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Archived: Musclebikes (Sting-Rays, Krates, Choppers, etc.)

MISC:   1999 Grape Krate posted by: Tim P. on 2/22/2001 at 10:40:46 AM
I own a Grape Krate and would like to know if anyone that owns one too has verified that there were only 1999 of them made. I have seen on some web sites that this particular bike is limited in production, but it also seems that there are alot of them for sale. I'm riding mine, because I don't believe that there were only 2000 or so made, and besides, it is, just a replication of a classic bike. In twenty years from now, the people that collect stingrays will be 60-65 years old, on average, and the bikes that we are seeking now were the bikes that we had as kids, or wanted as kids. What will make the repops valuable? Any comments?

   RE:MISC:   1999 Grape Krate posted by chris.s on 2/23/2001 at 1:55:52 PM
Thats a good question,WHAT WILL THE 99 GRAPE &ORANGE krate be worth 20 YEARS FROM NOW..it will only be worth a lot to kids who are involved in building stingrays with their Father's now...

AGE / VALUE:   1974 3 SPEED FAIR LADY YELLOW posted by: Eric on 2/21/2001 at 5:59:42 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1974 3 SPEED FAIR LADY YELLOW posted by chris.s on 2/21/2001 at 6:05:02 PM
i would pay only about 150$ if someone who wants a fair lady will pay more

AGE / VALUE:   Reproduction Orange Krate posted by: Adam on 2/20/2001 at 9:51:45 PM
Anyone know what a reproduction krate would sell for new bought one recently and wondered if it was a decent price, there's no derailer or drum brakes but is still really nice.
Don't know much about it but looked to be brand new, heard they are'nt being made now. Thanks Adam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Reproduction Orange Krate posted by mike on 2/21/2001 at 5:21:35 PM
Adam, I priced one in 1999 when they where new and the local bike shop (in Northern Calif.) wanted about $500 for this repo coaster Krate...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Reproduction Orange Krate posted by Chris on 2/21/2001 at 6:07:08 PM
i payed 350$ for the same bike in dec2000

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Reproduction Orange Krate posted by Adam on 2/23/2001 at 10:49:11 PM
Thanks for the info guys I got that bike for 285.00 at swap meet & bike show that I found out about at my local shop. With the prices the originals were goin for could'nt pass it up!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Reproduction Orange Krate posted by Eric on 2/24/2001 at 5:07:39 PM
I paid $250 for an original apple krate coaster made in 1970. Why pay $350-$500 for a Korean version? Doesn't make sense when original ones can be had for less.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Reproduction Orange Krate posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 2/25/2001 at 1:41:42 PM
I agree, it is better to go for an origonal. Headset parts, crank parts, a handlebar if you need one, slicks and streamers the parts availability aspect of it, I like that. The tires a bit much price wise. Seeing these on the shop floor today is cool. The bike is lighter and made diffrently and not being able to get the Atom drum brake hub isn't good. It had to be priced to cover costs and make a worthwhile profit but if I'm going to spend this much I want grips that can't be distiguished from old ones. I want the drum brake hub, better chrome plating, a more solid look, it looks cheap, I mean compare the fenders and plating. I seen people restore origonals and the paint turns out incredible! What do you guys think of the paint work on the new versions? Are these as nice as the restored origonals? Did the company do as good as it could have with the paint? I'm finding the track muddier this time around.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Reproduction Orange Krate posted by ChristopoherRobin on 2/25/2001 at 1:51:31 PM
Years ago, a shop would have like 50 of these Sting-Rays on the floor and kids would run in a say " Wow!" and jump on one and beg for the adults to buy one. There was excitement! This was a bitchin, hot little bike that captured the excitement of childhood. You couldn't wait to get it home!! The company needs this today! They are not Whooping it up like they could or should. They are not doing this today. There is like one of these on the shop floor and 25 of the newer bikes. With all of the talented , innovative, creative people out these why aren't they in the design dept of these companies? The re-pop Sting-Ray bike is aimed at a diffrent market. Put a Sting-Ray next to a modern bike the kids today have and ride and see what happens. Can these Sting-Rays capture another generation, (today's generation) like it did ours? How strong is the magic? They are not making the most out of this like it could. If the lure and attraction is there and I'm not sure then it isn't being tapped correctly.

AGE / VALUE:   Frame stuff posted by: Keenan on 2/20/2001 at 12:11:10 PM
What is/are the difference(s) between the Stingray coaster frame and a Stingray 5-speed frame?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Frame stuff posted by chris.s on 2/20/2001 at 4:27:26 PM
not much differents..but the crank and sorocket are different..and you may have to spread the back frame a little..

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Frame stuff posted by Kevin C. on 2/20/2001 at 7:25:17 PM
The five-speed frame is equipped for hand brakes, drilled in front and back. The chainguard would be different, too.

MISC:   Shorter History of Completed Ebay Auctions??? posted by: AllAntiques on 2/20/2001 at 11:41:51 AM
I used to be able to use Ebay to research antique bike prices, but now they seem to only keep a 2-week history. It used to be you could go back months and find all kinds of bikes and prices.
Anyone else notice this?

   RE:MISC:   Shorter History of Completed Ebay Auctions??? posted by cj on 2/22/2001 at 5:15:38 AM
Just spring the $10 for a price guide. You can take it with you to flea markets, to. It's a lot easier than plugging in your PC to check a price.

AGE / VALUE:   UMMMM... WHOA !!!! posted by: Robert (schwinnut) on 2/19/2001 at 5:51:01 PM
Just cruisin ebay and saw this 'ray. Just check item # 1114035527 :>

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   UMMMM... WHOA !!!! posted by JOEL on 2/28/2001 at 5:23:57 AM
Holy Cow...Talk about MUSCLE BIKES !!! Yikes.

MISC:   Columbia 5 speed posted by: Joe on 2/19/2001 at 2:47:35 PM
I have an early 70's Columbia 5 speed I would like info on. It has a BMX stlye frame with big handle bars and a banana seat that has been replaced but the original banana seat had a mid size sissy bar on it. The frame is gold and there are fenders on the front and rear , the chain guard is missing. It has a shifter with numbers located at the top in a small window , which is located where chopper and stingray shifters are on the frame. I have never seen this bike in any pictures on the net or anywhere else . If anyone has any knowledge of this bike could you post here , thanks , joe

   RE:MISC:   Columbia 5 speed posted by Fred on 2/23/2001 at 8:05:36 PM
It's called a Columbia Playbike. Late 60's.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Columbia 5 speed posted by Scott on 2/24/2001 at 11:39:51 AM
Not nec. true. I have a 1965 coaster brake model that is called a "Play Boy". It has the extended "ape hangers" type bars whiich are two-piece right down to the forks, and are mounted w/a forward extension on the tube. The bike is gold, and has a white troxel (sp?) deepr ribbed seat. The bike is all original except for the tires. The rims are set up for a 2x2.125 rear and a 1.3/4 front, 20 inchers on both.

   RE:MISC:   Columbia 5 speed posted by Joe on 2/25/2001 at 12:22:27 PM
Thanks guys for your replies , I wish I could get a pic up but I haven't the means of doing so. It does have a tubular frame and the shifter sits in between two smaller frame tubes which extend from the neck, the bottom tube is larger and only one that goes to the main seat tube. Its a very cool bike and I would like to clean it up and make it road worthy. It does have the big ape hangers bars which you are talking about. It also has a slick on the back . It was a very hard bike to ride as a kid cause the frame was so long.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Sting-Ray Lowrider posted by: Georgia on 2/19/2001 at 2:22:15 PM
I bought a schwinn sting ray lowrider serial # BG at a sale. I can't find another one like it anywhere. Can anyone help? Does this bike actually exist? I'm starting to wonder if someone put there own bike together with different parts.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Sting-Ray Lowrider posted by mike on 2/19/2001 at 3:08:01 PM
Your stingray lowrider was made from a "BD" Feb. 71 frame, these usually are one of a kind conversions and thats seems to be what you have.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Sting-Ray Lowrider posted by JOE on 2/19/2001 at 3:11:38 PM
You should have bought a Huffy.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Sting-Ray Lowrider posted by Georgia on 2/20/2001 at 7:59:10 AM
Thanks for your help mike! Not sure how to take your response Joe. I have another question. Is there any resale value to this bike' or do I just let my 5 year old have fun with it?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Sting-Ray Lowrider posted by All Bikes on 2/20/2001 at 6:21:14 PM
It would probably depend on how chopped or modified the bike is from original shape...tank welded up, or non-original paint, parts etc...don't let other's sarcasm keep you from enjoying your bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Sting-Ray Lowrider posted by mike on 2/20/2001 at 7:17:33 PM
Georgia, you could always "test the waters" and try to sell your lowrider here or on EBAY, Just set a fair reserve and see what happens, or if you like the bike just ride it and enjoy... Joe happens to be my knucklehead brother, he likes Huffys, I think He fell on His head while riding his Huf...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Sting-Ray Lowrider posted by Georgia on 2/20/2001 at 9:48:46 PM
Thanks again for the replys and help! Maybe I'll try ebay and see what happens. If it doesn't sell I guess my 5 year old gets a great looking bike!

MISC:   Some general notes..... posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 2/19/2001 at 7:57:13 AM
1) We're working on a new section of our web site which will show step-by-step restorations and refurbs of various old bicycles. The first bicycle we're taking the time to document is the refurb of a 1930s Columbia-built Sterling. It's a sweet old ballooner and it needs help, but does not require a full restoration. We will keep all documented restoration and refurb projects on our site and plan to build up a good base of restoration photos, procedures and information as time goes on.

2) We've got a big update to our 'Bicycles and Parts For Sale' page coming soon. We've bought more Brit and American Musclebike, Ballooner and Roadster parts and are in the process of taking pictures and writing descriptions.

3) We've had a number of complaints about the inappropriate banter and anonymous backbiting that seems to be seeping into our site's Discussion Areas. Some people feel it is the result of the closing of the Schwinn.com forums. We will remove those postings as we find them and will record the IP information associated with each message. We've had several offers from internet security geeks who would love to "triangulate" the IP information, identify the posters, and submit them for prosecution under the new "DOS" (Denial Of Service) laws. I personal believe you all can police yourselves and those measures are not necessary. We will never implement any type of password/login system, and we will always allow people to post messages and questions without requiring a valid email address or anything else. I strongly believe 99 percent of the readers and writers here enjoy the free flowing exchange of information and are not too concerned when a discussion goes slightly off topic. In the end, we're all 2-wheeled enthusiasts with a broad range of other interests, too. Just try to keep the language at a 'PG-rated' level, keep it vintage bicycle related, and don't cowardly bash someone without using your true email address.

And in the meantime, please let us know when you see those inappropriate postings, and please bear with us while those people find somewhere else to get their kicks.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles

MISC:   Dale Earnhart posted by: Michael on 2/19/2001 at 7:42:40 AM
I know this does not have any thing to do about bike but Dale Earnhart died yesterday on the Last Lap ,He was one of the greatest men alive if not the greastest

Rest in Peace ''Dale Earnhart''

FOR SALE:   Disney's "The Kid" movie prop bike posted by: Robert (schwinnut) on 2/18/2001 at 8:14:00 PM
Well my fellow collectors, if your into hollywood collectables, here's one that could spark a little interest. If you remember the movie "The Kid" with Bruce Willis, perhaps you may remember that little 'ol sting-ray that was shown ridden in it as well. Just so happens that of the three bikes used in the movie, twoof them are on Disney/ebay auctions, and up for grabs at $ 300.00 each. I know they are not worth the money as far as the collectabiliy of the bike goes...but it would be kinda cool to show your buddies now and again. I am tapped out of cash, otherwise I woulda picked one up. But that being the case I am passing it on to whomever is interested. Let me know if anyone scores okay. The item number is 558381545.


WANTED:   WTB Krate Disc Brake Part - 15009, Brake Actuator Repair Kit posted by: Matt on 2/18/2001 at 7:16:55 PM
I really only need the retaining screw and spring and could use a new set of bushings as well.

AGE / VALUE:   HOW TO LETTER TIRES? posted by: chris s on 2/18/2001 at 3:22:12 PM
what kind of stuff is needed for lettering tires&putting a strip on it too?

MISC:   Hold onto your seats posted by: Robert (schwinnut) on 2/18/2001 at 1:34:31 PM
If you need a little laughter in your day, check out this rare 1960 custom bicycle on ebay (1113511532). Also note interesting starting price :)


   RE:MISC:   Hold onto your seats posted by tom on 2/18/2001 at 3:38:45 PM
Yes,Robert that one is in prime condition,but checking the starting bid, the decimal point was about three or four spaces off target. Just remember if You buy it, cheques will be held until converted into canadian $$.tom.

WANTED:   WANTED muscle bikes 20x16 posted by: John on 2/17/2001 at 12:43:51 PM
I have been looking for a long time for several muscle bikes . I hope someone can help with the whereabouts of these bikes for sale. ROLLFAST TOP DRAG 200 OR 600, hUFFYSLINGSHOT 1969/70 VERSION . sEARS GREMLIN, jc pennys or any other bikes that are 20x16