliegh DL-1, '51 La Perle, all purchased for less then $50.00 Believe me I know how hard is to get your money back, did a bike swap in Sept. and had to give away the bikes I brought-'63 Typhoon...$30.00, '67 20" Fleet (rare) $45.00. It's the hunt that's drives us, Some will pay a few bucks, others pay thousands!

   Look Whomever you are. posted by Gary M on 11/8/2001 at 12:12:38 AM
I dont hate stingrays at all. I despise the mentality displayed by the Stingray Fanatics on that other board.
My StingRay is just junk according to them. No matter what i do to my bike, its always going to be a parts bike to them, but if THEY repaint it, its a restored classic. and i had no idea that my 36 elgin, or my 30s roadmaster were such junk until now. I tossed all but the nice lightweights.
its the same story all over. if its Mine, its stuff.. if its Yours, its Junk. And Furthermore I do not wish to continue wasting Old Roads Bandwidth on tripe BS like this.
Especially from a lousy Anon spineless wonder.

   RE:Look Whomever you are. posted by Simple answer on 11/8/2001 at 4:24:19 AM
Then stop wasting bandwidth on Schwinn's board with your endlessly negative tripe. You wouldn't trade your 1936 Elgin for some stupid kids bike they made millions of, and no Stingray guy would trade his 1963 Stingray for your rusted Elgin. You think their bike is common or fake; they think your bike is junk. AND SO WHAT? Get a life man.

   RE:REGet back into the field! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/8/2001 at 5:12:16 PM
I see there are a lot of folks I can't go fishing with here. Get out into the middle of the lake and then start up this crap? Start an arguement after we leave the canoe rental shack a mile downstream? Ruin a nice afternoon? I don't think so! Take this energy you have and channel it into finding something cool. Whats most important is that you like the thing and that if you want you can make something off it. Not what people think, lifes too short. Do your own thing, be happy, don't bother anybody else, don't let the idiots bother you, and be prepared to wade thru idiots all the time because they are everywhere.

   RE:RE:REGet back into the field! posted by Bill on 11/8/2001 at 5:29:57 PM
Sorry Chris. But a lot of people are sick and tired of Gary M's relentless potshots at sting-ray collectors. Do we think all lightweight/middleweight collectors are idiots just because we don't like Gary? NO! So why does he insist on painting every sting-ray collector with the same black brush? He sees sting-ray collectors behind every anonymous post at any site. He calls the folks who provide the schwinn forum for us "nazis" and "jerks" because they delete his negative comments. How long would oldroads.com allow him to post here if he called them nazis?

   your exaggerating things you know nothing about just to make your story look nice posted by Gary m on 11/8/2001 at 9:17:51 PM
I tell someone their bike is worth $25 and people blow up.
whats the use. they ask what a common bike is worth, i tell them a week after nobody else does, and the same fools harp on me. as far as this fool dishing my co-ed all i told her {the gal with the post} was i couldnt sell mine. another guy said he got a near perfect one for $5 did anyone attack him? No. 2 weeks after reading that 61-62 varsities were bringing better money i post mine, and my original paint clean 62 varsity is now junk. you cannot win on that board. its sad to think that this is what bike collecting has become? Not for me. i deal with 70+ yr old guys with yards full of bikes, Proud Flag waving dudes, that spray paint bikes, fix bent rims and sell them cheap. I buy the balloners they pick up and cant sell. Or trade them clean 20 in i get from the cities and they can sell. the entire hee-haw gang over there is one minded. it repulses me to think that there dont seem to be very many nice people in this bike business. Look how this particular person twists reality and words to insult me. yes after having had a dozen non-offensive posts removed in a week, i called the censor a Nazi and compared him to a vatican censor. He fits the title.

   RE:your exaggerating things you know nothing about just to make your story look nice posted by Bill on 11/9/2001 at 12:23:40 AM
So stingray guys are all jerks because your 62 varsity isnt worth as much as a stingray rim? Its just supply and demand. 100x more people want a stingray than want a varsity, like it or not. Your bitterness over that one fact seeps into nearly everything you post. Someone asks what their 65 breeze is worth, you're sure to answer with some shot about stingray guys wills tell you its junk. You tell us our early stingrays are all really 20" fleets and typhoons and we're too stupid to know. You tell us we're jerks for wanting our bikes to have the correct factory parts. You tell us we're jerks for the asking prices of our stuff. You tell us collecting kids bikes is stupid, because we cant ride them. And you wonder why a huge segment of bike collectors think YOU'RE the jerk???? I'm glad Schwinn deletes your sarcastic, belitling posts. I hope they keep it up too!

WANTED:   WTB or Trade for Nice Coppertone Fastback Chainguard posted by: Matt on 10/30/2001 at 8:51:54 PM
Screen unimportant, would prefer Ramshorn, must be nice paint, minimal scratches, still shiny. I also have lots of stuff to offer in trade.

MISC:   Stingray wide bars posted by: Jeff on 10/29/2001 at 10:41:22 PM
Does anyone know what if any, difference there is on the wide handle bars on early Stingray's,( '63's -'64's -'65's ). My 1963 has bars 33 1/2" wide that are unmarked.

FOR SALE:   BULLET LIGHT AND TIALLIGHT W ORIG. BOX posted by: JIMMY on 10/28/2001 at 5:42:15 PM

FOR SALE:   orig raleigh chopper rear redline slik posted by: LA on 10/28/2001 at 1:24:50 PM
found a guy today that has a raleigh chopper redline slik brand new, its was mint, let me know if anyone wants it. it had a 200.00 dollar tag on it. too rich for me, but if anyone out there wants it email me cya

   RE:FOR SALE:   orig raleigh chopper rear redline slik posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/28/2001 at 5:21:21 PM
That's much too high! I have redline slicks in this size but they're not the origonal brand. With some looking you can find the whole bike for that amount.

   RE:FOR SALE:   orig raleigh chopper rear redline slik posted by rich on 12/26/2001 at 7:44:32 PM
That's a lotta bucks for a Chopper tire, but one must consider that someone with a beautiful original Chopper 10-speed or Silver Jubilee Edition, both extremely desired by collectors, may pay in that price range for that "correct" tire. I have a nice original Chopper Mk. 1 that I use as a "rider" at the local musclecar cruise nite. With some careful searching I was able to find a NOS redline cheater slick for $25 at a recent swap meet. It's not the correct tire, but it suits my needs just fine and it looks wicked cool! Tires and prices vary everywhere; it depends how much one is willing to spend to achieve a certain level of "correctness", whether it be for a "rider" or for a display-only "museum piece".

MISC:   Early Rays-they are out there! posted by: Andrew on 10/28/2001 at 12:17:55 PM
Just when I thought I'd never find a early original paint Stingray, one shows up being sold as a '66,(he thought the 3 was a B in the serial #, but it was a clear 3). He had been told by a Schwinn dealer that ALL Stingrays had the letter dating system! My question is - how late did Stingrays come with the early headset crown & thick handlebar stem, and did other models use this setup?

   RE:MISC:   Early Rays-they are out there! posted by Kevin C. on 10/28/2001 at 1:11:19 PM
Congratulations on your find. I have a 1963 with the early style headset crown. My 1964 has the regular style; based on the overall appearance, I think they are both original.

   Schwinn sting ray posted by Arnie on 10/28/2001 at 2:55:37 PM
I just picked up a nice sting ray ser.#DExxxxxx cant tell if its red or orange. great chrome new tires and S2 rims,would need paint,and seat redone,Handle bars and sissy bar are scratched ,Also along with it is a nice girls purple sting ray ,neather have chain guards .Any interst in these?? Make offer located in michigan

   RE:Schwinn sting ray posted by Doug on 10/28/2001 at 6:20:46 PM
If the Schwinn dealer is not into early bikes or has been a dealer for less than 25 years I would suspect his opinion the Schwinn dealers in my city could care less about any thing vintage and will tell you anything just to get rid of you if your not buying a new taiwan junk Schwinn trust the folks here and on the other bike forums for the best info wher it will be scrutinized by others who love the hobby.

   RE:RE:Schwinn sting ray posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/29/2001 at 4:01:53 PM
Keep looking it's a numbers game. Stay at it and you'll find them. These are not easy picking, they're sought after and the lowrider popularity has foks out there looking for these to use as lowrider bikes.

AGE / VALUE:   Free Spirit Chopper posted by: Ron on 10/28/2001 at 2:17:29 AM
Hey folks, I came across a free spririt chopper. Were these made by free spirit?, or is it homemade. It looks pretty original. ANy help? thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Free Spirit Chopper posted by Jim on 10/30/2001 at 4:45:47 AM
There is one for sale on ebay right now. Looks cheepo/homemade/dangerous but also real cool. If I had the bucks I'd Jam a wizzer into it, American flag seat and some Scrambler wheels and viola! Jr Captian America!

AGE / VALUE:   Whats my bike? posted by: Martin Lemay on 10/24/2001 at 9:44:27 PM
I would like to get any information about my bicycle because i cant find anything about it so if you want to help me email me and i can email you pics of my bike.

thank you

AGE / VALUE:   F1 MACH1 ELIMINATOR BICYCLE posted by: geo on 10/24/2001 at 2:09:40 PM
have acquired a bicycle with the name F1 MACH1 ELIMINATOR can any one tell me who the manufacture was i am told it is from 1970.i would like to restore it

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   F1 MACH1 ELIMINATOR BICYCLE posted by jeff on 10/24/2001 at 9:19:35 PM
Murray made your bike....i have a f1 and an f-5 am planning on restoring....hope this helps

MISC:   Another one got away... posted by: BillG on 10/24/2001 at 11:38:39 AM
Was doing the usual yard sale search this weekend. I pulled up to a 1960s neighborhood full of ranches and split-levels - this is usually a good place to find an old Sting-Ray.

I ask the person holding the yard sale if they have any old bikes. They say no, but their son might have his old Schwinn. They bought it for him in 1970, they think it was called an Apple Picker or something like that. He didn't ride it much becuase he got his license 6 months after the parents gave him the bike.

I take his number and give him a call.

Turns out he put it out with the trash back in March...

   RE:MISC:   Another one got away... posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/24/2001 at 3:09:19 PM
That's a fate worse than being slathered with yellow housepaint by some idiot.

   RE:RE:MISC:Exactly where it got to is anybody's guess posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/7/2001 at 7:57:26 PM
Unless, perhaps it survived and is out there somewhere. A bike doesn't last long at the kerb on trash day.
This still does not make any diffrence because you still missed out on it.

AGE / VALUE:   WANTED, 72 SCHWINN MANTA RAY , YELLOW posted by: Erick on 10/24/2001 at 3:19:09 AM
Hi , I am looking for a nice 72 schwinn Manta Ray , in Yellow , original , have $$$$ or trades , get back to me with what you have ,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   WANTED, 72 SCHWINN MANTA RAY , YELLOW posted by Doug on 10/24/2001 at 11:04:20 PM
I saw one on E-bay Sunday which was almost mint but wasnt yellow and did not have a reserve price on it the currant price on it Sunday was 75.00 might be a bargan if its still there Good luck.

MISC:   value posted by: Jake on 10/24/2001 at 2:58:32 AM
I am restoring a 1978 schwinn lowrider chopper bike. Can you help me with value.

   RE:MISC:   value posted by BillG on 10/24/2001 at 11:36:34 AM
Need a lot more information in order to even guess at a value.
What parts are on it? Nice custom paint job? Any cool stretch or sheetmetal work? Pictures?

AGE / VALUE:   What's my bike? posted by: Cesar on 10/23/2001 at 9:45:22 PM
I just bought a muscle bike in New Zealand, frame, handlebar, original.

But I don't know what it is!@ Can anybody help me just looking at the shape of it?

Don't have a brand, serial number or anything visible on the frame or handlebar.

Please have a look at the photo album of:
(It's my soccer club here in NZ

Thanks a lot and regards from South pacific, where teher used to be lots of Choppers but now they all disapeared...so don't know many riders around here...bummer!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What's my bike? posted by Dan on 10/26/2001 at 3:44:20 PM
Your bike is a Ross Appollo 3 speed. Hope that helps.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What's my bike? posted by Cesar on 10/29/2001 at 9:03:34 PM
Thanks Dan,

I am feeling much better now that I know what I am riding.

Does anybody where can I get info on APOLLO's, colours, decals, etc.

Thanks again.

WANTED:   Looking for streamers and chain guard posted by: Dean on 10/22/2001 at 11:54:00 PM
Hi, i'm looking for some red and/or green streamers. I'm also looking for a Campus Green Stingray Deluxe Chainguard in decent shape. If anyone can help me please let me know.

   RE:WANTED:   Looking for streamers and chain guard posted by Kurt on 10/30/2001 at 2:40:32 AM
Hi, I just saw one on ebay Item # 1025521464, it was at 19.71

WANTED:   Wanted Murray King Kat, Sears Gremlin posted by: John on 10/21/2001 at 9:14:57 PM
Wanted Murray King Kat , Sears Gremlin , Huffy Slingshot
Original condition must have orig. seat and chainguards. Please email with any leads.