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MISC:   WILL A 60 MPH SCHWINN APPROVED CHROME SPEEDO WORK WITH A 20" DRIVE CORRECTLY? posted by: PatriotM1 on 7/24/2004 at 8:21:11 AM
WILL A 60 MPH SCHWINN APPROVED CHROME SPEEDO WORK WITH A 20" DRIVE CORRECTLY? I bought this and didn't notice is was a 60 mph. I need this for a 20" bike. Cable length is 24-1/2".
Shouldn't it be 23"??
It came with a 26" stamped drive(that doesn't spin as I'm trying to do it by hand), all this plus washer, spacer, ties, instructions, head was in a bag with a tag, in a schwinn speedo box that says for sting-ray 20" etc.
Wrong stuff in a 20" sting-ray box, right??
I am probably going to return it, (but wanted to know if it'll register right if I got a 20" drive), to it's (innocently?) ignorant ebay seller, that first tried to say it was for a krate, but i'd heard that they use 27" cables and so he said no it's not that long, so it's for a sting-ray not a krate after all, and as I just bought a fastback, I bought it. It is all NOS.
Does anyone know the answers to my Questions, Thanks. PatriotM1

   RE:MISC:   WILL A 60 MPH SCHWINN APPROVED CHROME SPEEDO WORK WITH A 20 posted by ziggy on 7/24/2004 at 10:22:39 PM
If you can't turn the little thingy then it is jammed. It'll work. Trust me. >: )

AGE / VALUE:   Iverson "charger"???? posted by: j on 7/23/2004 at 9:36:36 PM
recently I bought an old Iverson 20" girls bike.
I bought it for parts and after I had it all apart I started noticing things that make me think it was worth something...
its purple with a nice purple metalic banana seat (why I bought it) with hi rise handle bars, 20" x 2" tires, a big chain gaurd, foot straps bolted to the pedals and what I belive to be a 3 speed hub. I rode it (only in the drive way) and noticed alot of slipping when I went to take off, almost like the chain was loose (but wasn't) and it did the same when I pedaled backwards to apply the coaster brake. could this be a 3 or more speed AUTO shift hub? and if so is it still good, or are they supposed to slip like that under hard acceleration? the chaingaurd, though quite faded reads "charger".
is this a rare bike, and should I sell it as whole, part it out, or just build something out of it? (I create bikes by welding and mixing parts up)

thanks, weststreetbikes@hotmail.com

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 7/24/2004 at 3:22:49 AM
There is no such thing as an auto shifting hub as far as I know. The internal mechanism is probably screwed and it may be trying to shift when you don't wan't it to. To shift you backpedal about a 1/4 turn like the kind of drive system on an old stingray. Is there a stick shifter?. The pads are probably worn down and that is why you have no stopping power. If you have done this before, then take the hub assembly apart and check everything inside. Worn pads are common on old bikes. The gear situation may be some other problem. Replace any old worn out parts with new ones. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by j on 7/24/2004 at 2:39:23 PM
I know I've heard of "autoshift hubs" from a couple websites, maybe they did meant "kickback" shifter???

it has a coaster brake and no shifter or cables. did these types of hubs have coaster brakes as well as being able to shift?
I dont know about taking it apart, I took apart the coaster on my stingray to grease it and ended up snapping the axle when I hit the brakes! (yet I still rode it for about 3 days before finally figuring it out...) so I'm scared of coaster brakes, let alone one that may have gears inside :)


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 7/24/2004 at 10:28:18 PM
A shifting mechanism that requires backpedaling is referred to as a kickback shifting mechanism. Have you tried backpedaling to shift? Try it. Yes most internal gear hubs have coaster brakes built in. You must of done something wrong with that coaster hub you took apart. You may have incorrectly reinstalled one of the little spacers or retainers back on incorrectly. The axle shouldn't of snapped. Unless it was EXTREMELY old. I have never heard of an axle breaking when slamming on the brakes. I bet that the bike was abused which is causing you all of your problems. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/26/2004 at 1:27:12 AM
Hmmm... are there any identifying marks on the hub? i.e. "333" (Shimano) or perhaps Sturmey-Archer? I know the Sturmey-Archer 3-speed with coaster brake worked well... but are quite the "challenge" to repair... never mind to get parts for.

As to "kickback" shifting... Though I've heard of it, I've never seen or operated one. Wondering if the kickback shifting is perhaps in conflict with the coaster braking.

As to actually snapping an axle... wow! I do know that if you get grease on brake pads it can actually cause them to lock up. I've had it happen on automobiles... a leaking wheel cylinder can be cause for quite the lockup!

Good luck!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by j on 7/27/2004 at 11:16:17 PM
I tryed shifting the rim while holding it by the axles, but it feels like the bearings are gone as its got that "bumping".. on one of the bikes I built I had a real nice set of rims from the trash and I thought the one nut was missing for the bearings and thats why it wobbled, I was racing my friends (I won :) and it started wobbling really bad, so I took the axle apart and found there was one bearing cage with no balls and nothing on the other side as well as a nice notch in the axle :)
anyway, back to the iverson, the coaster brake arm has sort of a "screen" or "latis" pattern on it, I've looked it over and theres no writing anywhere on it, but there is however a Grease port, like on a car, where you can pump in grease, its located in the center of the hub. to me that would sound like a "kickback" hub????
there are no holes in the axle for a cable either.
under easy acceleration it didn't slip but if you try to take off it did, could the bearings have anything to do with that?
also, are Iverson parts worth much? its got that fat chaingaurd of which I was thinking of using on a new bike I'm building, should I sell it or just chop it up? (it has to be lengthend slightly :)

about the stingray: I dont think I was even going fast when I busted the axle...the first time out when I hit the brakes it pedaled back at me (no free wheeling) a couple times but after a little while it seemed ok...I filled the whole inside of the hub with grease, so I guess thats what caused the problem, duh :)


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 7/28/2004 at 1:35:47 AM
When you say it "slips", what kind of slip does it feel like? Does it feel like the chain is grabbing at all? Your best bet would be to take the hub apart and check everything. Hey you have to take it apart to fix it. That "bumping" is an obvious sign that the axle cones need adjusting. There should be a rubber fitting on the ends of the hub. Remove this with a screwdriver carefully and save it. You should see a nut that has two flat sides across from each other on it. The other surfaces of the nut are rounded. With an two adjustable wrenches, tighten one side and loosen the other side. Repeat the tightening/loosening process until there is no "bumpy" feeling. You may have to perform this process in reverse or until it is just right. When you can rotate the axle with no bumps in it, you fixed that problem. When you replace the rubber seal, put a little grease on the inside of the seal before putting it on. If you have a grease gun, then pump the hub full of grease. The old grease should leak out of "weep" hole of some kind. Old grease is black and nasty looking. Fresh grease is usually a greenish brown in color. Test out the bike again with fresh grease to see if that did anything. If it still slips, then you're only choice is to take the wheel to a bike shop to have it fixed, or you gotta do it yourself. If you choose the DIY method, be sure to replace all retainers and rings correctly so you don't wreck the axle. ; ) Basically reverse the taking apart process. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by j on 8/10/2004 at 5:30:03 AM
how much upstate? :)
my mom keeps bugging me to go to mass / ct., is it on the way there?
I have decided to restore the bike and make it totaly girly, with the intention of "build it and they will come" :)
one thing is I used the backfender on my Krate project (and you pretty much cant tell, ah ha ha ha!!! but it still needs a stickshift..) so will anyone know if its got either an old ross or murry fender???? :)
the other thing is, did it come with metalic paint? its pretty worn so its hard to tell...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by wade on 7/29/2004 at 5:23:09 AM
yo.. send me a pic of ur bike.. i might be interested in some of the parts.. thehand72@yahoo.com

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 7/29/2004 at 7:20:06 PM
Don't sell it yet!!!!!!!!!!!! You havn't even tried to fix it yet!!!!! Try and fix it and kepp the bike. Those bikes are worth a good amount of $$$$! >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by wade on 7/29/2004 at 11:41:21 PM
it is hard to get money out of any girls bike.. especially if it isn't a schwinn... might as well part it out

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 7/30/2004 at 1:44:53 AM
Whatever! My advice is to try and fix the damn thing first. Then you'll have a classic piece to cruise around with. Paint it black and you're good. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by J.dude on 7/30/2004 at 6:27:50 AM
yeah, when I first rode it I thought the chain was slippin', felt just like that. when you rotate the rim it has the bumpy "OH! THE BEARINGS!!!" feel, which as far as I know is from the bearings being too tight (I can handle fixing that >:) but as to taking the hub apart like you guys are saying, that just scares me :)
I may do it though...if I find the camera I'll send some pics. I dont need to paint it black, I need a girlfriend to ride it, LOL.
actually most of the bikes I build are made from Girls frames (and uselly painted black..) there not the double tube thing though, these are sheet metaled in :) right now I'm working on a really nice Vintage Murry "bobbi III", the 3speed rim from it is going into the Krate frame I bought (the Hacked krate, who cares if its made from 5 differint bikes, one of my bikes is made from 16!) if I made a nice "bondo frame" from this girls Iverson would it increase the value??
Vintage AND even cooler :)


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 7/30/2004 at 11:34:26 PM
The bearings aren't what is too tight. The axle cones are too tight. If you added bondo, then you would just be making your own custom frame. The value wouldn't go up. It would go down because you are modifying it. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by j on 7/31/2004 at 2:57:58 PM
actually I'd have to cut out sheetmetal, weld it on and then add bondo :)
I would have thought to the custom crowd it would add value...
is there anyone in the NY area who could take a look at this wheel (for free)? I still might try fixing it myself though.....

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by JimW. on 7/31/2004 at 4:06:19 PM
I'd recommend that you not kustomize it. You might be able to get decent money from a collector looking for parts or the whole thing. The bike was designed by George Barris "King of the Kustomizers" so it does have collector value. It will increase in value, too. We have several articles on the subject in BikeRod&Kustom: http://bikerodnkustom3.homestead.com/barris.html

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 7/31/2004 at 6:09:45 PM
Bring the wheel to a well RENOUNED or WELL KNOWN bikeshop. Hey if you live in burnt hills or if you are around that area, drop by this bikeshop named CYCLE THERAPY. It sells mostly road and mountain bikes. High end ones. But there is a well equipped repair shop and we can fix it for you. By the way, I work there. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by j on 8/1/2004 at 3:14:46 AM
oh great, now I find out it is something now that I took it all apart, ugh! :) well it should go back together the same way it came apart....

I think I've heard of that place, is it on LI?


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 8/1/2004 at 4:16:23 PM
LI? What is LI? So you took it apart eh? Did you find anything? Well just be sure to replace everything back the way it came apart. And don't forget anything. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by j on 8/3/2004 at 1:15:58 AM
LI= Long Island (a part of NY, NY= New York :)
I took everything except that rim apart...
when I get my basement clean I'll check into it


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson posted by ziggy on 8/3/2004 at 10:06:31 PM
I know what Long Island is! I have never seen LI though. My whole family grew up in long island. CYCLE THERAPY is located in upstate new york. >: )

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn stingray Delux Questions? posted by: j. on 7/23/2004 at 6:34:42 PM
I have a November '66 schwinn stingray, one speed and got a bunch of questions about it.

the first is, when I got it it was rusty, I was able to salvage most of the parts of it, what I didn't and couldn't save was the original fork, neck, seat, sissy bar and rims as the rust was too bad on them. I did however get an original schwinn springer for the front and a set of 20" schwinn rims in nice shape (from a schwinn Fairlady), I have the original front tire, but my friend still has the back one, which is really fat.
all the other parts were salvageable and look good. the other thing is I changed the hideouse coppertone to yellow, and got yellow schwinn grips for it. I'm going to get the schwinn stickers and everything for it, by doing all that, did I hurt the value much?? (if I didn't say this would anyone figure it out just by looking at the bike?)

also, the chain gaurd read "stingray delux" but I can't figure out what was delux about it. its a one speed, no handbrakes, no suspention sissy bar and originlly had no springer frontend. another thing about the chaingaurd is I saw another '66 delux stingray with chrome on the gaurd, mine never had chrome, was this an option or on bikes of a differint month?

the handle bars are weird too, they look like regular bars that V out but they kink back at the grips making the balence a little funny (there Not rams horns) are these rare bars?

and the last: does anyone have a white glitter banana seat for it that would be priced reasonably?

thanks, J, weststreetbikes@hotmail.com


AGE / VALUE:   need 2 know value of sears screamer posted by: dylan on 7/22/2004 at 11:30:56 PM
Does Any one know how much a 1971 sears screamer is worth or wher i could find out if so please tell thanks.

MISC:   Adding new features to the OldRoads Discussion Areas posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 7/22/2004 at 3:45:07 PM
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AGE / VALUE:   name of color posted by: Karen on 7/21/2004 at 11:39:54 PM
HeHe! I kinda thought it was a headlight.Funny. Thank you for your time helping with the information. It is much appreciated.

AGE / VALUE:   Name of color posted by: Karen on 7/21/2004 at 7:02:19 PM
The bike does not have a shifter, it must be a one speed, there are no add ons, or take offs that I can see. I did see one on the internet that looks like it here http://www.angelfire.com/mi/antiquebikes/images/Mvc_005f.jpg, but my son's does not have the round chrome thing by the handle bars that this bike has, but this looks just like my son's only my son's looks quite good. My son's bike has a red reflector at back of seat and a clear reflector on front. The tires say Schwinn and are 20" the back says 20x2.125 wide tread and is a slick with the little rubber points still attatched. He has only used the bike about 20-25 times. I will try to post a pic in the pictures area of this site. Thanks Karen

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Name of color posted by Kurt on 7/21/2004 at 10:26:57 PM
Dear Karen,

That round chrome thing is a headlight ;-)

Sounds like it's also riding on it's original tires. You may want to warn him not to do too many burnouts with the coasterbrake, as that's a reasonably collectable tire.

I'm no expert at valuing one of these bikes, but I'd say that yours, if in mint or nearly mint shape, might go for around $250 on eBay.

And if you see that fellow again, tell him he can have it for $500. Hehe!

Take care!


AGE / VALUE:   Name of color posted by: Karen on 7/21/2004 at 1:26:19 PM
I am trying to find the name of the color for the schwinn stingray my son has. It has a yellow frame that says schwinn stingray with a country time stricker beside it. It has no rear fender because of the slick tire. It has a white glitter bananna seat, and yellow handle grips that say schwinn on them. The serial number is AK00000. It is in excellent shape, any idea on the value. A man on our street saw it and wanted to buy it and told us it wasn't worth anything over fifty dollars. Any answers? Thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Name of color posted by Kurt K. on 7/21/2004 at 4:53:15 PM
I would not know the official Schwinn name for their yellow color, but I do know a few other things about your bike that you'll like to know:

I would bet that the Country Time sticker has been added. You may want to very carefully peel it off, without damaging the paint below. If there is any residue, I would remove it with Goo Gone. Do test the Goo Gone in a place not too visible though - I am not sure if the product can remove paint or not.

If the serial number is in fact, simply, "AK00000," your bike was the first Schwinn to roll off their line in January 1974.

I can certainly tell you though, that it's worth more then $50! Depending on condition and options, it can vary from $100 to $300, or more. I would have to see the bike to make an accurate assesment. The mere fact that it may be the first frame produced in 1974 may drive the price higher, depending on the collecter.

Curiously, is the bike a single, three, or five speed?

All the best,


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Name of color posted by ziggy on 7/21/2004 at 4:58:21 PM
It sounds like a lemon peeler bike that had parts taken off of it. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Name of color posted by Niels on 8/1/2004 at 5:59:01 PM
I understand that the Country Time Stingray was a 1998 or something reproduction. Obviously not worth as much as an original Stingray. I may be wrong however... The sticker was definatly not added after production though, so don't take it off.

FOR SALE:   Vintage Girl's "Sneaker" Sting-Ray Posted On eBay posted by: Auction Bee on 7/17/2004 at 8:50:24 PM

MISC:   Sears Muscle Bike posted by: Bob on 7/14/2004 at 9:24:00 PM
Does anyone have knowledge of the Tigercat 24 from Sears.(1969-71?) It was a single speed muscle bike look alike. 24" wheel in the rear and 16" in the front - kind of a krate /chopper rip off but on a larger scale. I'm interested in finding one. thanks!

WANTED:   Building a Stingray, Need Shifter! posted by: J on 7/14/2004 at 3:29:41 PM
hey, I've got a Stingray project and I have most of what I need, except for a Shifter! does anyone have a 3 or 5 speed stick shifter they'll part with to help me out? year and condtion does not matter, I'm not afraid of some rust!
but of course the nicer the better :)

Thanks, J., weststreetbikes@hotmail.com

MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show posted by: Peter Naiman on 7/13/2004 at 12:38:39 AM
It's time to remind everybody that the Larz Anderson National Bike Show is back again this year on Sunday August 8th, with set up time at 9:00AM, and actual show time from 10:00AM to 2:00PM. For full information please check our website at www.oldroads.com/show. Thank you once more to Vin Vullo of Oldroads.com for building and hosting our website for yet another year. Our Concour will again host bikes from all eras, from Antique to Balloon to Lightweight. All bikes are welcome, even your "old soldier". Trophies plaques will be given in numerous categories as in past year, and there will be a pre-show vintage ride at 9:00AM. Either check our website or please call me at my home phone @ 617-469-4581 for more information or to register a bike or more for the show.

MISC:   I have a Scwinn Bike I want to Restore But I'm not Sure What it is or where to get parts. He posted by: Justin Altemeier on 7/11/2004 at 5:03:29 PM
I have an old scwinn bike that I want to restore. It is purple and it has a twin stick 10 speed stick shifter. It has tall handle bars and a banana seat And it is Purple metal flake in color. It also has a wide slick in back and a small tire in front. I don't necessarily want to keep it absolutely original but I want it to look close. It had little spring cartriges on the shifter cables right ahead of the stick mechanism but they have been since lost over time. I hope to hear from someone on what this bike is.

   RE:MISC:   I have a Scwinn Bike I want to Restore But I'm not Sure What it is or where to get parts. posted by ziggy on 7/12/2004 at 12:23:33 AM
That's not a schwinn. It is most likely a Raleigh brand bike. It sounds like a mix of parts. >: )

   RE:MISC:   I have a Scwinn Bike I want to Restore But I'm not Sure What it is or where to get parts. posted by Kurt on 7/17/2004 at 3:31:05 PM
Sounds like a Raleigh Chopper. Here's the place you'll want to go:


Hope this helps!

Take care,


   RE:RE:MISC: I have a Scwinn Bike I want to Restore But I'm not Sure What it is or where to get par posted by Justin Altemeier on 7/27/2004 at 3:22:51 AM
I looked at the frame and it is a schwinn frame. I would like to mainly find a set of twin stick shifter cables with spring cartridges so that I can fix the shifting part. The stick handles have a purple metallic sticker inset in each handle top surface with a 1 on one handle and a 0 on the other. Did scwinn make a ten speed version? Also I appologize it doesn't have a bananna seat it has a regular Bmx type seat on it.

AGE / VALUE:   STING - RAY FAIR LADY posted by: Kathy on 7/10/2004 at 8:29:28 PM
I would appreciate some helpful advice: I have a Sting - Ray Fair Lady and would like to date it and find out it's value. I'm not sure where to locate the serial number - all I have been able to find is a number on the front part just below the Schwinn decal. It reads: LM525007. I'm afraid this isn't the serial, because it doesn't match those found in databases for the Fair Lady. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks a bunch !

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   STING - RAY FAIR LADY posted by Bobby on 7/11/2004 at 12:27:25 AM
Nov. 1976, that is the serial number.

AGE / VALUE:   swinger one posted by: Jeff on 7/6/2004 at 12:41:06 AM
Does anyone have any info on a "swinger one" bike that was sold at JCPenny's. it is red with black stripes and has a black banana seat, white rims, and ape hangers.

please reply ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!