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Archived: Musclebikes (Sting-Rays, Krates, Choppers, etc.)

AGE / VALUE:   schwinn hurricane 5 posted by: sean on 6/14/2001 at 4:34:55 AM
This bike is in pretty good condition, few scratches here and there nothing major. Everything on this bike is original right down to the break pads. it seems like this bike is not very collectable. Is it worth hanging on to, or is this a good one to customize? any info or ideas would be great

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn hurricane 5 posted by Ed on 6/15/2001 at 6:35:24 AM
Tried selling one I had before, very hard to do unless in mint condition. Then you can probably get $150. I saw one guy transform one into a Grey Ghost Krate. It isn't that hard to do. He sold his on Ebay for about $600. That would be the value of the parts you would need to get to transform it.

   Tornado 50's ? posted by luis on 6/15/2001 at 8:13:29 PM
i've got a 50's scwinn tornado, i think it has straight bars and the seriakl is h042698
can someone tell me which year it is? thanks

AGE / VALUE:   old sting-ray "lil chik" posted by: chris on 6/14/2001 at 12:06:09 AM
i have a old sting-ray "lil chik". it is in fair condition with origional pink paint and flower seat. i want to find out the year and how much $ they run for.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old sting-ray posted by Cal on 6/14/2001 at 5:05:08 AM
You can tell the year by using the bike's serial number and looking it up on the serail number charts on this site.

It's value could be anywhere from $25 to $200. You need to provide a lot more information:
Original paint? How is the chrome? DOes the seat have any rips? Are the tires original? etc etc
Even with that information, it will still be tough to say without seeing a picture of it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old sting-ray posted by Bob on 6/14/2001 at 2:57:12 PM
Cal has been sniffing airplane glue. NO "LIL CHIK" except for MAYBE NEW IN THE BOX AND OLD (60s) is worth $200.00. They typically go for $45 up to $100 on ebay, depending on condition and age. Cal is correct in saying that without a picture, it will be nearly impossible to appraise properly. Here's a thought... Clean it up, find a nice, deserving young lady in your town who has no bike, and give it to her.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old sting-ray posted by BillG on 6/18/2001 at 7:05:29 AM
Hey, the Lil Chik on Seinfeld sold for almost $300!

AGE / VALUE:   Need help identifying this brake... posted by: GS on 6/13/2001 at 9:36:05 AM
Need Help....
Can anybody tell me what kind of brake this is?
Sorry for the poor pictures.
Any help will be appreciated. Thanks


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need help identifying this brake... posted by Neil on 6/14/2001 at 5:18:29 PM
You may have possibly a 52 or 50's something Schwinn DX look similar. If it is the wheels would be correct for the bike.

FOR SALE:   NOS Sturmey Archer Sportshift 3 (resembles Sting Ray / Krate Shifter) posted by: Jim on 6/13/2001 at 6:46:26 AM
NOS Sportshif 3 listed on ebay (by me) item # 1155041967 I also have an NOS Schwinn banana seat w / flowers for a girls bike and an NOS Schwinn axle mount sissy bar still in the bag, that I will post on my Old Roads reader's web page in the next day or two.

AGE / VALUE:   Have I got a Stingray? posted by: Blaine on 6/12/2001 at 8:30:15 AM
Last weekend I acquired some bits and pieces of what I believe to be a stingray. I have the frame and the crank and all the guts. The frame is devoid of the schwinn badge, but the crank bearings have "schwinn" stamped in them, and the frame is the same shape as a stingray. I found the serial number on the bottom of the frame where the crank goes. It is G406381, which according to the information on this site makes it a July '64 bike. It is missing the seat, and I don't think the wheels I got with it are correct, as they are painted white, rather than chrome. Is there anything else I can check to get a positive ID? Did any other bike manufacturer make a bike the same shape as a stingray, that used the same serial number format, and that could have used the schwinn bearings interchangeably?

Please e-mail me at blaines@strata.com, since I won't be able to check back here for a few weeks.



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Have I got a Stingray? posted by chris.d on 6/13/2001 at 4:27:04 PM
i don't think it's a schwinn.schwinn was the only one who made the"stingray"all others are copy cats schwinn did't put ser# by the crank send me a pic maybe i can help u ....

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Garrett on 6/11/2001 at 7:20:43 PM
Hi, I have a Skipper Schwinn i was just wondering Age/value.

AGE / VALUE:   Columbia bike The Dilly posted by: Bill on 6/11/2001 at 2:52:26 PM
We have recently acquired a bike called a Columbia Playbike called The Dilly. The serial #is S356658. We would like to know if anyone has any information or pictures of The Dilly. The bike is in very good condition. The bike is a 3-speed, has a wild flower seat and multi colored grips. The bike is green. It has shock tubes on the sissy bar and springs under the banana seat. It has a 16in.wheel on the front with a drum brake.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Columbia bike The Dilly posted by Conrad on 6/11/2001 at 5:11:04 PM
The Dilly was made in 1969 & is very uncommon. From your description, the bike you have sounds like it is all original.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Columbia bike The Dilly posted by Russell on 6/18/2001 at 7:05:44 AM
Check this link to a picture of a Columbia Dilly 3 speed. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/3808/69Col_Dilly.jpg

MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by: Andy on 6/10/2001 at 4:01:52 PM
Does anyone know what early Stingrays had 28 spoke s-2 rear wheels and which one's had the 36 spoke wheel? what year's were they used ?

   RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by chris.d on 6/10/2001 at 5:37:15 PM
none had a 36 hole hub as far as i know

   RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by Neil on 6/10/2001 at 6:03:20 PM
I believe the 63 and the 64 did

   RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by neil on 6/10/2001 at 6:07:59 PM
Sorry about that the 63 and 64 had 36 spokes, and then they went to a 28 in 65.

   RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by TIM on 6/11/2001 at 2:53:39 PM
Since I have 6 original '64 Sting-Rays, I'll go out on a limb here. 36 hole hubs with center stamped S-2 was used for all 63 1/2 'rays and 64 'rays up till ABOUT July/August. I have three 64s dated April, April, & June (all 36 hole) and three 64s dated August, August, & September with 28 hole.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by Good Lord! on 6/11/2001 at 11:24:23 PM
Is Chris D the most ignorant Sting-Ray collector on the planet or what? He never gets one right, even by accident! Chris, please man, give up giving advice and opinions! It's getting embarrassing.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by Cal on 6/14/2001 at 5:06:25 AM
Hey, he's just giving his opinion. And he does get it right most of the time. No one is an expert.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by thank~s on 6/14/2001 at 1:56:49 PM

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by Good Lord! on 6/14/2001 at 4:22:17 PM
In fact there ARE folks out there that could be considered experts in the field of Sting-Rays. Capt Krate certainly is. John Cellini certainly is. And the guy above who gave a good, solid, informed answer seems to have pretty good info too.
As for Chris, the point is this: if he doesn't KNOW, why does he insist on wild guesses? if someone asks a question they are looking for the RIGHT answer. If you're not sure, or don't know, DON'T GUESS. That's not what the questioner is looking for, and if he goes with your "guess" he may actually mess up a bike that is already correct. And Chris is a laughing stock.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by Good Lord! on 6/14/2001 at 4:46:04 PM
and re-read the original question. it clearly says "Does anyone KNOW..." it doesn't say give me your opinion.

   RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by Andy on 6/16/2001 at 11:39:15 AM
Thanks for the feedback, it looks like my Sept. '63 should have the 36 spoke s-2. Didn't want to start a debate on posting answers, but this is a way we all learn what the facts are. Thanks to all, Andy-

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by no email on 6/17/2001 at 12:59:46 PM
Good Lord why do hid why not come out and tell us who u are....sounds like your the Heathen!!!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Stingray wheel posted by The Thanks wasn~t on 6/17/2001 at 6:06:14 PM
Anything you said "Good Lord"

AGE / VALUE:   Ross Apollo 5-speed, black posted by: Fred on 6/10/2001 at 1:32:44 PM
Any idea what a black Ross Apollo 5-speed, with dual handbrakes is worth? I think it's around a 1972-74 in good to very good condition. Bike looks totally original. Picked it up at a grage sale from the original owner!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ross Apollo 5-speed, black posted by Fred on 6/10/2001 at 1:40:31 PM
A friend just saw the bike and thinks that it's a 1969...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ross Apollo 5-speed, black posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 6/11/2001 at 5:12:02 PM
Mine was a Brown one with the Shimano 3 speed hub and my pal had a Orange one with the 5 speed deraileur.
This is a special bike to me and one of these days I will find a Brown one and add it to my collection. You don't see very many of these today. Put it up on E- bay and see what happens.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ross Apollo 5-speed, black posted by Fred on 6/12/2001 at 8:11:25 PM
Check out eBay now........ there's a Ross Apollo on there now, 3-speed, that is either a burgandy or a brown. Bad color shots and developing do not give accurate color, so email the person to tell for sure.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ross Apollo 5-speed, black posted by Gary M on 6/12/2001 at 9:24:49 PM
My son has a Ross Apollo Racer in all origianl condition. he wanted a cool bike, so i took him over to my collector buddies place {museum is more like it} gave him some cash and let him go. after about an hour of haggling Mike got his racer for $50. its Red, unknown year, has redline tires, stock seat, bars and grips. its his hotrod, but he has offered to sell it for $200, to customers in my shop.
not bad for a 9 yr old.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ross Apollo 5-speed, black posted by Ed on 6/15/2001 at 3:00:10 PM
Saw one with WRL tires all black with the frame mounted shifter sell on Ebay several months ago for $550. Remember that was a while back. The one offered was in near mint condition. Condition is everything. His had a tall sissybar. Looked very cool. I know without the frame mounted shifter the value is less than half of what it is for a frame mounted shifter model. I paid close to $300 for mine which is all black with NOS WRL tires.

MISC:   mattel bicycle with cantilever frame/shocks posted by: david scott on 6/7/2001 at 4:53:54 AM
looking for any info on this mattel bike, it is a $5 find. moto style forks, cantilever frame, pivot at head tube, and dual shocks in rear, weighs a ton, 16" wheels. help

MISC:   5-speed StingRay conversion and parts posted by: Mike Ferrell on 6/6/2001 at 9:21:49 AM
Hello - I have a StingRay that is in pretty good shape. I got it at a garage sale for $25 and enjoy riding it around the neighborhood. It looks like the one I had when I was a kid. But, the gears are too high - it evidently was a 5-speed (it says so on the chainguard) but now has a coaster brake on the back. The front sprocket is that for the 5-speed and is too big, resulting in gearing too high for wheelies and hill climbing. So, I either need to turn it back into a 5-speed, or else find a smaller front sprocket. Any ideas on this = Thanks!

   Tons of Huffy 5sp 20 in stuff!! posted by Gary M on 6/6/2001 at 4:53:41 PM
go get a 5sp rear wheel, and derailler from a yard sale huffy, toss it on, and ride it until you get the right parts
no sense putting single speed stuff on a 5 speed frame, they are special frames, and most people wont know the diff. especially if you snarf a derailler off a Schwinn Conti, varsity or Collegiate.

   RE:MISC:   5-speed StingRay conversion and parts posted by sam on 6/6/2001 at 5:16:15 PM
You can get the inside mag style sprocket from a schwinn 10 speed(sprint ?)they were used on schwinn early BMX as they are 44 tooth.the circle style chain gard looks kool too!

   RE: Gearing posted by JimW. on 6/7/2001 at 6:57:27 AM
Those are all good comments. This one is to do with gearing.
A larger crank sprocket gives high gearing, a smaller crank sprocket gives low gearing. Or am I confused?

MISC:   5 speeds posted by: mike d on 6/5/2001 at 11:25:39 PM
is it possible to convert a 1999 orange krate to 5 speed

   RE:MISC:   5 speeds posted by Carl on 6/6/2001 at 4:54:48 AM
I've seen this discussed here before. You can search the archives for more information, but the biggest problem is the fact that there isn't a place to attach the rear brake caliper to the frame.

   RE:MISC:   5 speeds posted by brad on 6/6/2001 at 11:40:48 AM
If you want something unique, try what I did. Use a Nexus seven speed hub with disc brake. It resolves the rear brake caliper attachment problem. The thumb shifter was mounted on the handlebar. Original Weinman brake handles & Atom wheel give it a modern/retro look. If you can't find a Atom wheel for the front, you can probably lace in a modern disc brake assembly .Spread the rear frame 1/2" to fit the hub. It's not an original,but it sure beats a coaster bike. It looks cool too.

   RE:Can we see some pictures? posted by JimW. on 6/7/2001 at 7:04:49 AM
That sounds beautiful. If you'll send us some photos, we'll
run them in http://bikerodnkustom.com

   RE:RE:Can we see some pictures? posted by brad on 6/7/2001 at 11:11:23 AM
Sure. They're on the way. Check your e-mail Jim.

   RE:RE:RE:Can we see some pictures? posted by JimW. on 6/7/2001 at 2:16:26 PM
Really Nice! See photos @ http://bikerodnkustom3.homestead.com/gallery60.html

   RE:RE:RE:RE:Can we see some pictures? posted by chris.d on 6/7/2001 at 3:23:48 PM
I made a 5 speed orange krate 1999...email me ill send u a pic....

   RE:MISC:   5 speeds posted by Derek on 6/20/2001 at 10:38:50 AM
There was a guy who was selling the rear caliper brake brackets on ebay. He custom made them. He told me all I had to was cut the rear fender bracket off and weld the caliper brake bracket on. Instant 3 or 5 speed ray.

I think I still have the guy info. if interested.


MISC:   Correct Tires for Lil' Chik posted by: jagvic on 6/5/2001 at 10:36:03 AM
What's correct for the rear tire on a '68 Lil' Chik - a 1 3/4" gripper slik or a regular westwind like for the front?

   RE:MISC:   Correct Tires for Lil' Chik posted by RM on 6/7/2001 at 4:56:10 AM
The 1 3/4" Gripper is correct for the rear

MISC:   Solo Polo info posted by: Drew on 6/5/2001 at 4:24:04 AM
Waswondering if Schwinn sold early Stingrays with only the white Solo Polo seat, or did they also use the leopard, tiger, and red seats. Were these variations added on by kids? Any information would help, Drew

   RE:MISC:   Solo Polo info posted by Dave on 6/5/2001 at 9:18:02 PM
somebody out there (john cellini maybe?) has a vintage bike shop photo that shows a lineup of 64 sting-rays with a variety of solo polos mounted up besides the white ones.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Pixie posted by: Brandon on 6/2/2001 at 9:50:36 PM
I have a Schwinn Pixie with a double top tube, blue in color, with a solo seat, and a full rear fender. Any clue as to what year it is? Does anybody make decals for this model? I would like to fix it up for my son.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Pixie posted by A friend on 6/3/2001 at 8:18:39 AM
Brandon, go to the front of the bike,see the head badge that says Schwinn, look below the badge to the left. Post the number, and somebody will be more than happy to help you.