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Archived: Musclebikes (Sting-Rays, Krates, Choppers, etc.)

AGE / VALUE:   Cissy bars for Raleigh Chopper posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/22/2002 at 3:42:45 PM
Who is making high bar cissy bars for Mark 1 Raleigh Choppers? How difficult can this be to make? Find the right thickness of tubing and bend it and make up a rectangular piece and weld it on and chrome plate the whole thing!
Or pay for a N.O.S. old one. If you can find it, good luck! What is the better way to go?
What do you do when the one you have is dented?

Looking at handlebars I see the top corners all scratched up from when people wiped out or when the bike fell over.
I remember repeatedly falling off my Ross Apollo and really destroying the handlebar's chrome until I got it right and then no problem. I evey time I fell off it I tore up the chrome plate. Long nasty scratches too.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cissy bars for Raleigh Chopper posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/27/2002 at 7:11:07 PM
I found the card for the pipe bender friend of mine. He asks "You wanna make a what?" He stubs out his cigarette and grins as I hand him the Cissy bar.
When I tell him what these bikes go for he can't believe it!

Stay tuned!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cissy bars for Raleigh Chopper posted by Catfood Rob on 2/27/2002 at 9:33:43 PM
Hay Chris... do you really want a high backrest sissybar for a Chopper?Or are you just having a go at the price of them? To find a nos one is real rare... they werent made in the numbers that Stingrays were, and were only a one or two year option,... and make the bike look soooo boss! Thats why they demand good prices. As to repros, a guy over here ( u.k,) made a batch last year in stainless... very good likeness they were too.. he sold them for around £30... a real bargain...... another dude still does mild steel repros, but they need local chrome... again, not priced outathe way. You just gotta ask over the Atlantic!!!
Raleigh Choppers are the most popular "off brander" and have dedicated collectors... I just wish I could afford a slick for mine!!!!!!!!!

WANTED:   Sears Screamer 1 seat posted by: Rob on 2/22/2002 at 9:06:18 AM
Does anyone have a sears screamer 1 seat for sale. Does anyone restore them. Ive tried ebay already.

AGE / VALUE:   garton/fox factory chopper posted by: andy gutzwiller on 2/20/2002 at 2:08:17 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   garton/fox factory chopper posted by Catfood Rob on 2/20/2002 at 10:10:50 PM
Never heard of that one myself, but wouldnt mind seeing a pic of it if you get chance.... cheers

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   garton/fox factory chopper posted by Catfood Rob on 2/27/2002 at 9:35:16 PM
Thanks for the pic....... cool bike!!!!!!!!!

WANTED:   Decals for '66 Huffy Dragster III posted by: mike on 2/19/2002 at 11:21:26 PM
Anybody know where I could find decals for the above bike?

MISC:   Roadmaster Renagades???? posted by: Robert on 2/19/2002 at 4:33:11 AM
How was it that AMF had their "musclebike" style bikes out in 1962??? This according to "Evolution of the Bicycle" edition one, pages 128 and 129. Is this correct? Did they beat good 'ol Schwinn to the punch??? Looky Looky!!! Then get back here and post.

   RE:MISC:   Roadmaster Renagades???? posted by BillG on 2/19/2002 at 2:09:39 PM
Actually it was HUFFY who first came out with the banana seat and monkey handlebar musclebike. Schwinn copied them, and Raleigh came out with the Chopper later than everyone else.

   RE:MISC:   Roadmaster Renagades???? posted by Joel on 2/19/2002 at 5:15:08 PM
I've noticed that page in the Evolution book. It could be a misprint (one of many) or not.

   RE:MISC:   Roadmaster Renagades???? posted by Mark Jensen on 2/19/2002 at 11:25:07 PM
Ten years ago, I found and re-sold one of the Huffy Penguin's from 1962. Fewer than 250 were produced, they just didn't sell, build quality was not the best, and the public was not ready for the strange looking bike (parents). Today, it's one of the rarest muscle bikes. Schwinn entered the field with serious promotion, over 1 million in advertising and production of 1600 Stingrays a week. Schwinn was highly respected in those days and mom and dad said "it's o.k. for jr." The rest is history....I wish I had that Huffy today, it's so scarce!!

   RE:MISC:   Roadmaster Renagades???? posted by Catfood Rob on 2/20/2002 at 10:16:54 PM
Huffy called theirs the Penguin????????? And thwey wonder why they lost out to the Stingray??? hmmmmm, maybe the guy in the design office was asleep that day!!
Seriously, this "before the stingray" topic has come up several times recently, whats the true score on pre-stingray musclebikes? Anyone got pics of the huffy penguin, or the A,M,F,ROADMASTER MUSCLEBIKE??? I for one would love to see them.
Raleigh may have been copycats, but they copied pretty quick with first the Rodeo, then the Fireball.... much later the famouse Chopper.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Roadmaster Renagades???? posted by Cal on 2/22/2002 at 1:48:01 PM
"AMF Roadmaster" musclebike doesn't make sense to me.
Maybe just "Roadmaster". I don't think AMF started getting into bicycles until the late 1960s.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Roadmaster Renagades???? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/22/2002 at 4:07:14 PM
the late 60's is about the time when these came onto the scene.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Roadmaster Renagades???? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/22/2002 at 4:09:15 PM
Scarce because they got heaved out when the kids out grew them.

FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Stingray posted by: Travis on 2/18/2002 at 2:00:59 PM

Bike is for sale. I'm asking $90 obo
Please feel free to ask any questions

   RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Stingray posted by Robert on 2/19/2002 at 4:03:39 AM
Saw your bike for sale. Please list the serial number to authenticate year. Thanks.


   FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Stingray posted by Travis on 2/19/2002 at 2:44:28 PM
serial # MA67959

   RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Stingray posted by Matt on 2/21/2002 at 3:02:03 PM
Went and took a look at that bike. Unfortunately it is NOT a Stingray. If you look closely, you can see that the top tube comes up higher from the cantilever tubes back by the seattube and there is no chrome fork cap, both indications that this is a 20" Typhoon.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1965 Schwinn Stingray posted by brian on 2/24/2002 at 7:35:19 AM
Very observant Matt...I was thrown off as the campus green color was not there...also, the original looking S-7 rear could be a clue as an S-2 would not fit under the original Typhoon full fenders...still it's an old frame worhty of a kool kustom.

FOR SALE:   '69 Murray Eliminator !!! posted by: R. Roedersheimer on 2/17/2002 at 7:36:12 PM
LOOK LOOK LOOK !!! There is a super rare 1969 Murray Eliminator for sale on E-bay !!! Bidding is only at $305.00 !!! Take a look,tell your friends, there are not many left like this !!!! This is the wildest '60's bike ever produced!!!I have heard of museums paying 5000+ for mint Eliminators !!

   Send me the names/addresses of any museums willing to pay that much for a mint eliminator posted by Bob on 2/19/2002 at 11:18:59 PM
Otherwise, I have serious doubts as to your claims..

MISC:   Stingray pedals - early posted by: Jake on 2/17/2002 at 12:05:43 PM
Who knows which are the correct pedals for a 1963 Stingray, the diamond profile end caps or the rounded profile end caps, or were both used?

   RE:MISC:   Stingray pedals - early posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/23/2002 at 6:01:41 PM
I need to find a picture, memorize it and then go looking for a set like in the picture. Digging and pulling and rooting around until I hold it up and can exclaim AH HA! Then I have to drag them home and get them mounted on the bike.

FOR SALE:   N.O.S. ROSS APOLLO RACER posted by: KENT on 2/16/2002 at 8:41:53 PM

AGE / VALUE:   1971 schwinn 5 speed sting ray posted by: Brian on 2/16/2002 at 7:35:08 PM
What would be the aproximate value of a 71 5 speed ray in ave. shape? Bars and stem are not original, but the rest is. I've seen the shifter sell for $200.00 with over load tube. Bike is foe sale..Thanx all..Brian

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 schwinn 5 speed sting ray posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/17/2002 at 9:09:32 PM
Are you referring to the thumb shifter? or the top bar stick shift? The thumb shifter was later like 1976 or so. They stoped the stick shifters and went to 5 speed thumb shifters.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 schwinn 5 speed sting ray posted by Brian on 2/18/2002 at 8:16:54 PM
It is the top tube double bend barrel shifter. Shifts perfect. Bike still has the original bike shop sticker on seat tube Aviation Cyclery in Manhatton Beach. Has S2 S7 wheels, front tire is original schwinn Westwind. Only thing not factory is the stem and bars. Bars are old schwinn, but they are very wide.

WANTED:   Three wheel muscle bike wanted posted by: Mr_Therapy on 2/16/2002 at 3:55:53 PM
I am looking for a three wheel bike -- a nice custom one, i would prefer gears on it but i am open to anyone interested inselling
if u have something or parts let me know


AGE / VALUE:   Firestone 500? posted by: Dave Mika on 2/16/2002 at 6:28:40 AM

I found a firestone five speed bike that is in pretty good shape, but is missing a few things like the shifter knob(s) and the chain guard. It still has the firestone super sport slik on the back and the seat is in great shape. Does anyone have any idea what this bike would be worth in good shape? Probably not as much as my 68 five-speed Ray, but it's probably worth more than the $10 that I paid for it.

MISC:   Early Stingray production #'s posted by: Steve A. on 2/15/2002 at 12:40:11 PM
Does anyone have the number of Stingrays produced in the early years, I've read that about 40,000 '63s were made. I'm looking for #'s on 1964-5-6-7.

AGE / VALUE:   $255.00 Chopper tire drove him over the edge! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/14/2002 at 6:33:04 PM
"Two Hundred and fifty- five dollars for a Raleigh Chopper rear redline slick??"
I'm sitting in the ward in my little wheelchair, printouts from e- bay litter the floor, turning around in circles and muttering. "Two Hundred and fifty- five dollars for a chopper tire!" One tire! Giggling and making yodeling noises. Sudden screaming that "I've collected the wrong things!" "The heck with rod brake postmans bikes! I should have gone after Choppers and Stingrays!"
My friend is asking them to hold up on my meds until he gets an answer. "Chris, Wheres the stash? Where did you hide it? Do you know where we can find more of these tires? You gotta get better and come to this place with me! I can't do it alone! I don't know what I'm looking at! Chris! "Do you have any Choper tires like this?"
White shirted attendants ask "What is a Raleigh Chopper?"

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   $255.00 Chopper tire drove him over the edge! posted by Catfood Rob on 2/14/2002 at 6:49:59 PM
Chris..... if you find enough of those tyres in your loft, let me have one cheap eh???????
Very few restored Choppers reach that sort of dosh.... boy I wish I had some too....

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   $275.00 Chopper tire drove him over the edge! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/14/2002 at 6:55:13 PM
Item #1072550813 N.O.S. Raleigh Chopper Red Line Slick and it's at $275.00 and it ain't over yet.
When they found him he was stumbling through the cycle wharehouse looking for tires. They had let him in where nobody else had ever gotten in, he hit the jackpot but all he wanted was red line tires. I was telling him about Simplex stuff and I asked Chris if he had any exact red line slick Raleigh made in Holland tires like that one on e- bay when he just snapped.
Poor fellow! Let him rest, don't tell him what this tire closes out at.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   $275.00 Chopper tire drove him over the edge! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/14/2002 at 7:02:57 PM
"He's not in any shape to talk or recieve visitors right now.Something about a new, recent shop find that he can't get to." That was his last words before he went to sleep"

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   $275.00 Chopper tire drove him over the edge! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/14/2002 at 7:27:35 PM
I have been in many shops, seen the tires with the little blue and yellow tags. I passed on them for rod brake parts. Oh the pain!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   $255.00 Chopper tire drove him over the edge! posted by Mark S. on 2/14/2002 at 10:52:57 PM
It's just the nature of the beast, last year at a Londen auction, a NOS Chopper in the box sold for $2350.00!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Now at $280.00 posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/15/2002 at 1:05:14 AM
It's at 280.00 and still time left on the clock.
I tell you that it's still out there, places untouched, unthought of. People and situations not yet ready.
Up, down back and forth, he said No, there was none left. I left that card and walked out. Every sense in me told me I wasted my time, I thought the guy wouldn't ever call. WRONG, WRONG,WRONG!!! He called, he had lied, big time. We went upstairs and he laughed at me. I have a N.O.S. R.S.W. 16 tire white, Dunlop (happens to be same size as Chopper front tire but it is white and Chopper folks don't use it.) but no Raleigh Chopper tires from that adventure. Always leave a card. Always!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  It's been re- listed posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 2/16/2002 at 7:23:27 PM
Here we go again, its been re- listed!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   $255.00 Chopper tire drove him over the edge! posted by homer j on 2/17/2002 at 12:51:23 AM
i guess 280 wasnt enough. hope it goes for 10 this time

WANTED:   early 70's Huffy Dragster posted by: Robert on 2/10/2002 at 9:06:03 PM
Single speed, K/B brake,Green paint, in 7 cond. or better. I had one as a kid, and Mom tossed it out. Thought it would be kool to show next to my Sting-Ray's. Thanks!

p.s. If you have one like this but can't seem to part with it, then could you try and send some pictures of it, as my memory has faded a bit on how it actually appeared.

   RE:WANTED:   early 70's Huffy Dragster posted by chrisb on 2/14/2002 at 9:53:00 PM
i bet i could find your huffy bit it stripped