MISC:   New concept posted by: Ryan on 5/14/2002 at 2:12:41 AM
i am looking into designing a pedal car for adults. it will be based on a new 3 wheeled recumberent with front wheel steering and rear wheel drive. i am planning to make a fibreglass flaring kit in the style of a vintage car. any feedback on the flaring and 'big boys pedal car' concept would be much apreciated!

MISC:   chopper posted by: david on 5/13/2002 at 9:28:34 PM
check out my chopper, i have added a sissy bar and better seat since the picture

   RE:MISC:   chopper posted by Stacey on 5/13/2002 at 10:40:55 PM
Cool bike Dave! Love the paint job and springer fork. But I have grave concerns for the handling... that fork geometery is scary! Does the front wheel 'sweep' as you turn the bars?

   RE:RE:MISC:   chopper posted by david on 5/14/2002 at 12:33:25 AM
yeah it takes pratice to ride ,my dad is 67 and it takes him a whole street to ride it.
springer really works

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   chopper posted by Jimmy on 5/14/2002 at 2:03:15 AM
pretty cool

   RE:MISC:   chopper posted by jon on 7/13/2002 at 11:48:45 PM

MISC:   MY HOMEBUILT CUSTOM CHOPPER posted by: Mario Romano on 5/13/2002 at 2:42:43 PM
Hello Pals,

I want to tell yours about my homebuilt chopper bike. I started at an Caloi Cruiser frame (brazilian brand), dismounted the old original two tube fork and rebuilt it using sewed steel tubes with one meter lenght! I painted my bike on solid yellow, put 20" light aluminum blue anodized rim with whitewall tires at front and 26" equally aluminum rim and whitewall tires at rear. It have green dice as valvecaps (lowrider style) and reinforced chromed spokes. Banana seat was too used at my project.

Mario Romano
Itajuba, Brazil

FOR SALE:   How about a Schwin Fastback frame & fork project posted by: Ray on 5/12/2002 at 3:57:48 PM
Here is an original Schwin Fastback that needs some help but can be a diamond in the rough.


FOR SALE:   Chopper & Unusual Sting Ray seat posted by: Ray on 5/12/2002 at 3:36:08 PM
For sale on ebay but closing soon. A neat long fork Chopper bicycle and a late Schwinn Sting Ray black tufted seat.



AGE / VALUE:   dam stingrays posted by: metlhed on 5/12/2002 at 12:52:12 PM
stupid stingrays........... why do they have to be soo collectible? I am only 13 and it was way before my time but i love the stingray! i have really wanted one for quite some time, a stingray deluxe to be exact. BUT, every one on ebay is selling for between 2 and 3 hundred bucks.... ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A STINGRAY THAT IS IN GOOD CONDITION AND IS WILLING TO PART WITH IT I WILL BUY IT FOR A REASONABLE PRICE! just take into consideration, that i am only 13 and i aint got a lot of money.......

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   dam stingrays posted by Jimmy on 5/12/2002 at 2:45:50 PM
I agree, I was born way after the end of production of any type of bike like a sting ray, all tho my dad worked at Sears during the 50's 60's and 70's and bought me and my brother each a Screamer, we wanted the Sting ray way more, but today me and my brother are glad we decided to keep the screamers and not part them out to other bikes. My brother is especially glad because he got the first one sears had , which sears at the time said was one of the first sears to sell a screamer, so my brother has the one pretty close to number one. We dont ride these anyomore today and thankfully we didnt ride them back then,good luck on finding a Stingray Deluxe!!

Go there to sign my guestbook!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   dam stingrays posted by Russell on 5/14/2002 at 4:28:32 AM
You should look for a Stingray Jr. frame or bike. They cost less to buy and they are approximately the same size as the original frame from 1963-64.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What's the TRUTH Jimmy? posted by Vindicator on 5/14/2002 at 10:23:45 PM
In a post on the Lowrider board you state you're 42 (see quote below). Now you state you were born long after the production of the muscle bike ceased. The Truth Is Out There! What is it?
RE:RE:LOWRIDERS: Display Stand posted by Jimmy on 5/9/2002 at 9:22:36 PM
Due to the highly regarded and retard replys you have posted, you wont see me around anymore.I hope you have a slowwwwwwwwwwww, very painnfull death, I hope you get stuck in the back with a pitch fork, and fall off a bridge. Then set on fire and slaped, because thats what you are.bye.And oh yeah I am 42
Personally, I think you're a 13 year old troll!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   dam stingrays posted by Erin on 6/25/2002 at 1:38:28 PM
personaly I think you are looking in the wrong place... try garage sales. I got a green slik chik 1970 perfect condition at a garage sale for 25 bucks.
ps im only 12 and I think its rude to make fun of people...we have money too

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   dam stingrays posted by erin on 6/25/2002 at 2:04:32 PM
and another thing to the old but proud... (you should rember this one) R-E-S-P-E-C-T Oh I forgot back then you were too wraped up in thinking of disses for people less than half the age of you. Oh yea 45 my butt you act like a 10 year old. just answer my question if someone aged 45 is not going to be the adult... who is?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   dam stingrays posted by erin on 6/25/2002 at 2:12:34 PM
sorry 42 but that makes no diffrence

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   dam stingrays posted by erin on 6/25/2002 at 2:13:20 PM
sorry 42 but that makes no diffrence

AGE / VALUE:   64 stingray posted by: dave on 5/12/2002 at 2:27:52 AM
Hey you guys put some of that energy into finding me a good used 20x1 3/4 westwind white wall tire for my 64 stingray deluxe s7 front wheel ok thanks

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by: Jimmy on 5/11/2002 at 6:37:13 PM
Hello, is a Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel with a GOOD YEAR GRASSHOPPER slick on it with the two stripes that run down the tread worth any thing?They chrome is alright and the tire has no dry rot or cracking. I want to put it on my bike, but I would like to know the value first.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/11/2002 at 6:56:50 PM
The s- 2 rim is worth having . Sting Ray collectors would want that. Value? I dunno. Perhaps $50.00 tops. Check e- bay. Type in Schwinn Sting Ray and look at every completed and /or current auction until you see somebody offering your rim. The Grasshopper tires don't sell very well, perhaps 10- 50.00 per tire. Jimmy. You are doing well. This place is yeilding good things keep looking. Has the rim dent's or bad chrome. How are the sidewalls of the rim where the braking surface is? Any dents or evidence of curb kissing? That about destroys value in a wheel rim.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by Chris on 5/11/2002 at 7:24:46 PM
An S- 7 front wheel sold for 28.00 S- 2? keep looking.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by Jimmy on 5/11/2002 at 9:46:33 PM
No sign of curb kissing, and the slick looks like new, no dry rot or bulges like the ones you usually see on ebay. There is some light peppering but that should come off easily, and the spokes are all strait. It even has the original rim strip. I was wondering if the grasshopper slick with the two lines on the tread is rare, or is it normal on all slicks, someone earlier brought up the two line slick rarity.The guts are taken out, so I can clean them up, it has a BENDIX brake on it, does that mean anything? It came off a 1967 Schwinn Stingray, which is now a lowrider, the guy also gave me a red headbage, is this the bicentineil one? And he gave me the original handlebars with HuntWilde grips. He didnt have the original front tire so I let him keep it. The seat was all torn so I recovered it and put it on my lowrider.Well thats about it, please answer some of my questions.

***JIMMY*** www.lowriderbicycleonline.homepad.com

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by Jimmy on 5/11/2002 at 9:53:20 PM
I searched ebay for s-2 and came up with this, this is the EXACT single knurl rim that I have, the tire is different but the rim and hub are exactly the same, go look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2100876983

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by Jimmy on 5/11/2002 at 10:02:05 PM
It is a red band BENDIX, does this add to value or not?

   Now see Jimmy you went and stepped in it! posted by no artist you on 5/11/2002 at 11:09:59 PM
what a bs artist! you dont know enough about stuff to get away with the bull you toss. you see the s-2 wheel you claim to have gotten doesnt exist in the configuration you describe. the single knurl s-2 was manufactured and used by schwinn in 1971 only. and by 1971 the good old red band bendix coaster hub had been retired. schwinn used a nice new silvery bendix hub with no colored bands on it. the wheel you so kindly point out on ebay is the correct set up. do you see a red band hub on it? no. go pick some corn and wait for the next tornado to sweep thru your park. and the grasshopper slick btw is junk.

   RE:Now see Jimmy you went and stepped in it! posted by Jimmy on 5/12/2002 at 1:05:37 AM
right, this has a single knurl hub with a single red band BENDIX axle casing. It is 20" and came directly off a 1967 schwinn stingray, original, I DONT KNOW.It could have been added later on!!!And the old guy I got it from could have replaced the no-colored casing with a red one, after all he does build wheels for a living! So maybe you should shut your fu(king mouth BEFORE I blast you???HUH??Would you like that? And thanks for the replys all, this one guy above me, he dosnt know jack $h/t, so just IGNORE him!! bye.And ohh yeah, just because you dont have a little old grasshopper tire, dosnt mean you have to be disen on it!!bye

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by Johnny Sting-Ray on 5/13/2002 at 4:45:27 PM
jimmy's running a load of bull. red single band hubs were standard on all sting-rays from the very start '63 1/2, through the '60s. they are a dime a dozen. we can post the parts manuals if you'd like jimmy. also, goodyear grasshoppers were never standard equipment on sting-rays. they were used on offbrand muscle bikes and as replacement tires in alot of bike shops.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/13/2002 at 8:24:24 PM
I am blown away with the amount of info you have uncovered!
Well, well done. You have proven that you are all right! Keep up the great work!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/13/2002 at 8:24:55 PM
I am blown away with the amount of info you have uncovered!
Well, well done. You have proven that you are all right! Keep up the great work!

   RE:RE:Now see Jimmy you went and stepped in it! posted by rare? on 5/12/2002 at 2:57:19 AM
put your rare goodyear grasshopper slick on Ebay with a starting price of 99 cents and no reserve. see how many bids you get! you asked if their rare. we answered. no their not. their not worth much of anything either. schwinn never used them on their bikes. aftermarket and offbrand bikes only. THEY ARE JUNK. NO DISSING.

   RE:RE:RE:Jimmy is learning, just like we all are posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/12/2002 at 6:07:07 PM
The Grasshopper tires are looked down upon and don't sell well. People slap 50.00 on them and wait and wait and wait and they don't sell. You want Origonal tires in primo shape or else the tire is worth $8.00 and then only to use and not show. You get the book tossed at you if somebody sees it's diffrent than what it should look like new. That's the way it is but some are nastier than others. Schwinn never used these colored grasshoppers on their bikes.
Now with e- bay he's likely right about the Grasshopper. Keep it, use it and move on looking for origonal slicks.
The hubs seemed to vary between years some with single red bands some with smooth chrome there were kickback hubs with 2 0r 3 yellow and red bands and blue bands too. Look for those, they're worth more.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/12/2002 at 6:14:33 PM
These single band hubs are not worth much. It means it goes to a specific few years or year bike. Pick them up but it's not anything to get excited about. Keep looking and report what you find.
You will hit the vein of gold running thru this place sooner or later.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by Jimmy on 5/13/2002 at 9:11:07 PM
There is no such thing as an "OFF" brand, it is the name of their company, so what makes it an off brand?I am amazed how some people are

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by Jimmy on 5/12/2002 at 10:17:55 PM
i know this is worth more than you guys say, the tire is not colored, and the hub however, happens to be the only one they make, it seems the triple band ones were put on all kinds of bikes, but the single band red band was only on the 1967 schwinn stingray, the 1st anniversary of stinray,1 band = first year. after contacting the schwinn heritage department, they specifically told me that this one would bring greater value because it was not only the only year made, but it was the only color of that year, and the blue,yellow,and red triple bands, were for all years excluding 1967, and the two bands were for the second aniversary, and three was the most because production of deisign couldnt fit four rings on one hub, so they only went to four. Finding all this information wasnt easy, espacially when talking on the phone for an hour just to get this tab of informaton so I could prove.After researching the goodyear grasshopper slick, and contaction the goodyear company, they explained that they only made a mass production in 1965 and used every slick they had up to the year 1967, when they ran out, with a total of 157,983 grasshopper slicks put on bikes, goodyear said that I had one of the last tires made in 1965. they said that the March 1967 schwinn stingray in flamboyant red, with single band red bendix hub, grasshopper slick, s-2 wheel,and rare sphinx sprocket, not mag, is the rarest of the rare, rarer than any krate, except the first bike made by schwinn in 1886.Now that I have proven my expertise, any one want to argue?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by WE ALL BOW DOWN BEFORE YOU! on 5/13/2002 at 11:19:43 PM
your absolutely right jimmy. you have found the rarest rim/hub/tire in the musclebike world. treat it with care. id display it in a glass case, put an ad in the paper, and charge $5.00 for each look. dont ever sell it, and tell everyone you meet what a rare example of stingray wheel you have. you will be the envy of collectors from coast to coast.

oh yeah, be sure to keep the earplugs in real tight so you cant hear everyone laughing at you!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/14/2002 at 12:05:32 AM
Off brand: An example of something being off brand is, Lets say a British Raleigh that usually has a Brooks leather seat has instead a vinal Cyclepro seat that the guy got at a Hardware store for $6.00. Now he switched the seat for whatever reason and now, the bike is no longer totally original. We would call this seat "off brand"

Or with tires. A Schwinn Sting Ray would have a tire that say's "Schwinn" on it. Or something like "Schwinn Gripper slick" or "Schwinn Typhoon Cord" Now if I go looking on the wall of the bike shop (or on the bike you are trying to sell me) and all they have are Vee Rubber or Chaing- Shin than I can say that the bike shop owner dude only has aftermarket or off brand tires. However nice they may or may not be they are still "off brand" Off Brand can also mean a smaller, or less well known or less popular company. Schwinn was KING and so much of the rest is regarded as off brand. My pals Wards Hawthorn is considered off brand next to a Raleigh Chopper or Sting Ray. Schwinn being "king" in the states Raleigh being the "king" in England. Goodyear is not off brand, a huge and respected company but if the bicycle did not come new with exactly this tire tha it is off brand.

It is picky and quirky and strange business. One fellow, Leon can walk up your driveway and tell you everything that wasn't right about the bike before he even got up to it.
Now, thats knowing your bikes! You are to be commended about digging up this info. Keep having fun and learning. You do a good thing for everybody here when you contribute what you learn to the list here. I am interested in the production numbers and history behind the Goodyear Grasshopper tires. It makes going to the list here worthwhile.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tubular S-2 wheel posted by Chris on 5/15/2002 at 12:50:09 AM
Yes, please post the parts books if you can.
It would be extremely helpful to folks here.
I see a lot of these single red band hubs kicking about and I never was given any guidance into collecting these hubs.
Concentrate your bike time into finding new things.

MISC:   THE MAD COPIER IS BACK ON SSGG posted by: didnt take long on 5/11/2002 at 3:16:46 PM
another example of the good guys forgiving a scoundrel in their midst. here's a quiz for you: which of these company's names and materials are trademarked and copyrighted?

Schwinn OR Wham-O

   RE:MISC:   THE MAD COPIER IS BACK ON SSGG posted by not long at all on 5/11/2002 at 3:23:39 PM

Wham-O's Consumer Affairs Dept. seemed real interested when those Ebay auctions were pointed out to them. Very interested.

   RE:MISC:   THE MAD COPIER IS BACK ON SSGG posted by Catfood Rob on 5/13/2002 at 9:26:24 PM
So whats your point? I thought this was an information site for bike fans..... What are you doing clogging the site with your trashy nonsense posts?
Leave a valid e-mail, or dont leave a post............

   Attention bike fans! posted by OK? on 5/13/2002 at 10:46:22 PM
Beware of violating Schwinn's or Wham-O's trademarks and cpyrights. Both companies legal depts aggresively address quikk buck artists who pay the rent $10 at a time by selling copied materials or sell things with trademarked names on them, like tshirts, steering knobs, keychains, tire wrenches, SRCNs, etc.

BTW Catfood, Vin spent Monday morning deleting a ton of posts, and left this thread alone. Since it's his site, he must not think its a trashy nonsense post, or clogging his site. And when Vin decides everyone must use a valid email to post, he'll set it up that way. Until then, it aint for you to decide limey.

   RE:Attention bike fans! posted by Mike on 5/14/2002 at 4:10:03 AM

   RE:MISC:   THE MAD COPIER IS BACK ON SSGG posted by Catfood Rob on 5/14/2002 at 9:12:53 PM
Yeh, but at least I respect this site enough to treat it properly.........

   He NEVER LEFT, FOOL posted by Guido on 6/22/2002 at 9:42:13 PM
Sure, I suppose there are forgiven scoundrels on the ssgg, but they are know for their actions and character. Unlike you Mr. Mole you are the biggest scoundrel of them all and don`t even have the nerve to come out and BE forgiven. Pitty, a real shame you are such a stick and run COWARD !!!

AGE / VALUE:   Stinray prototype's posted by: Ed k. on 5/11/2002 at 11:16:09 AM
Is there any information on Stingray prototype's out there. Saw the post...on the Nov. 1967 Apple Krate with 'Not for sale' decals. About nine years ago, I saw a very early Stingray at a bike show with similar black & white decals, 1963? This one was Gold, had several pages of paper work with it stating that it was the property of Schwinn Bicycle Co., w/ corresponding Ser. #. It looked very much like the first Stingray's. Info?

MISC:   MasterCard posted by: Jimmy on 5/11/2002 at 1:08:23 AM


   Is THIS the junk you have in Iowa?? posted by Billy Bob~s other brother Billy on 5/11/2002 at 4:32:19 AM
no wonder it's free!


   RE:Is THIS the junk you have in Iowa?? posted by Jimmy on 5/11/2002 at 1:49:04 PM
Hey, I dont see this as junk, I see it as a nice winter project, and noy everything here is that bad.bye.

   RE:RE:MISC:   MasterCard posted by Sitting Bull on 5/11/2002 at 7:25:39 PM
Yes, very quaint.

AGE / VALUE:   Frame strength posted by: Lee on 5/10/2002 at 6:14:10 AM
I was reading about fusion welding of stingray frames being stronger than no-names. It mentioned that the fusion equipment was dismantled and lost after production was moved out of Chicago. So my question is this, are the later stingrays made down south, in the late 70s, noticably weaker?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Frame strength posted by mike on 5/10/2002 at 11:20:48 PM
Not notiably weaker, Some say overall qaulity was a bit less. All Schwinn's are stronger than almost any other brand.

AGE / VALUE:   any info to identy posted by: Jim on 5/10/2002 at 2:09:43 AM
I have a girl's stingray, it is red and says pixey on the chain guard, I can't find out much about and would like any help Please

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   any info to identy posted by Cal on 5/10/2002 at 12:55:18 PM
They made them for a number of years. Early ons had hard tires, later had tube tires.

FOR SALE:   12/70 apple krate for sale posted by: tom on 5/10/2002 at 1:38:41 AM
i have a mostly unrestored dec of '70 apple krate i need to sell to someone who will really dig it. 12 bikes is just too much. its 100% original except for the paint/decal on the chainguard, the ft axle and some of the NOS housing. chrome is immaculate! a sweet find to be sure. write me for complete details and pics. serious folks only please.

thanx - tom

   RE:FOR SALE:   12/70 apple krate for sale posted by Larry on 5/16/2002 at 3:41:55 PM
Hi, could you send me the pics of your bike and also what your asking for it please?

   RE:FOR SALE:   12/70 apple krate for sale posted by big aardvark on 5/20/2002 at 3:00:08 PM
i just posted a ton of close ups at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/nicerguy12/lst?.dir=/For+Sale&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/
if yer interested.


AGE / VALUE:   Huffy Bel Air posted by: Don on 5/9/2002 at 11:14:08 PM
I recently acquired a huffy bel air bike at a garage sale. I am trying to determine its age, approximate value and what to do with it. The serial number on the back frame is 31133984. Can anyone help me?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy Bel Air posted by Cal on 5/10/2002 at 12:56:50 PM
What size are the tires? That helps in identifiying the age.
I seem to remember seeing someone here with a method of determining a Huffy's age from the serial number, too.